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[winogirl]

Jun 2, 2016 8:39:27 GMT -5 littleredfish said:

winogirl , I don't know how big your room is but I've heard of people having a hard time transitioning from co-sleeping put the crib in their room with one side rail off pushed up against their bed so you can be right beside them and work on moving farther away then put the rail back up...don't know how big your bedroom is though.

Well, I actually co-sleep with him in the nursery on the futon in there. This is an idea though to keep for the future when we try again. I think the biggest problem we have is that F doesn't self-sooth ever for anything. We can leave him to play by himself for maybe 10 minutes at a time on a good day otherwise he requires constant interaction or at least us right next to him. If he ever wakes up, even partially from sleeping he needs the boob (like 2 or 3 sucks) to settle back down. Sometimes if he is napping on me in the rocker I can just rock him a bit and he will fall back asleep if he hasn't completely woken up. He won't take a paci and while he does suck his thumb/fingers it doesn't seem to actually soothe him.  One of the things we'll talk to the pedi about next week I guess....

[fuzzylogic]

Jun 2, 2016 9:42:29 GMT -5 winogirl said:

Jun 2, 2016 8:30:51 GMT -5 fuzzylogic said:

::snip::

So - are you just trying to sleep train her to fall asleep without the nursing? Just curious what others mean by "sleep training" and trying to get a feeling for what normal (lol) is. 

Pretty much. I keep hearing these stories about babies who go to bed after a bath and a book and I don't even understand how that's possible. I don't think it is possible for us, yet. Because after her bath, she usually attacks my chest, grabbing and burying her face in my breasts. She's obviously hungry. Last night it was bath, nurse, book, nurse and she was out. Sometimes she won't even let me get a book in at all!

It would be nice if she would STTN but she wakes, obviously hungry (smacking, rooting) and wet, at least once, if not twice or three times.

[winogirl]

Jun 2, 2016 9:57:19 GMT -5 fuzzylogic said:

Jun 2, 2016 9:42:29 GMT -5 winogirl said:

So - are you just trying to sleep train her to fall asleep without the nursing? Just curious what others mean by "sleep training" and trying to get a feeling for what normal (lol) is. 

Pretty much. I keep hearing these stories about babies who go to bed after a bath and a book and I don't even understand how that's possible. I don't think it is possible for us, yet. Because after her bath, she usually attacks my chest, grabbing and burying her face in my breasts. She's obviously hungry. Last night it was bath, nurse, book, nurse and she was out. Sometimes she won't even let me get a book in at all!

It would be nice if she would STTN but she wakes, obviously hungry (smacking, rooting) and wet, at least once, if not twice or three times.

So - you have just been putting her in the crib asleep and she sleeps with a couple of wake ups? We were going to try doing that but DH wanted to have a go at the whole "drowsy but awake" stuff.
thanks for sharing

[fuzzylogic]

Jun 2, 2016 10:14:46 GMT -5 winogirl said:

Jun 2, 2016 9:57:19 GMT -5 fuzzylogic said:

Pretty much. I keep hearing these stories about babies who go to bed after a bath and a book and I don't even understand how that's possible. I don't think it is possible for us, yet. Because after her bath, she usually attacks my chest, grabbing and burying her face in my breasts. She's obviously hungry. Last night it was bath, nurse, book, nurse and she was out. Sometimes she won't even let me get a book in at all!

It would be nice if she would STTN but she wakes, obviously hungry (smacking, rooting) and wet, at least once, if not twice or three times.

So - you have just been putting her in the crib asleep and she sleeps with a couple of wake ups? We were going to try doing that but DH wanted to have a go at the whole "drowsy but awake" stuff.
thanks for sharing

Pretty much. She was doing really well at it until the end of last week. I thought maybe it was time to try drowsy/awake (I've done it successfully exactly one time...) but it just seems to upset her.

In the past, we would "butt-shush" her pretty effectively if she woke up soon after being put in the crib. It took a few times, but we went in pretty much as soon as she started to cry. I would have just stuck with that but she was fully waking up, crawling around her crib, pawing at me through the slats and making it generally impossible to get her calmed down! 

[PonyGirl]

Hi ladies! So sorry for all the bad nights.

