Post by hummingbird125 on Dec 13, 2016 14:49:17 GMT -5
Hey katelm - no idea since I'm breastfeeding, but when he does take bottles (2 days a week), he take 4oz at a time. I want to make sure my LO gets enough, which is why I'm not cutting out all night feedings at once (even though my pediatrician said we absolutely could). I figure he might be a little bit hungrier the first few days, but will begin eating more per feeding (or nurse more often) during the day once he's used to not eating every 2 hrs at night. Also, it had already seemed to me that he wasn't even very interested in eating during some of our wakeups before, it was more for comfort so he could fall back asleep.
hummingbird125 glad you are finally getting better sleep. I never thought I'd do CIO either. But with DD is was the only thing that worked. Even now at 2 on a rough day we have to employ it. With her it's only on days she's overly tired or being 2 that she's difficult. But most days she puts herself to sleep without issues. She'll even cover herself up MOTN if the blanket falls off. Honestly everyone including baby is happier when they can sleep better.
Post by gratefulgirl on Dec 13, 2016 20:18:20 GMT -5
Whoah. I tend to do my few minute "pause" when DD3 cries at night less often so she doesn't wake anyone. I do it mostly at naps (rarely need to any more). But the pedi suggested picking back up on it. She woke up crying just now (definitely not hungry), cried for 4 minutes, and soothed herself.
Whoah. I tend to do my few minute "pause" when DD3 cries at night less often so she doesn't wake anyone. I do it mostly at naps (rarely need to any more). But the pedi suggested picking back up on it. She woke up crying just now (definitely not hungry), cried for 4 minutes, and soothed herself.
Long live self-soothing skills!
I want this to happen. I tend to hop out of bed immediately because I do want to wake her sister, just like you said. Plus, don't you find that even 4 minutes feels like forever at night?! Lol
Whoah. I tend to do my few minute "pause" when DD3 cries at night less often so she doesn't wake anyone. I do it mostly at naps (rarely need to any more). But the pedi suggested picking back up on it. She woke up crying just now (definitely not hungry), cried for 4 minutes, and soothed herself.
Long live self-soothing skills!
I want this to happen. I tend to hop out of bed immediately because I do want to wake her sister, just like you said. Plus, don't you find that even 4 minutes feels like forever at night?! Lol
Sadly it did not last. 10 minutes later she was up and not settling. I tried a bunch of options to help her but let her do it sans paci and she got so close, but kept hiccupping awake again. Sigh. I wish I could help her help herself!
I want this to happen. I tend to hop out of bed immediately because I do want to wake her sister, just like you said. Plus, don't you find that even 4 minutes feels like forever at night?! Lol
Sadly it did not last. 10 minutes later she was up and not settling. I tried a bunch of options to help her but let her do it sans paci and she got so close, but kept hiccupping awake again. Sigh. I wish I could help her help herself!
Ugh! My daughter is capable of self soothing after s few min too bit it never seems to last more than 10 min either. I end up being awake longer in the end if keep trying to get her to self soothe vs I just feed her right away. It's tricky!
Sadly it did not last. 10 minutes later she was up and not settling. I tried a bunch of options to help her but let her do it sans paci and she got so close, but kept hiccupping awake again. Sigh. I wish I could help her help herself!
Ugh! My daughter is capable of self soothing after s few min too bit it never seems to last more than 10 min either. I end up being awake longer in the end if keep trying to get her to self soothe vs I just feed her right away. It's tricky!
I think I may end up taking her pacifier away when we first put her down. Up 10 times a night is not helping me or her. She's a fussy mess, I am feeling sick, and my insomniac DH doesn't need to be woken any more. Ugh. We'll see. Still have to see if DH agrees.
DD1 self-soothed by rubbing her sleepsack on her mouth at this age. DD2 was/is a thumb sucker. So it is totally possible.
Ugh! My daughter is capable of self soothing after s few min too bit it never seems to last more than 10 min either. I end up being awake longer in the end if keep trying to get her to self soothe vs I just feed her right away. It's tricky!
