katelm We still feed 3 times a night too. I'm just happy that she learned how to go to sleep by herself through a couple nights of CIO at 6 months. I'm hesitant to even call it CIO because I really just needed to let her fuss longer than 10 seconds, which was pretty much my standard. Now I can feed her MOTN and put her back to bed without waiting for her to fall asleep. It's not so bad!
I know from experience with DD1 that I will second guess myself every step of the way if I try to eliminate night feedings. I would swear she's hungry this time, go feed her, then worry about what I just taught her by caving in. It was too much. Around 18 months, I decided to night wean finally because I knew by that point it was something she wanted but didn't need.
I guess I should be happy that she goes immediately back to sleep after eating. How many times a night was she eating at 18 months?
my own definition of cio is letting a baby bawl nonstop for long periods of time (like 30+ min) and not soothing them in any way. When she fusses I always give it time first because sometimes she does settle. I definitely don't go rushing in at the very first fuss.
@meagp22 bocaburger Thanks! She's in the 30s percentile weight wise too so it's not like shes getting too much to eat (IMO). My gut is telling me to just carry on and she will get there eventually in her own time. I agree she just needs to nurse a few times MOTN still for whatever reason. It's just frustrating when so many people suggest I just let her cry or I should refuse to feed her to "teach" her when I comment on how tired I am or how she is still up 3x a night at 7.5 months. I just don't feel that would work best in our situation. I really do feel it would be neglectful if she's needing hydration because sick etc. My poor baby looked so pitiful MOTN last night with a bad cough. She tried so hard to settle herself for hours and kept waking up because of cough.
At this age they are so alert that getting a good solid feeding at the breast during the day can be a challenge. That could definitely lead to increased nighttime hunger
katelm DD1 was a really difficult sleeper, I am sure partly because I let her go on with bad habits. She would still wake up 1 or 2 times a night at 18 months. One particularly rough night, even H pitched in to get her back to sleep at about 2am. Nothing was working so he said just leave her in the crib and we won't feed her anymore. She cried to sleep and that was it. She STTN every night after that. Should have done it sooner I guess!!
*looking for sleep training friendly advice* E has finally learned to flip over in his crib. I don't know if he can't get back or he just doesn't know how to sleep on his belly or what, but he's just is having a hard time! Do I flip him? Do I leave him?
*looking for sleep training friendly advice* E has finally learned to flip over in his crib. I don't know if he can't get back or he just doesn't know how to sleep on his belly or what, but he's just is having a hard time! Do I flip him? Do I leave him?
*looking for sleep training friendly advice* E has finally learned to flip over in his crib. I don't know if he can't get back or he just doesn't know how to sleep on his belly or what, but he's just is having a hard time! Do I flip him? Do I leave him?
I would leave him unless he is hysterical.
Same! He will learn, but not if you keep doing it for him. We're doing the same thing right now because she stands up in there and doesn't want to let go to get back down. Babies... It's always something.
Same! He will learn, but not if you keep doing it for him. We're doing the same thing right now because she stands up in there and doesn't want to let go to get back down. Babies... It's always something.
Same! He will learn, but not if you keep doing it for him. We're doing the same thing right now because she stands up in there and doesn't want to let go to get back down. Babies... It's always something.
I would not flip back over.
Ds1 loved to stand but had no idea how to get back down. We practiced a lot during the day having him go from standing to sitting so he could figure it out on his own in his crib!
Same! He will learn, but not if you keep doing it for him. We're doing the same thing right now because she stands up in there and doesn't want to let go to get back down. Babies... It's always something.
I would not flip back over.
Ds1 loved to stand but had no idea how to get back down. We practiced a lot during the day having him go from standing to sitting so he could figure it out on his own in his crib!
DD is pulling up on everything all day so I know the nighttime standing is coming. Ugh.
Ds1 loved to stand but had no idea how to get back down. We practiced a lot during the day having him go from standing to sitting so he could figure it out on his own in his crib!
DD is pulling up on everything all day so I know the nighttime standing is coming. Ugh.
The pulling up is really complicating my life!! Every time I turn around she's up on something else. Our wood floors are slippery, so lots of head bumping going on. And when I put her in the crib, she just crawls over and climbs up. Duh, why would you sleep when you can stand?!
DD is pulling up on everything all day so I know the nighttime standing is coming. Ugh.
The pulling up is really complicating my life!! Every time I turn around she's up on something else. Our wood floors are slippery, so lots of head bumping going on. And when I put her in the crib, she just crawls over and climbs up. Duh, why would you sleep when you can stand?!
