Post by dancerspose on Jan 24, 2017 11:44:04 GMT -5
@ketchup thank you so much for everything you've done for all of us, and for supporting us while being YOU because we love you snark and all! Please send me a PM about the Facebook group, I'd love to join.
I don't go here and just getting caught up, but seriously?!
I've known ketchup for a while and I've never known her to be anything but supportive. Yes, she is is blunt, but I've seen Admins be worse. This may be a bit far fetched ( as far as memories/grow a backbone go) but didn't everyone know "how she was" when she was appointed a mod? I've never seen her pretend to be anyone else and frankly wouldn't want her to. She has staunchly defended and supported all if the IF community. I'm getting major deja vu from TD and it's shameful. Guess I won't be recommending this a safe space anymore since being yourself is no longer an option. This is starting to feel a lot like Orwell's 1984, should I start looking for people reporting me behind my back?
Post by sarcaztic10 on Jan 24, 2017 13:14:09 GMT -5
Was lurking on some of my favorite AL ladies when I came across this and just wanted to say this reeks of TD and why everyone left in the first place.
Also, I would assume that more than one warning would have to be issued using TCF messaging in order for there to be an official reason to dismiss a mod.
I think the point that ketchup brought about Naria siggy "assume that if I'm snarking at you, I'm not wearing my Admin hat" is perfect. I can count more times I have seen Naria be snarky versus ketchup. The example of being a "good" admin was never set.
Yup yup YUP!! Can't YUP this enough!
ETA: and she wasn't having issues on THIS BOARD. Like, WTAF?! Furthermore, I second what a PP said about those ladies on SAIF who NEVER EVER participate over here. Must be too much effort for them to get up from their shared high school lunch table to participate.
Extra points for anyone who can post a "you can't sit with us" Mean Girls gif.
ETA: GDI. Stupid work distracted me and then someone beat me to it. Oh well, leaving for emphasis.
Met in May 2011 Engaged November 2011 Married November 2013 Started TTC November 2015 Began Infertility Workup November 2016 BFP! Lucky #13 Cycle TTC Due Date: 9/5/2017
So, TCF News, what will you do it we vote to make @ketchup our mod again? Will you listen to and respect our wishes, or will you completely disregard them like you are now and pick someone of your own choosing?
Met in May 2011 Engaged November 2011 Married November 2013 Started TTC November 2015 Began Infertility Workup November 2016 BFP! Lucky #13 Cycle TTC Due Date: 9/5/2017
Post by bunnyfungo on Jan 24, 2017 14:02:04 GMT -5
Mods can be removed for causing trouble on another board? Since when? I mean, I got the GKU badge for "Most Likely to Start a Board War." And I'm still here.
::waves:: I clearly don't go here. But this is fucked up.
This was not a decision that was made lightly or with haste, and it is not the result of a single thread or a single instance. It was the result of a continued pattern of behavior, and concerns voiced by more than just a handful of people, and not solely by members of the SAIF community. We had given Ketchup the opportunity to dial back her responses when interacting with the infertility community as a whole, but unfortunately the concerns continued to be brought up by others.
There is a lot more that led to this action than meets the eye, and because of the fact that we want to maintain confidentiality of those who came to us with concerns, we’re afraid that our answer may be insufficient. We’ve promised to be as transparent as possible with the community, but there are times that we cannot be fully transparent, and this is one of those instances.
Also sorry for the delay- phone crashed mid-response
I have issues with this response. It's bad journalism/social science/HR if you're going to quote a "pattern of behavior" you need to be abele to back that up. You don't have to tell us who came to you, but generally if you want to establish a pattern you have to show it. It'd be nice if you could document actual transgressions that you consider to be worthy of losing mod status. Ideally you'd make this part of it public, but if that's too shame-y, you should at least share it with the mods. If you want to maintain a sense of transparency and comfort your mods going forward you might consider keeping logs of complaints you can actually refer to back to. This response without any fact-based evidence give the appearance that you have a "general feeling" some people are unhappy with the behavior. At this point I think the damage is done this case. But, moving forward if you plan to remove a mod I think it would behoove you to be much clearer about what you truly consider to be removal worthy.
That being said, in the end it is your site and you don't owe us anything. I just hope you understand where the general sense of outrage and injustice is coming from.