I think I may end up taking her pacifier away when we first put her down. Up 10 times a night is not helping me or her. She's a fussy mess, I am feeling sick, and my insomniac DH doesn't need to be woken any more. Ugh. We'll see. Still have to see if DH agrees.
DD1 self-soothed by rubbing her sleepsack on her mouth at this age. DD2 was/is a thumb sucker. So it is totally possible.
We took the pacifier away last week. It seems way better not having to get up every time it falls out of his mouth! He uses his fingers to soothe.
Post by bocaburger on Dec 31, 2016 19:05:45 GMT -5
Can we talk about different methods of sleep training? We're going on vacation soon so we'll wait to start until we get back, since travel really throws off their sleep. But I want to have a plan because the sleep deprivation is kind of killing me.
Can we talk about different methods of sleep training? We're going on vacation soon so we'll wait to start until we get back, since travel really throws off their sleep. But I want to have a plan because the sleep deprivation is kind of killing me.
We did Ferber with ds1. It is CIO with checks at 2, 5, and 10 min, then every 10 until asleep. It was hard, but worked well. Night 2 was a million times better, and by night 3 or 4 there was no crying at all. I would do it again if needed.
Can we talk about different methods of sleep training? We're going on vacation soon so we'll wait to start until we get back, since travel really throws off their sleep. But I want to have a plan because the sleep deprivation is kind of killing me.
We did Ferber with ds1. It is CIO with checks at 2, 5, and 10 min, then every 10 until asleep. It was hard, but worked well. Night 2 was a million times better, and by night 3 or 4 there was no crying at all. I would do it again if needed.
What do you do for "checks"? Do you pick them up? Pacifiers? Just shush and pat them?
Can we talk about different methods of sleep training? We're going on vacation soon so we'll wait to start until we get back, since travel really throws off their sleep. But I want to have a plan because the sleep deprivation is kind of killing me.
We did Ferber with ds1. It is CIO with checks at 2, 5, and 10 min, then every 10 until asleep. It was hard, but worked well. Night 2 was a million times better, and by night 3 or 4 there was no crying at all. I would do it again if needed.
Ditto for DD2. DD1 I modified Ferber by picking her up, but I think that actually made it harder.
We did Ferber with ds1. It is CIO with checks at 2, 5, and 10 min, then every 10 until asleep. It was hard, but worked well. Night 2 was a million times better, and by night 3 or 4 there was no crying at all. I would do it again if needed.
What do you do for "checks"? Do you pick them up? Pacifiers? Just shush and pat them?
True Ferber is just verbal reassurance. If you think more soothing will help you can do it, as long as you don't soothe to sleep. They have to fall asleep independently.
Ferber's book is actually a pretty easy read on no sleep and helpful.
I think we will need to sleep train DD and I'm putting it off because of her stomach pain, then vacation and now moving, but really I just don't want to do it. She's so stubborn and anti-sleep I'm expecting that it it will be miserable. I started reading about sleep training and so far what I've gotten is that her poor sleeping is my fault and it's damaging her.
I think we will need to sleep train DD and I'm putting it off because of her stomach pain, then vacation and now moving, but really I just don't want to do it. She's so stubborn and anti-sleep I'm expecting that it it will be miserable. I started reading about sleep training and so far what I've gotten is that her poor sleeping is my fault and it's damaging her.
Nonononono. DD1 and DD2 were terrible sleepers. I literally did everything "right" with DD2, but she was alert and had awful tummy troubles so she just could not sleep. They are not damaged.
My kids were anti-sleep. Ferber still worked. It took 2 weeks with DD1, but it worked. I am so glad I did it.
You don't have to do it now. Wait until you feel like you need a change. Your kid won't be broken. She can learn new sleep associations for a long time yet. It is easier now, but that's only one factor in deciding when or if you should sleep train.
What do you do for "checks"? Do you pick them up? Pacifiers? Just shush and pat them?
True Ferber is just verbal reassurance. If you think more soothing will help you can do it, as long as you don't soothe to sleep. They have to fall asleep independently.
Ferber's book is actually a pretty easy read on no sleep and helpful.
