So in the trailer for next week, who is the guy who "has a gift" for Ramsay?
And the last scene, that's a flashback right? It's got Bran and the old man standing and watching.
Not sure who he is, but my first thought on the "gift" was maybe we're about to see Rickon again? I hope it's not him! But that was the first thing that came to mind.
And yes, I believe that was a flashback to Ned. Probably not long before he found Lyanna...
So in the trailer for next week, who is the guy who "has a gift" for Ramsay?
And the last scene, that's a flashback right? It's got Bran and the old man standing and watching.
Not sure who he is, but my first thought on the "gift" was maybe we're about to see Rickon again? I hope it's not him! But that was the first thing that came to mind.
And yes, I believe that was a flashback to Ned. Probably not long before he found Lyanna...
Not sure who he is, but my first thought on the "gift" was maybe we're about to see Rickon again? I hope it's not him! But that was the first thing that came to mind.
And yes, I believe that was a flashback to Ned. Probably not long before he found Lyanna...
Last we saw Rickon he was with Osha right?
Yes. Headed to the Umber's castle I believe.
Oh!! So if the Umbers are now loyal to the Boltons (well...Bolton singular now) maybe that was an Umber who had a gift for Ramsay.
Oh!! So if the Umbers are now loyal to the Boltons (well...Bolton singular now) maybe that was an Umber who had a gift for Ramsay.
Were the Umbers one of the families he named as allies in that scene with Roose?
The only house confirmed as an ally was Karstarks, but the way he was talking about the Umbers being one of the largest houses in the North made it sound like they were a Bolton ally as well.
Maybe they won't be after finding Rickon?? And the "gift" ends up being a dagger to the heart? I can dream, right?
Were the Umbers one of the families he named as allies in that scene with Roose?
The only house confirmed as an ally was Karstarks, but the way he was talking about the Umbers being one of the largest houses in the North made it sound like they were a Bolton ally as well.
Maybe they won't be after finding Rickon?? And the "gift" ends up being a dagger to the heart? I can dream, right?
Ramsay looks too pleased for it to be a dagger unfortunately. I think they will let him continue as the main hated character for a while.
I know GRRM told the show producers how the series ends so they can complete the series but I wonder if he gave them details of how they get there or if they are just making it up as they go.
So. Why did the characters want to bring Jon back? Where was the motivation to ask/wish for something so implausible?
A very possible explanation that I believed was that Melisandre saw in the flames that Jon was important, more important than Stannis. She fled Stannis specifically to return to Castle Black where Jon was. She was supposed to be on his side; both she and him have a part to play.
But instead she comes back with no reasons (why the hell did she return to Castle Black when she could have moped anywhere??), hides in her room and only comes out because Davos wants her to. This isn't a woman who returned because she knew Jon was important.
Speaking of Davos - Of allllllllll the people Davos has seen killed, why the hell is he so keen on Jon being brought back? Davos would be fighting for Shireen, if anyone.
Is it because only Jon could unite the wildlings with the Southerns to fight againt the White Walkers? The five or so men in that room could have hatched a plan for that because dead is dead as far as anyone is concerned. And Davos is on Stannis' fight, anyway, not the White Walkers.
So. Again. Why did Davos plea to Melisandre to save Jon? I feel like the TV show writers have offered nothing except "because we have to - George RR Martin says we have to." It's bothering me.
Had Melisandre sat in her flames, considered her naked body, swooped in against all the mens' wants for her to touch Jon and insisted on bringing him back, then I would've been like "Yup. Good." But a bunch of people with no purpose asking things that could never be of someone who was liked is weird and floppy story-telling. Sorta like Brienne just showing up at the right moment and the hounds running away.
Lots of recasting. I didn't even notice the Three-Eyed Raven honestly but I did notice Leaf being much older.
So that was an Umber bringing Ramsay a gift. Hopefully Rickon comes with his direwolf, and Ramsay gets a taste of being eaten by dogs. Not how Westeros usually works but a girl can hope.
The only house confirmed as an ally was Karstarks, but the way he was talking about the Umbers being one of the largest houses in the North made it sound like they were a Bolton ally as well.
Maybe they won't be after finding Rickon?? And the "gift" ends up being a dagger to the heart? I can dream, right?
Ramsay looks too pleased for it to be a dagger unfortunately. I think they will let him continue as the main hated character for a while.
I guess I was hoping for the Umbers to pretend to hand over Rickon as a gift but then use it as a distraction and kill Ramsay. So Ramsay would be happy to see his gift, then it could all turn bad for him.
I don't think that's what's going to happen, it would just be nice if it did!
Lots of recasting. I didn't even notice the Three-Eyed Raven honestly but I did notice Leaf being much older.
So that was an Umber bringing Ramsay a gift. Hopefully Rickon comes with his direwolf, and Ramsay gets a taste of being eaten by dogs. Not how Westeros usually works but a girl can hope.
YES PLEASE!!! I like that idea even better than Umber just killing him!!! What a turn-around that would be to be eaten by a direwolf after feeding all sorts of people to his dogs!
