Politicla upheaval

[athn64]

Anyone following? This week has been a shit storm and it's only Wednesday.

[Doll15]

I'm out of words for the debacle of our government. I'm a very very ashamed republican (non trump supporter though- I feel it is very necessary to state that)

[activebaby]

I only know what happened on dora, Peppa, and teen mom. I shouldn't have admitted the last part....

[springbeduk]

Can't say I'm following closely - just hear what is on npr during commute time. Which is quite enough considering how appalling it all is.

Though as a very not-Republican, I do wonder if maybe the debacles and dysfunction are less bad than if djt were impeached and removed from office because then pence and Ryan and McConnell could push through so much. Especially because even with all this I doubt Dems can take back the house and probably not even the Senate in 2018.

Fresh air today about voter ID laws and other moves to restrict voting access was scary and depressing too.

Blah.

[athn64]

May 17, 2017 20:59:15 GMT -5 activebaby said:

I only know what happened on dora, Peppa, and teen mom. I shouldn't have admitted the last part....

The house put together a special counsel to investigate the White House and its ties to Russia. House GOP leaders caught on tape talking about how they think Putin pays Trump last year. Former FBI director has memos proving Trump tried to obstruct the FBI investigation into former National Security Advisor Mike Flynn. White house team was told that Flynn was being investigated prior to his appointment. That team was headed by Pence.

Oh and on Monday, the idiot in chief told the Russian ambassador highly classified information given to us by an ally (possibly Israel) because he felt like bragging.

[athn64]

May 17, 2017 21:09:42 GMT -5 springbeduk said:

Can't say I'm following closely - just hear what is on npr during commute time. Which is quite enough considering how appalling it all is.

Though as a very not-Republican, I do wonder if maybe the debacles and dysfunction are less bad than if djt were impeached and removed from office because then pence and Ryan and McConnell could push through so much. Especially because even with all this I doubt Dems can take back the house and probably not even the Senate in 2018.

Fresh air today about voter ID laws and other moves to restrict voting access was scary and depressing too.

Blah.

Pence and Ryan are potentially in trouble too. See my previous post.

[springbeduk]

May 17, 2017 21:11:48 GMT -5 athn64 said:

May 17, 2017 21:09:42 GMT -5 springbeduk said:

Can't say I'm following closely - just hear what is on npr during commute time. Which is quite enough considering how appalling it all is.

Though as a very not-Republican, I do wonder if maybe the debacles and dysfunction are less bad than if djt were impeached and removed from office because then pence and Ryan and McConnell could push through so much. Especially because even with all this I doubt Dems can take back the house and probably not even the Senate in 2018.

Fresh air today about voter ID laws and other moves to restrict voting access was scary and depressing too.

Blah.

Pence and Ryan are potentially in trouble too. See my previous post.

Hmm. Hadn't heard that stuff yet. Ugh. So much wtf!

[sstwinklinglites]

I'm following. I have like, zero hope left for our government right now. As much as I dislike Trump and feel... not an ounce of anything positive towards him, I've lost faith that the GOP will do anything to remove him. And if he is gone somehow, that leaves us with that right - wing nut Pence. He will push through so much crap that will set back all our social advancements, it will take years, years, and more years to undo the damage.

[sstwinklinglites]

May 17, 2017 21:11:48 GMT -5 athn64 said:

May 17, 2017 21:09:42 GMT -5 springbeduk said:

Can't say I'm following closely - just hear what is on npr during commute time. Which is quite enough considering how appalling it all is.

Though as a very not-Republican, I do wonder if maybe the debacles and dysfunction are less bad than if djt were impeached and removed from office because then pence and Ryan and McConnell could push through so much. Especially because even with all this I doubt Dems can take back the house and probably not even the Senate in 2018.

Fresh air today about voter ID laws and other moves to restrict voting access was scary and depressing too.

Blah.

Pence and Ryan are potentially in trouble too. See my previous post.

Unless there's a smoking gun, I don't think Pence or Ryan are getting taken down. The GOP want Trump gone because he's causing more trouble for them than he's worth at this point. But Pence and Ryan will fall in line and help push a GOP agenda.

[athn64]

May 17, 2017 21:20:35 GMT -5 sstwinklinglites said:

May 17, 2017 21:11:48 GMT -5 athn64 said:

Pence and Ryan are potentially in trouble too. See my previous post.

Unless there's a smoking gun, I don't think Pence or Ryan are getting taken down. The GOP want Trump gone because he's causing more trouble for them than he's worth at this point. But Pence and Ryan will fall in line and help push a GOP agenda.

From what I've read, if Trump is guilty of obstruction, Pence is going to get implicated too because he was aware of it. 

