**MFI Check-in 1/14**

[Martinis&Medicine]

Here!

Nothing new happening with us. Hubby got cold feet, again, so we aren't doing IVF for another year. Unless he changes his mind again, which I'm terrified of. Time will tell. Until then we'll just live CFNBC, like we have for the past year. I don't feel like trying anymore. :\
The past few months I've actually been really annoyed at my fertile window and EWCM. I know I can't get pregnant, so it's just bothersome.

Sorry to be such a debbie downer.

Bright side is Netflix got new episodes of Law & Order: SVU!

[remylove1011]

fightersince83 I looked into other options but it seemed like it would cost close to the same to buy each individually. They wanted him to take it in addition to his regular multi. MH's does not have arginine in it. This is what is in it:
Vitamin D 2000iu
Vitamin C 500mg
Vitamin E 400iu
Folic Acid 1000mcg
Zinc 50mg
Selenium 200mcg
Lycopene 10mg
L-carnitine 1000mg

Hoping it helps since it was so expensive. I literally know nothing about Vitamins! I did bite the bullet and get it, since it was what was suggested. I just told MH that it was expensive and he said whatever.

[remylove1011]

Martinis&Medicine You're not being a downer at all! It's a hard thing to go through IF and then to get to the point where you're unsure about IVF or don't want to do it just makes it more complicated. MH is currently against doing IVF, so if we get to that point I will be in the same boat. I'm sorry you're having to deal with this. {{HUGS}}

[bluefairy5]

Big (((hugs))) Martinis&Medicine I'm so sorry you have to go back into CFNBC mode for now. It's completely understandable to feel no desire to try right now.

[Martinis&Medicine]

Thanks bluefairy5, remylove1011, and jennykat .

Remy, I so hope that you don't find yourself in that boat. If you do, you know where to find me. I'm happy to talk, or just vent, anytime. H's family is very against IVF and fertility treatments and I think that's where our main struggle is.

[oceanhutt]

Hi
I just made it over. I had started posting on IF and was lurking and going to intro on this post on 3T this week as shenanigans hit the fan.

DH has been officially diagnosed with Kleinfelters Syndrome since 2006/2007. We were just dating then so while I did my research and knew 3T was in our future we just kept building our life the way we thought we 'should'... My masters, marriage, house then family.

Started TTC in early 2011 when I came off BC, NTNP and then started temping and charting in 2012. Went to OB after significant weight loss for me. SA for DH was of course not good and got pushed to RE. RE has done more SA's and of course told me I have to lose more weight to get to the BMI. Last SA was frozen (50k). DH was on clomid, had a horrible emotional reaction to it. He starts HCG Injects Monday. And we wait while I get the scale to move.

That's a damn novel! Thank you if you got through it

[bluefairy5]

Welcome oceanhutt Sorry to hear YH had an upsetting time on Clomid. I've heard of it making some men ragey. No fun. Hopefully the hCG will be a better course for him.

[sammae]

Hey guys,
I think I'm gonna intro here after our test results from this week. MH is still reeling from his morph results. I guess he thought the first bad result was a fluke? This one was way worse.
MH's Kreuger results were: 26mil count, 62% motile, 1% morph.
Super bad morph. The RE assured MH that it wasn't genetic and that it was most likely due to exposure to some toxin or a congenital issue. MH has really small testicles, so we always kind of wondered if that might play a roll in our IF. I guess it does.
MH has been taking all the vitamins and supplements recommended by the RE since November, as well as cutting out weed and hot baths/hot tubs. He's pretty bummed that none of that worked to bring his numbers up.

Anywho, I'm trying my best to be there for him and understand his frustration with the situation. We're gearing up for IVF+ICSI next month since our chances with IUI are pretty slim with DOR+MFI. I'll lurk around the MFI check ins and keep my eye open for ways I can help MH get through this blow to his "manhood".

Question: is it worth him still abstaining from hot tubs/weed etc through IVF even though it doesn't seem to be improving anything? I don't want him feeling like he's keeping up with lifestyle changes for no reason, and I know he'll do it if it'll improve our odds.

[bluefairy5]

Welcome officially to the MFI side of things sammae. Unfortunately it probably is still a good idea for him to abstain from hot tubs etc., and cut out the weed (or at least keep it majorly cut back). Even with ICSI, it really can't hurt to give them as much as possible to work with, right? That's my thinking with badgering MH not to sit in his gym's sauna even though we're at IVF with ICSI too.

[lemonliz]

Welcome sammae but I'm sorry about the SA results. Gsancho once told me that MFI had some of the best success rates with IVF, so at least you know you're headed in the right direction.