C had an okay night. I think I'm feeding him when he really doesn't need it. he woke up at 3 and I fed him and he was back asleep in less than 5 minutes. Normally he eats for about 10 minutes. I'm so used to him waking to eat unless he's waking every hour. How do you know when they're just waking up or actually waking up to eat?

[kensie5226]

winogirl, we put her to bed asleep after nursing. Knowing she'll flip over and need some reassurance. But, she can put herself to sleep other times (naps, MOTN). It can work for only bedtime.

[kensie5226]

PonyGirl, I usually wait a little bit. E makes a lot of sleep sounds and kind of waking sounds. I usually give a few minutes. At this point her hungry cries are different than sleep fussy cries.

[flyliceandcoffee]

I'm sorry sleep training hasn't been going well for you winogirl! F sounds a lot like K, especially with the constant contact thing. Unless we're RIGHT THERE, he freaks out if you leave him alone for even 5 minutes, it's absolutely exhausting. If I'm even in the area, he only wants me too, H is chopped liver to him if he can see me. Our daughter was so much easier to sleep train than K has been I think because of this. The big win out of sleep training for us is that most nights I don't need to fully rock him to sleep before I can put him down. TBH, he still hasn't really figured out how to self soothe either, but almost 2 months later, I think he's slowly starting to figure it out. He still has bad nights where it can take him forever to either fall asleep or back to sleep because it's like time he's woken up that night, but overall the amount of time he's spending mad and crying is getting slowly less and less. The only reason I think we chose to stick with it was because I'm deathly afraid that it will be harder the older he gets because he's already starting to develop patterns and routines.

[winogirl]

Jun 2, 2016 10:35:24 GMT -5 flyliceandcoffee said:

I'm sorry sleep training hasn't been going well for you winogirl ! F sounds a lot like K, especially with the constant contact thing. Unless we're RIGHT THERE, he freaks out if you leave him alone for even 5 minutes, it's absolutely exhausting. If I'm even in the area, he only wants me too, H is chopped liver to him if he can see me. Our daughter was so much easier to sleep train than K has been I think because of this. The big win out of sleep training for us is that most nights I don't need to fully rock him to sleep before I can put him down. TBH, he still hasn't really figured out how to self soothe either, but almost 2 months later, I think he's slowly starting to figure it out. He still has bad nights where it can take him forever to either fall asleep or back to sleep because it's like time he's woken up that night, but overall the amount of time he's spending mad and crying is getting slowly less and less. The only reason I think we chose to stick with it was because I'm deathly afraid that it will be harder the older he gets because he's already starting to develop patterns and routines.

ha, yup K sounds just like F!!
I think we'll try again in a few weeks - not sure if we'll do CIO or something else. I'm getting some tips over on parenting that I'll try even while we are co-sleeping to see if I can gently nudge him toward self-soothing or putting himself to sleep.

My issue is just that I can't have him screaming at the top of his lungs for 30-45 minutes (at least!) multiple times a night and still be able to function the next day. I mean when he had colic he did sometimes get a 3-4 hour long stretch of screaming in but at least once he fell asleep (on me which had its own problems) we got to sleep with only quiet nursing wake ups. The screaming just rattles me so much that I can't even fall asleep when he finally does. 

Right now - anytime he wakes up it goes straight to screaming. If it was less intense crying or fussing or whatever I think I could handle it but the screaming just jars me sooooo much.

I too am really worried about letting him get old and more set in his ways. ugh. I guess future me will be cursing current me in a few months.

[flyliceandcoffee]

Jun 2, 2016 10:42:59 GMT -5 winogirl said:

Jun 2, 2016 10:35:24 GMT -5 flyliceandcoffee said:

I'm sorry sleep training hasn't been going well for you winogirl ! F sounds a lot like K, especially with the constant contact thing. Unless we're RIGHT THERE, he freaks out if you leave him alone for even 5 minutes, it's absolutely exhausting. If I'm even in the area, he only wants me too, H is chopped liver to him if he can see me. Our daughter was so much easier to sleep train than K has been I think because of this. The big win out of sleep training for us is that most nights I don't need to fully rock him to sleep before I can put him down. TBH, he still hasn't really figured out how to self soothe either, but almost 2 months later, I think he's slowly starting to figure it out. He still has bad nights where it can take him forever to either fall asleep or back to sleep because it's like time he's woken up that night, but overall the amount of time he's spending mad and crying is getting slowly less and less. The only reason I think we chose to stick with it was because I'm deathly afraid that it will be harder the older he gets because he's already starting to develop patterns and routines.

ha, yup K sounds just like F!!
I think we'll try again in a few weeks - not sure if we'll do CIO or something else. I'm getting some tips over on parenting that I'll try even while we are co-sleeping to see if I can gently nudge him toward self-soothing or putting himself to sleep.