[athn64]

May 17, 2017 21:15:36 GMT -5 sstwinklinglites said:

I'm following. I have like, zero hope left for our government right now. As much as I dislike Trump and feel... not an ounce of anything positive towards him, I've lost faith that the GOP will do anything to remove him. And if he is gone somehow, that leaves us with that right - wing nut Pence. He will push through so much crap that will set back all our social advancements, it will take years, years, and more years to undo the damage.

I am not excited about anyone in the line. But at least they won't brag about national secrets, right? Right?

[rainbowsockmonkey]

May 17, 2017 21:21:50 GMT -5 athn64 said:

May 17, 2017 21:20:35 GMT -5 sstwinklinglites said:

Unless there's a smoking gun, I don't think Pence or Ryan are getting taken down. The GOP want Trump gone because he's causing more trouble for them than he's worth at this point. But Pence and Ryan will fall in line and help push a GOP agenda.

From what I've read, if Trump is guilty of obstruction, Pence is going to get implicated too because he was aware of it. 

We can all hope for this.

DH mentioned that he really wanted Trump to get impeached.  I then reminded him that we will then get stuck with Pence.  Its a no win situation.  

[sstwinklinglites]

May 17, 2017 21:21:50 GMT -5 athn64 said:

May 17, 2017 21:20:35 GMT -5 sstwinklinglites said:

Unless there's a smoking gun, I don't think Pence or Ryan are getting taken down. The GOP want Trump gone because he's causing more trouble for them than he's worth at this point. But Pence and Ryan will fall in line and help push a GOP agenda.

From what I've read, if Trump is guilty of obstruction, Pence is going to get implicated too because he was aware of it. 

I mean, I have no faith in anything at this point. Can you imagine a President Ryan if we can skip Pence?

[athn64]

May 17, 2017 22:10:07 GMT -5 sstwinklinglites said:

May 17, 2017 21:21:50 GMT -5 athn64 said:

From what I've read, if Trump is guilty of obstruction, Pence is going to get implicated too because he was aware of it. 

I mean, I have no faith in anything at this point. Can you imagine a President Ryan if we can skip Pence?

Yeah, there's a whole line of awful coming up

[Susan0utLoud]

Trudeau is in Seattle. Maybe he'll take me to Canada.

[emmagk]

May 17, 2017 22:30:24 GMT -5 Susan0utLoud said:

Trudeau is in Seattle. Maybe he'll take me to Canada.

Maybe he plans on annexing WA.

[Susan0utLoud]

May 17, 2017 22:47:18 GMT -5 emmagk said:

May 17, 2017 22:30:24 GMT -5 Susan0utLoud said:

Trudeau is in Seattle. Maybe he'll take me to Canada.

Maybe he plans on annexing WA.

Only the west side of the state. Leave the east side.

[emmagk]

May 17, 2017 22:54:24 GMT -5 Susan0utLoud said:

May 17, 2017 22:47:18 GMT -5 emmagk said:

Maybe he plans on annexing WA.

Only the west side of the state. Leave the east side.

Only side that matters. Just think, if Trump builds the northern wall it will be nearly impossible to visit the ILs

[Susan0utLoud]

May 17, 2017 22:57:00 GMT -5 emmagk said:

May 17, 2017 22:54:24 GMT -5 Susan0utLoud said:

Only the west side of the state. Leave the east side.

Only side that matters. Just think, if Trump builds the northern wall it will be nearly impossible to visit the ILs

[athn64]

New evidence of collusion with Russia during the campaign released this morning....

[lrmrtn]

May 17, 2017 21:31:11 GMT -5 rainbowsockmonkey said:

May 17, 2017 21:21:50 GMT -5 athn64 said:

From what I've read, if Trump is guilty of obstruction, Pence is going to get implicated too because he was aware of it. 

We can all hope for this.

DH mentioned that he really wanted Trump to get impeached.  I then reminded him that we will then get stuck with Pence.  Its a no win situation.  

This is my thought too. If Trump goes, Pence is in with Ryan as VP.  I don't know what's worse.  I have no faith in our system anymore.  Even the GOPers that complain don't actually do anything when it comes down to it. They just tow the party line.

[springbeduk]

May 18, 2017 10:28:20 GMT -5 lrmrtn said:

May 17, 2017 21:31:11 GMT -5 rainbowsockmonkey said:

We can all hope for this.

DH mentioned that he really wanted Trump to get impeached.  I then reminded him that we will then get stuck with Pence.  Its a no win situation.  

This is my thought too. If Trump goes, Pence is in with Ryan as VP.  I don't know what's worse.  I have no faith in our system anymore.  Even the GOPers that complain don't actually do anything when it comes down to it. They just tow the party line.

Susan Collins sometimes does. Though not often enough.

[jennyinheaven]

I follow but it's such a shit show I can't think about it to long or I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning.