I have 2 cold shoulder tshirts and an off the shoulder top that I love
Ok, but would you wear them to a meeting with a priest and a gazillionaire to discuss an 8 figure estate gift? That's what I'm talking about when I use the word inappropriate.
No and I completely agree that they are not professional wear. But I don't think they are hideous in a casual setting
90's music is by far the best - for me and probably emmagk it was a time of britpop which is totally the soundtrack to my last years at school and then my uni years.
Oasis, Blur, the Charlatans, Happy Monday's, Stone Roses, Radiohead, Pulp, Cast, Catalonia, Shed Seven, Manic Street Preachers, Ash.
I loved them all and my life revolved around them. I went to concerts and festivals and was just so happy.
From the states I loved Nirvana, Foo Fighters Counting Crows, Weezer, Alanis Morrisette, R.E.M. etc.
All of this is still on my playlists. I'll be listening to it when I'm 90, like a crazy old lady who lives in the past.
90's music is by far the best - for me and probably emmagk it was a time of britpop which is totally the soundtrack to my last years at school and then my uni years.
Oasis, Blur, the Charlatans, Happy Monday's, Stone Roses, Radiohead, Pulp, Cast, Catalonia, Shed Seven, Manic Street Preachers, Ash.
I loved them all and my life revolved around them. I went to concerts and festivals and was just so happy.
From the states I loved Nirvana, Foo Fighters Counting Crows, Weezer, Alanis Morrisette, R.E.M. etc.
All of this is still on my playlists. I'll be listening to it when I'm 90, like a crazy old lady who lives in the past.
I'm not a cold shoulder fan or a Bardot top fan either.
I can't even come up with a reason why for the cold shoulders - just nms.
The Bardot tops, I'm too nervous incase a boob pops out, or I'm sitting unaware that the top has worked it's way down and I'm sitting with my tits out in public. I like the safety of straps and sleeves!
90's music is by far the best - for me and probably emmagk it was a time of britpop which is totally the soundtrack to my last years at school and then my uni years.
Oasis, Blur, the Charlatans, Happy Monday's, Stone Roses, Radiohead, Pulp, Cast, Catalonia, Shed Seven, Manic Street Preachers, Ash.
I loved them all and my life revolved around them. I went to concerts and festivals and was just so happy.
From the states I loved Nirvana, Foo Fighters Counting Crows, Weezer, Alanis Morrisette, R.E.M. etc.
All of this is still on my playlists. I'll be listening to it when I'm 90, like a crazy old lady who lives in the past.
Omg I loved Ash so much!
I'm sure they were still at high school when they released 1977 album. I thought they were the coolest.
I also was in love with Tim Wheeler who was so hot (when ur a 15 year old girl) in the video for Girl From Mars ha ha.
Do you remember the Divine Comedy? They were awesome.
I don't get why Americans (not all I'm sure) refer to themselves as "Irish", "Italian", "Swedish", "part German, Spanish, a quarter Dutch" whatever.
Why not just say "American"?
I do get it if it's like your parents were born in say Italy and moved to the states and you feel "half Italian" as that's quite a close link.
Or obviously if you were born overseas and moved to America, then of course.
DH's grandparents are from Northern Ireland and Italy and settled in Scotland. He never refers to himself as Irish/Italian - that would be weird.
I know the US is traditionally a big "melting pot" of immigrants but so are all countries at some point. I've never known or heard people from other countries refer to themselves as anything other than the country they were born in.
I don't get why Americans (not all I'm sure) refer to themselves as "Irish", "Italian", "Swedish", "part German, Spanish, a quarter Dutch" whatever.
Why not just say "American"?
I do get it if it's like your parents were born in say Italy and moved to the states and you feel "half Italian" as that's quite a close link.
Or obviously if you were born overseas and moved to America, then of course.
DH's grandparents are from Northern Ireland and Italy and settled in Scotland. He never refers to himself as Irish/Italian - that would be weird.
I know the US is traditionally a big "melting pot" of immigrants but so are all countries at some point. I've never known or heard people from other countries refer to themselves as anything other than the country they were born in.
So - less of an UO, more of a question really.
I've wondered this so many times! Like everyone has to be something else, I don't get it.
Also MH grandparents were Irish and Italian. My SIL got the Italian genes, MH has always been jealous
I don't get why Americans (not all I'm sure) refer to themselves as "Irish", "Italian", "Swedish", "part German, Spanish, a quarter Dutch" whatever.
Why not just say "American"?
I do get it if it's like your parents were born in say Italy and moved to the states and you feel "half Italian" as that's quite a close link.
Or obviously if you were born overseas and moved to America, then of course.
DH's grandparents are from Northern Ireland and Italy and settled in Scotland. He never refers to himself as Irish/Italian - that would be weird.
I know the US is traditionally a big "melting pot" of immigrants but so are all countries at some point. I've never known or heard people from other countries refer to themselves as anything other than the country they were born in.
So - less of an UO, more of a question really.
I can't speak for all. But I think many don't say they are just American, because there's native americans who might roll their eyes. Many families here are still very close to their heritage and it plays a part in their lives. My Dad's side of the family didn't move here until around 1920's. My nanny and Grandma are very much Italian and it plays a large part in our lives whether it be food or the language. It's also like zodiac signs. Knowing your Irish, Chinese whatever explains who you are a person/personality. On top of that, almost every race at one time or another has experienced prejudices in this country, so people feel proud of their family's accomplishments and how far they've come. But I'm sure many who are traveling in another country will just say they are American rather than Italian, Polish whatever.
I don't get why Americans (not all I'm sure) refer to themselves as "Irish", "Italian", "Swedish", "part German, Spanish, a quarter Dutch" whatever.
Why not just say "American"?
I do get it if it's like your parents were born in say Italy and moved to the states and you feel "half Italian" as that's quite a close link.
Or obviously if you were born overseas and moved to America, then of course.
DH's grandparents are from Northern Ireland and Italy and settled in Scotland. He never refers to himself as Irish/Italian - that would be weird.
I know the US is traditionally a big "melting pot" of immigrants but so are all countries at some point. I've never known or heard people from other countries refer to themselves as anything other than the country they were born in.
So - less of an UO, more of a question really.
I can't speak for all. But I think many don't say they are just American, because there's native americans who might roll their eyes. Many families here are still very close to their heritage and it plays a part in their lives. My Dad's side of the family didn't move here until around 1920's. My nanny and Grandma are very much Italian and it plays a large part in our lives whether it be food or the language. It's also like zodiac signs. Knowing your Irish, Chinese whatever explains who you are a person/personality. On top of that, almost every race at one time or another has experienced prejudices in this country, so people feel proud of their family's accomplishments and how far they've come. But I'm sure many who are traveling in another country will just say they are American rather than Italian, Polish whatever.
I think the bolded is key. But I'm first generation American, so it's probably pretty different for me than others who have generations of family being born in this country. When somebody in this country asks me, I say Cuban American, because they're not asking me if I'm American. They can hear an accent in my voice and I guess I also don't "look" American. I was raised Cuban because that's all my family knew, so that's the kind of music and food I grew up around.
If I'm in another country and someone asks me, I'd say I'm American.
I think it's because very few Americans are actually 4th+ generations in America. My great grandparents on my moms side were from Germany and spoke German. My mom cooks German food and has many odd traditions or sayings that are not American, but German. To me, that's not so far removed. I just went to a wedding in a German Catholic area where the kids my age are the first generation to speak English. And that's in Indiana. A large majority in Florida, TX, and CA are first generation American. Same with many of our large cities like NYC. There are entire portions of cities - like "little China" or "little Mexico" where it's such a large population and they are ESL. America is kinda weird in this way, I think.
I think it's because very few Americans are actually 4th+ generations in America. My great grandparents on my moms side were from Germany and spoke German. My mom cooks German food and has many odd traditions or sayings that are not American, but German. To me, that's not so far removed. I just went to a wedding in a German Catholic area where the kids my age are the first generation to speak English. And that's in Indiana. A large majority in Florida, TX, and CA are first generation American. Same with many of our large cities like NYC. There are entire portions of cities - like "little China" or "little Mexico" where it's such a large population and they are ESL. America is kinda weird in this way, I think.
To add... when immigrants came in waves they all settled together, with people from their home country. Large cities all had the Italian neighborhood, the Irish neighborhood, the Polish neighborhood, etc. Even today Latin American immigrants tend to stay together and there are large populations of other immigrants like Somalians in pockets around the country. So the cultural connections and traditions remain strong through generations.