I didn't read the book but read a lot of info on it online. We didn't pick him up, we went in for pacifier replacement (he ended up ditching the paci at this time because he fell asleep without it -he was never super into it anyway), patting his back, verbal shh and reassurance. But, none of that calmed him down much and he still cried. We didn't pick him up though.
One of his biggest issues was that he would roll to his belly and just flip the f out because he didn't know he could sleep that way. Once he figured it out, he was fine.
I also agree that you need to wait until you're ready, but you can start new sleep habits now. Ds1 still isn't a fantastic sleeper, so maybe it's just him, but you can certainly teach them to fall asleep on their own and stay asleep for more than 20min.
Post by hannahbear on Dec 31, 2016 22:34:13 GMT -5
We're still working on it, but bedtime number 1 is totally good. We did Ferber and went in and patted him on the back while saying "shhh shhh night night." He goes down much easier after feedings, too.
I think we will need to sleep train DD and I'm putting it off because of her stomach pain, then vacation and now moving, but really I just don't want to do it. She's so stubborn and anti-sleep I'm expecting that it it will be miserable. I started reading about sleep training and so far what I've gotten is that her poor sleeping is my fault and it's damaging her.
Nonononono. DD1 and DD2 were terrible sleepers. I literally did everything "right" with DD2, but she was alert and had awful tummy troubles so she just could not sleep. They are not damaged.
My kids were anti-sleep. Ferber still worked. It took 2 weeks with DD1, but it worked. I am so glad I did it.
You don't have to do it now. Wait until you feel like you need a change. Your kid won't be broken. She can learn new sleep associations for a long time yet. It is easier now, but that's only one factor in deciding when or if you should sleep train.
I'm going to look into Ferber, that seems to work well for a lot of people, I'm not really liking Weisbluth's book much. We still will probably wait until after we move, I want to make sure we have time to be consistent if it takes awhile and I don't want to have to do it again in a month if the new place, time zone, etc messes up our progress.
I'm having a hard time figuring out her sleep associations, she's so inconsistent when it comes to falling asleep. Sometimes she falls asleep easily, sometimes it takes forever and lots of crying. Something will work to put her to sleep for a few days and then stop working and we have to try something else. I thought I had taught her to fall asleep on her own, but now she'll only do it on rare occasions.
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I'm trying not to make any decisions about sleep training just yet. Baby Girl is barely four months and I'm not in a huge hurry to push her in this arena. She goes to bed at 7pm with no issue, but will wake up a few times a night. Getting her back to sleep is rather easy (a little milk, a pacifier, seeing that I'm still in bed), but it's inevitable that we'll have to do something. I learned last night that she can self soothe in her bassinet but not her crib. Sooo... half way? Ugh.
We live in a row home - so neighbors one double-brick wall away. I've been thinking of reading up on the no cry sleep solution simply to spare the neighbors the noise.
Has anyone used any of the no cry methods of sleep training?
I tried the Pantley Pull Off twice and could not dedicate the hours and weeks it would have taken my kids.
It would have worked to take away DD2's pacifier before 3 months, but definitely would have taken too long after.
Pick up/put down from Secrets of the Baby Whisperer got DD2 and DD3 falling asleep with pacifier at about 8 weeks. I think it too would be harder now but perhaps worth a try.
Nonononono. DD1 and DD2 were terrible sleepers. I literally did everything "right" with DD2, but she was alert and had awful tummy troubles so she just could not sleep. They are not damaged.
My kids were anti-sleep. Ferber still worked. It took 2 weeks with DD1, but it worked. I am so glad I did it.
You don't have to do it now. Wait until you feel like you need a change. Your kid won't be broken. She can learn new sleep associations for a long time yet. It is easier now, but that's only one factor in deciding when or if you should sleep train.
I'm going to look into Ferber, that seems to work well for a lot of people, I'm not really liking Weisbluth's book much. We still will probably wait until after we move, I want to make sure we have time to be consistent if it takes awhile and I don't want to have to do it again in a month if the new place, time zone, etc messes up our progress.