My issue is just that I can't have him screaming at the top of his lungs for 30-45 minutes (at least!) multiple times a night and still be able to function the next day. I mean when he had colic he did sometimes get a 3-4 hour long stretch of screaming in but at least once he fell asleep (on me which had its own problems) we got to sleep with only quiet nursing wake ups. The screaming just rattles me so much that I can't even fall asleep when he finally does. 

Right now - anytime he wakes up it goes straight to screaming. If it was less intense crying or fussing or whatever I think I could handle it but the screaming just jars me sooooo much.

I too am really worried about letting him get old and more set in his ways. ugh. I guess future me will be cursing current me in a few months.

I totally get that. I guess I'm lucky that I can somewhat function on less sleep. And by function I mean, I'm at least be coherent, not necessarily effective or efficient haha. At the moment, we wake him up to get meds, a diaper change, and some eating time in before we go to bed so that at least gives me a few hours of deep sleep before he starts waking up more frequently. I'm sure that will change once we drop that wake up next week. I think having his white noise aquarium helps him too. If he does wake up and screams to his first interval (which is now at 15 minutes for us), I can usually go in, give him a belly rub, hold his hand for a second so he knows I didn't just leave him, and then I turn the aquarium on when I leave. Although he might scream for a few minutes after that, I'm convinced the aquarium sounds distract him long enough that he falls asleep.

Have you tried the pick-up/put-down method? I don't know if that will be an easier sleep training method for him or not, but it might make him feel better at least?

[flyliceandcoffee]

is it bad that I have no idea when father's day is this year.......

[sunfrogger88]

Today is worse than the other after shot days and I don't know why. I put her in her crib though and she's just happily sucking her feet. Hopefully sheet naps again if that's what she wants...


Aand she's out. No more snuggles for mommy I guess

[ldubhawksfan]

Jun 2, 2016 8:23:46 GMT -5 yummeecookee said:

Im an ass-hole, I forgot all my pump stuff at home! I's just angry bc I am so meticulous about getting everything ready the night before and having it all set to go in the morning. My house is about 20min away, so Im going to leave here in about an hour and make it an "early lunch". I'll just do 2 pumps today instead of my normal 3.

That is the worst. I left a set at work after I forgot one day.

[ldubhawksfan]

Jun 2, 2016 8:55:30 GMT -5 ashleymarie26 said:

I need to get my ass in gear for Father's day. I want to do the DAD photos, I need to find the scotch he wants, and I'd like to get one of the molds for the giant sphere ice cubes. And maybe a book about scotch.

Scotch scotch scotch. I love scotch.

^name that movie

Doing the DAD photos as well....and per my WTF post, it was harder than expected! Lol

Anchorman

[ldubhawksfan]

Hugs winogirl. Sorry I haven't had a chance to read the whole sleep training discussion. I'll try during my next pumping session.

[ashleymarie26]

I picked out fabrics for Ophi's baptism dress. I found these very simple, light, airy cottons and I'm so excited. One is a white on white tiny polka dot, and the other is a white on white pin stripe. I'm thinking I'll do the stripes on the bodice and the dots as the skirt. And then a very delicate little cotton lace for cap/butterfly sleeves.

I'll post pics when I finish I have a half day tomorrow so I plan to work on it then.

[PonyGirl]

Jun 2, 2016 12:18:08 GMT -5 ashleymarie26 said:

I picked out fabrics for Ophi's baptism dress. I found these very simple, light, airy cottons and I'm so excited. One is a white on white tiny polka dot, and the other is a white on white pin stripe. I'm thinking I'll do the stripes on the bodice and the dots as the skirt. And then a very delicate little cotton lace for cap/butterfly sleeves.