I'm 3rd or 4th generation, but I was close with my Polish grandmother who spoke Polish as a child and cooked a lot of Polish food. My German grandmother still had connections with family in Germany, and there were family reunions here, and the family line is written down and traced pretty far back. Also 3 of my grandparents only had 1 ethnic association other than American (we say my grandpa was Irish, but he was more accurately Irish, Scottish & possibly English), whereas I have 4+. I wouldn't say my family lineage had a huge impact on me, but it is interesting to know the background and where my relatives came from. I'd say it will be less significant to my children because they are further removed. I do make pierogis on occasion though. Interestingly, my husband's family probably identifies more with the specific county they are from here than where their ancestors immigrated from.
I think it's because very few Americans are actually 4th+ generations in America. My great grandparents on my moms side were from Germany and spoke German. My mom cooks German food and has many odd traditions or sayings that are not American, but German. To me, that's not so far removed. I just went to a wedding in a German Catholic area where the kids my age are the first generation to speak English. And that's in Indiana. A large majority in Florida, TX, and CA are first generation American. Same with many of our large cities like NYC. There are entire portions of cities - like "little China" or "little Mexico" where it's such a large population and they are ESL. America is kinda weird in this way, I think.
To add... when immigrants came in waves they all settled together, with people from their home country. Large cities all had the Italian neighborhood, the Irish neighborhood, the Polish neighborhood, etc. Even today Latin American immigrants tend to stay together and there are large populations of other immigrants like Somalians in pockets around the country. So the cultural connections and traditions remain strong through generations.
I'm 3rd or 4th generation, but I was close with my Polish grandmother who spoke Polish as a child and cooked a lot of Polish food. My German grandmother still had connections with family in Germany, and there were family reunions here, and the family line is written down and traced pretty far back. Also 3 of my grandparents only had 1 ethnic association other than American (we say my grandpa was Irish, but he was more accurately Irish, Scottish & possibly English), whereas I have 4+. I wouldn't say my family lineage had a huge impact on me, but it is interesting to know the background and where my relatives came from. I'd say it will be less significant to my children because they are further removed. I do make pierogis on occasion though. Interestingly, my husband's family probably identifies more with the specific county they are from here than where their ancestors immigrated from.
Very true! When my Grandparents came here, they lived in an Italian neighborhood in CT.My Grandpa was in a Polish neighborhood in Ohio. I love those neighborhoods.
I find it kind of weird too lulu and emmagk. My mom's grandma was Bermudian. Still had her accent and my mom ate a lot of Bermudian food growing up, visited there, was close to her grandma, but she never calls herself Bermudian or English. Her great grandfather was Irish and she doesn't call herself Irish either. What's even more weird to me is people like my DH. He always says he's Scottish and English and I ask who was from there and he doesn't even know. Just what he has always been told.
I think it's because very few Americans are actually 4th+ generations in America. My great grandparents on my moms side were from Germany and spoke German. My mom cooks German food and has many odd traditions or sayings that are not American, but German. To me, that's not so far removed. I just went to a wedding in a German Catholic area where the kids my age are the first generation to speak English. And that's in Indiana. A large majority in Florida, TX, and CA are first generation American. Same with many of our large cities like NYC. There are entire portions of cities - like "little China" or "little Mexico" where it's such a large population and they are ESL. America is kinda weird in this way, I think.
To add... when immigrants came in waves they all settled together, with people from their home country. Large cities all had the Italian neighborhood, the Irish neighborhood, the Polish neighborhood, etc. Even today Latin American immigrants tend to stay together and there are large populations of other immigrants like Somalians in pockets around the country. So the cultural connections and traditions remain strong through generations.
I'm 3rd or 4th generation, but I was close with my Polish grandmother who spoke Polish as a child and cooked a lot of Polish food. My German grandmother still had connections with family in Germany, and there were family reunions here, and the family line is written down and traced pretty far back. Also 3 of my grandparents only had 1 ethnic association other than American (we say my grandpa was Irish, but he was more accurately Irish, Scottish & possibly English), whereas I have 4+. I wouldn't say my family lineage had a huge impact on me, but it is interesting to know the background and where my relatives came from. I'd say it will be less significant to my children because they are further removed. I do make pierogis on occasion though. Interestingly, my husband's family probably identifies more with the specific county they are from here than where their ancestors immigrated from.