I'm having a hard time figuring out her sleep associations, she's so inconsistent when it comes to falling asleep. Sometimes she falls asleep easily, sometimes it takes forever and lots of crying. Something will work to put her to sleep for a few days and then stop working and we have to try something else. I thought I had taught her to fall asleep on her own, but now she'll only do it on rare occasions.
If she can self-soothe then Ferber should go quickly.
I've said it before and I will say it again - Teaching Your Baby and Toddler to Sleep on Bab.y Cen.ter is amazing for help on schedules and sleep training. They have a pinned post that is like a Cliffs Notes to sleep training and age appropriate schedules. Might help.
DD1 was a puzzle on schedule and how to get her to sleep too. It clicked at a bit after 5 months (though a month later she hit a rough spot for the next 4 months it was never as bad as at first). It may take time but you will find an answer that works for you.
I found Weissbluth's book confusing. Sleep Lady (Ferber but you stay in the room) and Ferber were better. I have heard great things about Sleepeasy Solution too.
Can we talk about different methods of sleep training? We're going on vacation soon so we'll wait to start until we get back, since travel really throws off their sleep. But I want to have a plan because the sleep deprivation is kind of killing me.
I did CIO "extinction" - which means no checks. I decided to do that because I knew from experience that anything short of nursing wouldn't calm down DS at all. DS had been a TERRIBLE nighttime sleeper - up every 1-2 hours all night long, but just last night we got a four hour stretch! We put him to bed at 8pm (went down smiling and happy, rollled onto his belly, sucked his thumb, and was asleep within minutes with zero crying), and he didn't wake up until midnight! I'm now trying to cut out one night feeding and go from 3 MOTN feedings to 2.
Post by spicysalmonroll on Jan 1, 2017 13:33:38 GMT -5
I've read/ been old that breast milk is so thin that any night weaning should not happen until very close to one year. Does anyone have experience/ confirmation with that? I am going to keep feeding every 2.5-3 hours as he wakes. Just wanted to throw that out there, that my understanding is sleep training is about getting them to self soothe, not necessarily getting them to wean or sleep the night.
I've read/ been old that breast milk is so thin that any night weaning should not happen until very close to one year. Does anyone have experience/ confirmation with that? I am going to keep feeding every 2.5-3 hours as he wakes. Just wanted to throw that out there, that my understanding is sleep training is about getting them to self soothe, not necessarily getting them to wean or sleep the night.
Weissbluth said 10 mo. so I waited until then with DD1.
DD2 made it obvious when she was ready to night wean because she barely ate for her first two daytime nursings so I cut her off.
I would wait at least until LO gets 3 meals of solids including fats and proteins. For us that was between 7 & 8 mo.
I've read/ been old that breast milk is so thin that any night weaning should not happen until very close to one year. Does anyone have experience/ confirmation with that? I am going to keep feeding every 2.5-3 hours as he wakes. Just wanted to throw that out there, that my understanding is sleep training is about getting them to self soothe, not necessarily getting them to wean or sleep the night.
I think holding off on night weaning also helped me maintain a decent supply pumping for her at work. I didn't stop night nursing until 18 months.
I'm trying not to make any decisions about sleep training just yet. Baby Girl is barely four months and I'm not in a huge hurry to push her in this arena. She goes to bed at 7pm with no issue, but will wake up a few times a night. Getting her back to sleep is rather easy (a little milk, a pacifier, seeing that I'm still in bed), but it's inevitable that we'll have to do something. I learned last night that she can self soothe in her bassinet but not her crib. Sooo... half way? Ugh.
We live in a row home - so neighbors one double-brick wall away. I've been thinking of reading up on the no cry sleep solution simply to spare the neighbors the noise.
Anyway, I'm rambling. And following this thread.
I'm in the same position/mindset as you but my LO is 5.5 months
I'm still waking up with her 1-2x per night, but she's actually eating those times. I'm not really sure that it's even worth it to try to sleep train her since she generally nurses to sleep.
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I'm still waking up with her 1-2x per night, but she's actually eating those times. I'm not really sure that it's even worth it to try to sleep train her since she generally nurses to sleep.
My kids all ate 1-2x a night at this age, sleep trained or not. None of them nursed to sleep by their own choice past the newborn phase.
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