Many head bumps happening here, too. Thank goodness for arnica, or she would be covered in bruises
Post by spicysalmonroll on Mar 26, 2017 15:26:51 GMT -5
Do you guys have an evening nap time cutoff? He always wants to catnap from like 4:30-5. Bedtime is at 7. We've been letting him because he seems to sleep poorly regardless. Days when he's up since 1pm and doesn't get another nap, he doesn't sleep any better. Seems like it's all just a crapshoot and nothing seems to correlate lol
Do you guys have an evening nap time cutoff? He always wants to catnap from like 4:30-5. Bedtime is at 7. We've been letting him because he seems to sleep poorly regardless. Days when he's up since 1pm and doesn't get another nap, he doesn't sleep any better. Seems like it's all just a crapshoot and nothing seems to correlate lol
Not really. Late naps don't appear to impact bedtime that much. It might push bedtime back by 15 minutes. My 2 year old is the same way. The unfortunate flip side to that is early naps don't push bedtime up either.
Do you guys have an evening nap time cutoff? He always wants to catnap from like 4:30-5. Bedtime is at 7. We've been letting him because he seems to sleep poorly regardless. Days when he's up since 1pm and doesn't get another nap, he doesn't sleep any better. Seems like it's all just a crapshoot and nothing seems to correlate lol
Her afternoon nap sometimes goes past 5, and bedtime still ends up around 6:30. I'm with you, because she is up every 3 hours at night no matter what happens during the day.
Do you guys have an evening nap time cutoff? He always wants to catnap from like 4:30-5. Bedtime is at 7. We've been letting him because he seems to sleep poorly regardless. Days when he's up since 1pm and doesn't get another nap, he doesn't sleep any better. Seems like it's all just a crapshoot and nothing seems to correlate lol
Her afternoon nap sometimes goes past 5, and bedtime still ends up around 6:30. I'm with you, because she is up every 3 hours at night no matter what happens during the day.
Do you guys have an evening nap time cutoff? He always wants to catnap from like 4:30-5. Bedtime is at 7. We've been letting him because he seems to sleep poorly regardless. Days when he's up since 1pm and doesn't get another nap, he doesn't sleep any better. Seems like it's all just a crapshoot and nothing seems to correlate lol
I generally make sure they are up by 5, although they have pretty much transitioned to a 2-nap schedule so it hasn't been an issue lately. I did find that later naps often led to later bedtime.
Post by carolineleigh on Apr 19, 2017 13:23:42 GMT -5
Hi everyone! This thread has been so helpful and informative, but I have one question for all you sleep experts.
We are going to start the Ferber method with DS tonight. He is formula fed and typically does not need to eat overnight. This is completely new territory for MH and me. Our DD was an extremely difficult newborn due to feeding/reflux issues. However once those problems settled down around 4-5 months, she turned into a unicorn baby. She slept great by 8 months. I truly believe this is because she was, and still is, a finger sucker. She had no problem putting herself to sleep. DS was a great newborn but I got into the bad habit of feeding and/or rocking to sleep. He now wakes up 4-5 times a night to be held and rocked.
So we are going to start CIO with checks tonight. I understand the process for bedtime, but do we just repeat it for every wake up? I'm scared!
Post by bocaburger on Apr 19, 2017 14:36:10 GMT -5
carolineleigh There are different methods, a lot of it depends on your comfort level & how your baby responds. My pediatrician told us to focus on bedtime at first until they learned how to self-soothe, and then add the other wakeups. I found that my babies did better once we treated all wakeups the same. I also started with a modified Ferber but found that the checks upset them more - if they saw me, but I didn't pick them up, they got much more worked up than if I just left them alone. I also found that they got less upset when H went in for checks than when I did.
The first night is tough. I recommend a sitcom and a drink. ;-) But hopefully by next week it will be over and you will all be sleeping through the night! Good luck!
carolineleigh like bocaburger when I did CIO with my DD I couldn't go in. At bedtime I knew there wasn't an issue so had to let her CIO. MOTN wake ups I went in to make sure no big issue and then let her CIO. Going in to check only prolonged the process for us. With DS he can self sooth better so with fussy I can go in and pick up to calm him. Then place him back in and he is fine. Each kid is different. Basically do whatever your plan is tonight and if it's not working don't be afraid to modify.
Post by hannahbear on Apr 20, 2017 14:22:11 GMT -5
carolineleigh we did Ferber with checks for a while and we repeated for every wake up. I tried to be consistent, so once we had a plan we stuck to that!
Thanks for the helpful responses! Last night went pretty well. In the first 45 minutes he pooped and then spit up all over his sleep sack and sheet. I was tempted to give up! But after all the diaper/pj/bedding changes, he fell asleep in about an hour. He was up at 1:15 and went back to sleep very easily. Up again at 4:15, I gave a bottle and he was back to sleep, in his crib, until 7:15! Huge progress!