@martinis&Medicine (tag fail, sorry!) hugs for YH not being in the same page yet. Hopefully he comes around soon. PSalso, I might just have to get back on Netflix now! I am an absolute SVU junkie. It's what I turn on when I'm grading so that I have some background noise.



ETA: we triggered last night. We've BD'd every other day and Monday is the IUI. Is it normal to bring the sample in with you? They gave us the option and MH didn't want to take time off work. Also, I went from full EWCM a few days ago to nothing yesterday after adding Cetrotide. I'm assuming on a highly medicated failed IVF cycle that the meds are just messing everything up.

[bluefairy5]

lemonliz Not sure if it's different state to state with regulations, but here in NY, if you're bringing in a home-collected specimen without the partner who produced it, you have to bring his ID and a notarized form stating it's his. I only know this because we live very close to our RE and for IUI #2 I thought I'd be nice and not make MH get out of bed early, but just bring it over myself. Well, I got there and they were like, ".... We can't just take random splooge. Sorry." So I had to text him and get him out of bed anyway, LOL.

[lemonliz]

bluefairy5, they didn't mention any of that! The nurse just called yesterday night and asked me what time Monday morning MH wanted to come in, and whether or not it would be in-office or collected at home. We've done several SAs before and no one ever asked us to bring in a consent or signed forms or anything. Was it just for the IUI that you had to do that?

I guess the plus side is that we will finally get a post-wash count. Never had one of those before. It would be nice to know what we're working with.

Another question. Sorry, no ones gone over this with me before because we were always IVF tracked.

Do I just wait there after I drop the sample off? When do they DO the actual IUI in relation to the sample time.

[bluefairy5]

lemonliz MH did both his SAs on site, so I don't know if that would've been different for consent. I know there are other posters (I honestly forget if on MFI or IUI checkin) who've driven their husbands' specimens over tucked in their bra, so maybe this is just a NY thing? Having experienced that, though, I'd call over and double check with someone, if possible.

Timing at my clinic is IUI officially 90 minutes after specimen delivery, but I feel like when we dropped it off, the andrology lab always had us come back closer to an hour. I live two blocks away so I get to just go home between But I know a lot of couples hang in the waiting room the whole time.

[murrt]

lemonliz my DH always dropped off his sample by 8am, then I went in at 11am for IUI. We just went separately each time. What time is your IUI scheduled?

[sammae]

bluefairy5 Thanks for the welcome and thanks for giving me some "keep behaving" advice to pass on to MH. He rarely believes things I say and likes to hear it from professionals. I consider you guys professionals.

lemonliz That's good to hear about the IVF chances with MFI. The RE told us ICSI would triple our fertilization in MH's case. Now we just need my sad, tired ovaries to get their lazy asses in gear and pop out some eggs!

[lemonliz]

Thanks ladies! Since it was a Saturday evening phone call from the nurse's cell phone, she didn't even mention what time the IUI would be. She just wanted to know what time MH would be able to come in.

He's probably going to have to go in and give his sample there because we don't have a collection container. I assumed we might have had one around here but I must have thrown it away when we got shuffled off to IVF.

[sammae]

lemonliz Good luck with the IUI tomorrow! My FX for you that you'll get something good out of being converted!

[remylove1011]

lemonliz Good luck with the IUI tomorrow.
oceanhutt Welcome! Sorry you find yourself here.
sammae sorry for the bad news with the new SA! {{HUGS}}

[murrt]

jennykat sorry your DH hasn't taken on the lifestyle changes yet. Most of us will tell you that's pretty normal for the guys. My DH has a step forward, step back on this. He's taking medication and vitamins, and seeing his doctor, but limiting alcohol, eating healthy and exercising is harder for him. As time goes by, he gets better, then takes a step back again. I think it just takes them time to realize it truly is a problem that he CAN do something about. As we all know, IF can make us feel helpless. Lifestyle changes can empower us, but I feel like most guys try to do the minimum to get by...thinking of COURSE we'll get preggers very soon, and then I can go back to my briefs, liquor, etc.

I've gotten DH to agree to (in theory) stop drinking once we start stimming for IVF, and he's lessened his intake a bit, but I'll take what I can get. The thing that resonated with him was me asking him "What would you do if I were pregnant and drinking right now? You'd be pissed right? Well, you should think of it like you are carrying our child now...because you are with your sperm. And once you transfer it to me and I start carrying the baby, you can drink again and I can't."

One of the other brilliant ladies here positioned it to me that way and it kind of worked with DH. Good luck!