TTC #1: March 2014 Dx: MFI Medicated IUI #1: March 2015-BFP Baby Girl born 11/5/2015! TTC #2: August 2016 Medicated IUI #1: Feb 2017-BFN Medicated IUI #2: March 2017-BFP Baby Boy expected Dec. 1
Post by helloerrbody on Jan 24, 2017 15:37:12 GMT -5
I've never posted on this board but seriously WUT!? So the admins accuse @ketchup of doing something that @naria has done probably 213 times, ketchup gets the boot but naria is still running this place? Oh, okay... Stuff like this is why I barely post on TCF anymore. I'm sorry this happened to you, @ketchup.
I came over here with an intent to post something similar to what kensie5226 said, but as she said it very eloquently I won't repeat it. For a board that started as a reaction to situations very similar to the above, and one that self-professes to provide an atmosphere of increased transparency, this is not being transparent. Also I think based on the response to this thread it's fairly evident that "the infertility community as a whole" actually feels quite differently and has not been concerned at all about Ketchup's responses (and clearly feel she has been a supportive, helpful, mod). I think a very small subset of the infertility community on one board that she does not mod may have been uncomfortable, but really, we've all seen worse, including from mods. This seems like a huge overreaction.
So @tcfnews now that "more than a handful" of people have voiced support for @ketchup and their disgust with your dump style of governing are you going to grace us with a response?
I'm truly ashamed of all the admins and the way they are handling all of this. It's truly horrible the way you are treating all of us. I feel as if you are saying that this community as a whole does not matter, which is truly awful since some of y'all are/were active participants. Your blatant way of ignoring (it is what you are doing since this is what y'all are professing is a business) this issue is pure stupidity, to put it bluntly. At this point, I don't think this is the safe space it once was. It is starting to feel more and more like TD the longer we wait for you to grace us with your presence.
So @tcfnews now that "more than a handful" of people have voiced support for @ketchup and their disgust with your dump style of governing are you going to grace us with a response?
It is like we need another "How should we handle this" thread pinned for the whole site to see.
Obviously I don't go here but I support @ketchup. I'm truly horrified by what is happening here, and to our lF community of all places.
I read/skimmed the guidelines and I seriously don't see where @ketchup violated any of the guidelines??
She posted on a board that she is not the moderator of. So, therefore I believe she should be treated as any other member of this board and not as a mod. She has not received any official warnings about her behavior so there was no reason to just dismiss her. Sure she can be snarky (this site was built on snark) but FFS don't dismiss her as the mod of this board because a bunch (very small bunch) of Sensitive Sally's on another board got their feelings hurt.
Obviously I don't go here but I support @ketchup. I'm truly horrified by what is happening here, and to our lF community of all places.
I don't go here either but here I am. Hi to this amazing group of women.
THIS right here is some shady shit, especially considering the paragraph modified deals with removal of mods.
As for whoever it was that said this won't blow up like it would on Parenting, you're unfortunately probably right but I for one hope you'll push to get this seen forum-wife because I think it's really at an aggregious level of Dumpdom at this point and everyone deserves to know that the forum is being run this way. The doe-eyed "omg you guys are so amazing thanks for all you do" is kind of bullshit after something like this.
If receipts come out proving @ketchup story to be false or misleading I'll apologize but I'm not sure what she'd have to gain by lying (telling her side AND providing her own receipts), so I highly doubt this was handled in any way appropriately.
Obviously I don't go here but I support @ketchup. I'm truly horrified by what is happening here, and to our lF community of all places.
I don't go here either but here I am. Hi to this amazing group of women.
THIS right here is some shady shit, especially considering the paragraph modified deals with removal of mods.
As for whoever it was that said this won't blow up like it would on Parenting, you're unfortunately probably right but I for one hope you'll push to get this seen forum-wife because I think it's really at an aggregious level of Dumpdom at this point and everyone deserves to know that the forum is being run this way. The doe-eyed "omg you guys are so amazing thanks for all you do" is kind of bullshit after something like this.
If receipts come out proving @ketchup story to be false or misleading I'll apologize but I'm not sure what she'd have to gain by lying (telling her side AND providing her own receipts), so I highly doubt this was handled in any way appropriately.
Based on what's been shared on the mod board, you're not going to get many more answers than you're getting now. But I stand with the admins.
Obviously I don't go here but I support @ketchup. I'm truly horrified by what is happening here, and to our lF community of all places.
"moderators are welcome to share opinions and disagree as normal people. We do not have to be neutral parties in discussions, but you do have to be willing to be objective when actually moderating."
So nothing @ketchup says on SAIF should affect her ability to moderate on another board.
NariaDreaming did send me a message in response to my post on SAIF to let me know that they are not ignoring me and will respond. That was a number of hours ago but I'm willing to give them to benefit of the doubt that they are taking the time they need to respond appropriately.