Yes, South Florida is like 98% Hispanic and Latin. Most of my family as well as DH's settled there together when they immigrated, as did all their family and friends, etc. And that's just how it is with almost everyone we know. Until not too long ago, you were lucky to find an English speaker in South Florida versus someone that only spoke Spanish. They identify as from whatever country they're from, and they raise their children to make the same identification. For Cubans specifically, there was always a lot of conviction that communism in Cuba would end and they'd be able to return there, so assimilating American Culture was actually looked down upon. It's not so much like that anymore, but those feelings were really prevalent in my childhood.
I still don't really get it. It's not like the UK is without an immigrant history, where i grew up there was a large Jamaican population but no one says their are Jamaincan unless they were actually born there.
I'm going to file this with other things I'll never understand about the US.
I still don't really get it. It's not like the UK is without an immigrant history, where i grew up there was a large Jamaican population but no one says their are Jamaincan unless they were actually born there.
I'm going to file this with other things I'll never understand about the US.
You don't understand why Englands immigrant history is quite different than America's immigrant history?
I still don't really get it. It's not like the UK is without an immigrant history, where i grew up there was a large Jamaican population but no one says their are Jamaincan unless they were actually born there.
I'm going to file this with other things I'll never understand about the US.
You don't understand why Englands immigrant history is quite different than America's immigrant history?
I understand it's different,although i'm guessing you don't know a lot about the immigrant history of the UK. I don't understand why everyone has to cling so hard to a national identity of a place they are not from and are several generations removed from
You don't understand why Englands immigrant history is quite different than America's immigrant history?
I understand it's different,although i'm guessing you don't know a lot about the immigrant history of the UK. I don't understand why everyone has to cling so hard to a national identity of a place they are not from and are several generations removed from
For the many many paragraphs of explanations that you seem to be dismissing entirely. I think you are just sticking to your original statement, instead of agreeing that it's complex. You keep saying several generations removed- people have told you they are 1st or 2nd generation. That they still speak their families original language. That there are entire pockets and areas that are a large group of the same ethniticity- that they don't even try to assimilate into American culture. Like China town- they're going to be speaking Chinese and eating Chinese food and shopping a Chinese market. This sounds very different from what you describe in England, it sounds like people there do assimilate. Then there's folks who just know their ancestry and that they have a touch of this or a touch of that- we still have entire tribes of native people that live here- they don't even consider themselves American- they feel we railroaded them- and we did. They have no interest in assimilating.
I understand it's different,although i'm guessing you don't know a lot about the immigrant history of the UK. I don't understand why everyone has to cling so hard to a national identity of a place they are not from and are several generations removed from
For the many many paragraphs of explanations that you seem to be dismissing entirely. I think you are just sticking to your original statement, instead of agreeing that it's complex. You keep saying several generations removed- people have told you they are 1st or 2nd generation. That they still speak their families original language. That there are entire pockets and areas that are a large group of the same ethniticity- that they don't even try to assimilate into American culture. Like China town- they're going to be speaking Chinese and eating Chinese food and shopping a Chinese market. This sounds very different from what you describe in England, it sounds like people there do assimilate. Then there's folks who just know their ancestry and that they have a touch of this or a touch of that- we still have entire tribes of native people that live here- they don't even consider themselves American- they feel we railroaded them- and we did. They have no interest in assimilating.
ok. I'm not digging in and i'm not the only one that said i don't get it, both lulu and lecky11 said they don't get it either.
I will admit I know nothing about immigration in the UK or Europe, but here in the US there is a sense of pride in your ancestry because immigrants built America.
Personally I only tell people I'm German if they ask my ancestry. My Great-Grandmother emigrated from there. But I don't really have strong ties to Germany or German culture because I wasn't raised with an emphasis on it.
I consider myself American, which is what I would say if asked. But if asked about my ancestors I'm excited/proud to say German (my mom would go visit relatives, but I never have), English (my most famous ancestor) and now Polish - though I'm only married into that part. But since it's part of the boys ancestors I'm interested...mostly in the food - I pierogis.
The Grandpa that I lived with (Mom's side) had a whole room dedicated to his native culture. He told me everything he knew. Yet, I still have family who either refuse to believe it (racist maybe? I don't know) or don't want the stigma. For me, why deny it? No one speaks the language like my Italian side, but why not embrace it? I honestly didn't know that this was something only our country does. I'm always learning thanks to lulu, and emmagk,!
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