Starting night 2 now! Hope your little ones are all fast asleep!
Post by spicysalmonroll on Apr 21, 2017 7:49:46 GMT -5
carolineleigh, it took him an hour at the start of bedtime? Are you doing a bedtime routine? We do the same exact thing each night starting at 6:45 with bath, PJ's, bottle, books in the rocker. By the final book he is rubbing his eyes and we put him in the crib and he's out in minutes. Definitely try doing the same thing each night so he knows ok once this happens it's time for sleep. (middle of the night is another story, mine absolutely won't settle himself lol)
Post by bocaburger on Apr 27, 2017 20:46:50 GMT -5
OK advice needed. My babies were successfully sleep trained and night weaned and mostly STTN. Then we traveled lots for H's job interviews and left the babies with our parents. They picked them up immediately whenever they cried (even though we said not to), and they fed them at night, and the babies got sick. So we lost all the progress we had made, and now I'm once again getting about 6 hours of sleep a night broken up into 2 hour chunks. Not good.
Here's the trouble: both babies are now able to sit up, and G can pull herself up to standing. They can't soothe themselves in those positions so I constantly end up going in and laying them back down. The first time we sleep trained, we learned that we couldn't go in at all because they get more worked up when they see us. So now I don't know what to do.
OK advice needed. My babies were successfully sleep trained and night weaned and mostly STTN. Then we traveled lots for H's job interviews and left the babies with our parents. They picked them up immediately whenever they cried (even though we said not to), and they fed them at night, and the babies got sick. So we lost all the progress we had made, and now I'm once again getting about 6 hours of sleep a night broken up into 2 hour chunks. Not good.
Here's the trouble: both babies are now able to sit up, and G can pull herself up to standing. They can't soothe themselves in those positions so I constantly end up going in and laying them back down. The first time we sleep trained, we learned that we couldn't go in at all because they get more worked up when they see us. So now I don't know what to do.
When DS would do this, I let him cry it out, push his bedtime back a little, and try extra hard to wear him out. We're still working on getting back to STTN after a regression, but teething has hit again. And when a all else fails the doctor said 0.5mL of benedryl to help.
OK advice needed. My babies were successfully sleep trained and night weaned and mostly STTN. Then we traveled lots for H's job interviews and left the babies with our parents. They picked them up immediately whenever they cried (even though we said not to), and they fed them at night, and the babies got sick. So we lost all the progress we had made, and now I'm once again getting about 6 hours of sleep a night broken up into 2 hour chunks. Not good.
Here's the trouble: both babies are now able to sit up, and G can pull herself up to standing. They can't soothe themselves in those positions so I constantly end up going in and laying them back down. The first time we sleep trained, we learned that we couldn't go in at all because they get more worked up when they see us. So now I don't know what to do.
You may need to re- sleep train, unfortunately. This happened with ds1 when he learned to sit/stand in the crib. During the day, I would practice going from standing to sitting to laying down with him so I knew that he knew how to do it, and would eventually do it on his own in the crib.
OK advice needed. My babies were successfully sleep trained and night weaned and mostly STTN. Then we traveled lots for H's job interviews and left the babies with our parents. They picked them up immediately whenever they cried (even though we said not to), and they fed them at night, and the babies got sick. So we lost all the progress we had made, and now I'm once again getting about 6 hours of sleep a night broken up into 2 hour chunks. Not good.
Here's the trouble: both babies are now able to sit up, and G can pull herself up to standing. They can't soothe themselves in those positions so I constantly end up going in and laying them back down. The first time we sleep trained, we learned that we couldn't go in at all because they get more worked up when they see us. So now I don't know what to do.
You may need to re- sleep train, unfortunately. This happened with ds1 when he learned to sit/stand in the crib. During the day, I would practice going from standing to sitting to laying down with him so I knew that he knew how to do it, and would eventually do it on his own in the crib.
They can definitely both do it - G especially is really good at putting herself back down from standing during the day. But in her crib she'll just stand there crying. It's so sad.
bocaburger with my DD when I did sleep training she also mastered those skills. We also could go in at all. It meant a longer period of crying but she learned how to sit down and go to sleep. But it was a longer period for her to calm down. She also had to learn how to sleep without her paci at that time too bc she's throw them out. So hopefully since they already know how to self soothe it'll be easier.
bocaburger, ds1 was also quite strong willed. And both boys have been worse with us going in. I have noticed even one "off day" of car naps or being held to nap means a couple rough days and potentially needing to let him cry a bit again. It can get so frustrating!
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