I'll post pics when I finish I have a half day tomorrow so I plan to work on it then.

What is the piece you've been posting on snapchat?

[ashleymarie26]

Jun 2, 2016 12:19:07 GMT -5 PonyGirl said:

Jun 2, 2016 12:18:08 GMT -5 ashleymarie26 said:

I picked out fabrics for Ophi's baptism dress. I found these very simple, light, airy cottons and I'm so excited. One is a white on white tiny polka dot, and the other is a white on white pin stripe. I'm thinking I'll do the stripes on the bodice and the dots as the skirt. And then a very delicate little cotton lace for cap/butterfly sleeves.

I'll post pics when I finish I have a half day tomorrow so I plan to work on it then.

What is the piece you've been posting on snapchat?

Oh just for fun I may have her wear that to my dad's wedding. It was kinda a practice since I'd never worked off a pattern before

[PonyGirl]

Jun 2, 2016 12:25:05 GMT -5 ashleymarie26 said:

Jun 2, 2016 12:19:07 GMT -5 PonyGirl said:

What is the piece you've been posting on snapchat?

Oh just for fun I may have her wear that to my dad's wedding. It was kinda a practice since I'd never worked off a pattern before

Well it's very cute!! Can't wait to see it done!

[melimo1315]

The shit some people say to you is remarkable sometimes.

This mom at the park asked "where I got my 2nd kid from because based on looks he's not mine." WTAF hahahaha

Both H and I are dark haired with brown eyes. My hair is as close to black as it comes and my eyes are as close to the darkest brown you can get. H has dark brown hair and hazel/brown eyes. DS1 has light brown hair but my dark eyes. All three of us get really dark in the summer even with daily SPF of 50.

DS2 has strawberry blonde hair and blue eyes. He is much fairer in complexion but has the EXACT same face as DS1. There is no way looking at them you wouldn't know they are brother except for their coloring.

I told her my in laws and my mother have light hair and eyes. She asked if he was my BIL's kid then.

Last time at that park

[ashleymarie26]

The trim is at home but these are the two fabrics I bought.

Eta: I'd love some opinions on whether I should do vertical or horizontal stripes on the bodice....

[winogirl]

ashleymarie26, I personally like the idea of vertical stripes. but i've never made clothes before. lol

melimo1315, WTAF. people say some crazy shit

[whatsit]

ashleymarie26
I'd do vertical as well
Can't wait to see how it turns out!

[winogirl]

hugs bluebird44, hope you feel better soon!

[sunfrogger88]

ashleymarie26 another vote for vertical on the bodice!

bluebird44 hugs.

melimo1315 I would have told her to mind her own f business. That's ridiculous. Even better.... I'd have said some sarcastic shit about "he just followed me home from the park one day... " and given her an "are you ducking kidding me" kind of face.

[catinatophat]

Jun 2, 2016 12:50:58 GMT -5 bluebird44 said:

Saw my doc today about PPA/PPD, and she prescribed meds. Now I'm having major anxiety about taking them. Lol. I hate the spiraling.

For me making the call to set up the appointment was what gave me the most anxiety. I understand how you are feeling but if it helps, my antidepressant helps me immensely and I am so glad that I reached out and got them (both times!). 

[PonyGirl]

ashleymarie26, vertical!

bluebird44, (HUGS)

melimo1315, WTAF. I don't care if she was trying to be funny, if you don't know that person you can't just say stuff like that! For all she knows one of your sons is adopted! UGH. Yeah, definitely wouldn't be going back to that park.

[kensie5226]

bluebird44, is it Zoloft? TAKE IT! I can't believe the peace of mind it gave me. I've dealt with anxiety issues for years and I've honestly never felt better. It's my everything.

[Deleted]

winogirl, if I didn't see an improvement I would take a break too. When we sleep trained DD it only took 3 days and she screamed less than 30 minutes and then STTN. She was a year when we did it so maybe that is the difference.

I plan to start with naps just bc L doesn't have his own room and I don't want to mess with the toddler's sleep.

[ldubhawksfan]

Jun 2, 2016 12:50:58 GMT -5 bluebird44 said:

Saw my doc today about PPA/PPD, and she prescribed meds. Now I'm having major anxiety about taking them. Lol. I hate the spiraling.

((Hugs))