I don't go here either but here I am. Hi to this amazing group of women.
THIS right here is some shady shit, especially considering the paragraph modified deals with removal of mods.
As for whoever it was that said this won't blow up like it would on Parenting, you're unfortunately probably right but I for one hope you'll push to get this seen forum-wife because I think it's really at an aggregious level of Dumpdom at this point and everyone deserves to know that the forum is being run this way. The doe-eyed "omg you guys are so amazing thanks for all you do" is kind of bullshit after something like this.
If receipts come out proving @ketchup story to be false or misleading I'll apologize but I'm not sure what she'd have to gain by lying (telling her side AND providing her own receipts), so I highly doubt this was handled in any way appropriately.
Based on what's been shared on the mod board, you're not going to get many more answers than you're getting now. But I stand with the admins.
And that's their prerogative.
This lack of transparency and clear break with the terms they wrote sets quite a precedent.
A snarky mod can be removed, essentially, at the request of members of any board on which she posts.
Based on what's been shared on the mod board, you're not going to get many more answers than you're getting now. But I stand with the admins.
And that's their prerogative.
This lack of transparency and clear break with the terms they wrote sets quite a precedent.
A snarky mod can be removed, essentially, at the request of members of any board on which she posts.
What I'm saying is there's more to it than that but you're only going to get the polished picture that ketchup wants to show. I agree that it's not as transparent as I would like it to be, and I get the outrage, but only to an extent.
This lack of transparency and clear break with the terms they wrote sets quite a precedent.
A snarky mod can be removed, essentially, at the request of members of any board on which she posts.
What I'm saying is there's more to it than that but you're only going to get the polished picture that ketchup wants to show. I agree that it's not as transparent as I would like it to be, and I get the outrage, but only to an extent.
Thank you, I thought that might be what you were getting at. I wish they'd share that then. Because as of now unless ketchup is straight up lying I don't get any defense of the action.
We spent the afternoon debriefing the moderators. The decision on Ketchup's removal from her moderator role will not be reversed now or at any point in the future. There is nothing else that we can say on the matter other than the rest of the moderator team is fully aware of the actions that led to the decision that was made.
Also, we can provide screenshots of the original language and the modified language of the moderator document. The only changes made were striking the word "Administrators" from the beginning of the paragraph, and pluralizing the word "owner" to "owners" to reflect the current business structure of TCF. It's an edit that should have been made last year, but unfortunately flew under the radar.
We spent the afternoon debriefing the moderators. The decision on Ketchup's removal from her moderator role will not be reversed now or at any point in the future. There is nothing else that we can say on the matter other than the rest of the moderator team is fully aware of the actions that led to the decision that was made.
Also, we can provide screenshots of the original language and the modified language of the moderator document. The only changes made were striking the word "Administrators" from the beginning of the paragraph, and pluralizing the word "owner" to "owners" to reflect the current business structure of TCF. It's an edit that should have been made last year, but unfortunately flew under the radar.
What "actions"? Don't we, as the users of her modded board, deserve to know what caused her dismissal?
Met in May 2011 Engaged November 2011 Married November 2013 Started TTC November 2015 Began Infertility Workup November 2016 BFP! Lucky #13 Cycle TTC Due Date: 9/5/2017
So you can make the other mods aware of the "full story" but you can't even give ketchup a real fucking answer? She deserves that. Maybe you want to be vague with the rest of us, but FFS at least have the common decency to further explain to her.
"Full story" 1. We do what we want and generally give no fucks to the infertiles
So you can make the other mods aware of the "full story" but you can't even give ketchup a real fucking answer? She deserves that. Maybe you want to be vague with the rest of us, but FFS at least have the common decency to further explain to her.
"Full story" 1. We do what we want and generally give no fucks to the infertiles
Ok, as many know, I'm the least likely to WK the admins but you can't be serious with "give no fucks to the infertiles."
"Full story" 1. We do what we want and generally give no fucks to the infertiles
Ok, as many know, I'm the least likely to WK the admins but you can't be serious with "give no fucks to the infertiles."
Yes I can. Because if this was parenting this would have burned the house down. I go here. Every day. I know what @ketchup is and isn't. This is beyond shady to our small close knit group.
Ok, as many know, I'm the least likely to WK the admins but you can't be serious with "give no fucks to the infertiles."
Yes I can. Because if this was parenting this would have burned the house down. I go here. Every day. I know what @ketchup is and isn't. This is beyond shady to our small close knit group.
And I agree with you on every aspect of what you're saying, aside from the idea that any of the admins don't care about the IF community.
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