The fact that it is Umber does mean we could potentially see Rickon again. That's definitely where Rickon and Osha were headed when they split from Bran.
joy - You said yourself in your post "A very possible explanation that I believed was that Melisandre saw in the flames that Jon was important, more important than Stannis. She fled Stannis specifically to return to Castle Black where Jon was. She was supposed to be on his side; both she and him have a part to play." I feel like this has a strong possibility of being right. That she headed back to the wall because she felt Jon had a bigger role to play but was then pushed further into her "woe is me, I'm useless" hole by the fact that he was now dead when she returned to the wall. As if another vision of hers had suddenly turned out to be wrong. I would think her attitude would change real quick again when she realizes it worked.
As for Davos, he found out Stannis was dead when Melisandre arrived, so he knew he no longer had Stannis' battle to fight. I think he respected Jon for what he tried to do with the Wildlings and still recognizes there is a big battle coming with the Walkers. He doesn't really have anyone else to throw his support behind at this point anymore anyway.
Oh and my cousin should be thanking my co-worker for giving me her HBO Go log-in. Within 5 minutes of me waking up this morning I get a text from my cousin "Woohoo!! I knew she'd bring him back!!"
Are you kidding me??? No warning, no "hey did you watch last night?", nothing. Just BAM!! Good thing I stayed up so late to watch!!! I would have been fucking livid!!!
Post by peaseblossom55 on May 2, 2016 9:18:07 GMT -5
I loved last night's episode. I am so glad they didn't drag out the whole John Snow is dead thing. I love Varys & Tyrion together, the banter is great. I am enjoying this way more than TWD so far.
LadyNymeria - Melisandre isn't acting that way, though. She's acting dead inside, over herself and like she knows nothing.
And it was Davos that asked. Davos. Why does Davos care? I don't think he does. I think him asking was a way to get the plot where it needed to be, not from any desire we've been shown.
My point is much more that I think Jon's revival (all good epics need a Jesus) will make great sense with character motivation in the books. On the show? Eh.
Forgive me, I've only read the first book and it was looooooong ago, so I don't remember much. But the only two left after the Tower of Joy scene were Ned Stark and Howland Reed? And isn't there some theory floating around out there about Jon Snow and Meera Reed being twins? One sent with Ned and one with Howland after they found Lyanna in the tower?
I'm just rehashing stuff, I know, so feel free to ignore me! But it got me all excited for the possibility of getting more info on Jon's parentage, and maybe more on that theory.
LadyNymeria - Melisandre isn't acting that way, though. She's acting dead inside, over herself and like she knows nothing.
And it was Davos that asked. Davos. Why does Davos care? I don't think he does. I think him asking was a way to get the plot where it needed to be, not from any desire we've been shown.
My point is much more that I think Jon's revival (all good epics need a Jesus) will make great sense with character motivation in the books. On the show? Eh.
I agree. I feel like the show is rushing a lot of story lines and just making it up as they go because they know the end game. They are more concerned about what looks good on camera rather than what makes sense for the characters.
Forgive me, I've only read the first book and it was looooooong ago, so I don't remember much. But the only two left after the Tower of Joy scene were Ned Stark and Howland Reed? And isn't there some theory floating around out there about Jon Snow and Meera Reed being twins? One sent with Ned and one with Howland after they found Lyanna in the tower?
I'm just rehashing stuff, I know, so feel free to ignore me! But it got me all excited for the possibility of getting more info on Jon's parentage, and maybe more on that theory.
I've heard the Jon and Meera being twins theory, and they even look alike on the show (at least their hair does), but I can't decide how much I believe that theory. I could see it being possible, but I haven't been able to really jump on board like with R+L=J. Although if there's supposed to be 3 heads of the dragon, and the 3rd isn't Tyrion, it has to come from somewhere.
And yes, Howland Reed was the only one left after Tower of Joy with Ned Stark.
Forgive me, I've only read the first book and it was looooooong ago, so I don't remember much. But the only two left after the Tower of Joy scene were Ned Stark and Howland Reed? And isn't there some theory floating around out there about Jon Snow and Meera Reed being twins? One sent with Ned and one with Howland after they found Lyanna in the tower?
I'm just rehashing stuff, I know, so feel free to ignore me! But it got me all excited for the possibility of getting more info on Jon's parentage, and maybe more on that theory.
Forgive me, I've only read the first book and it was looooooong ago, so I don't remember much. But the only two left after the Tower of Joy scene were Ned Stark and Howland Reed? And isn't there some theory floating around out there about Jon Snow and Meera Reed being twins? One sent with Ned and one with Howland after they found Lyanna in the tower?
I'm just rehashing stuff, I know, so feel free to ignore me! But it got me all excited for the possibility of getting more info on Jon's parentage, and maybe more on that theory.
I've heard the Jon and Meera being twins theory, and they even look alike on the show (at least their hair does), but I can't decide how much I believe that theory. I could see it being possible, but I haven't been able to really jump on board like with R+L=J. Although if there's supposed to be 3 heads of the dragon, and the 3rd isn't Tyrion, it has to come from somewhere.
And yes, Howland Reed was the only one left after Tower of Joy with Ned Stark.
But if R+L=J, why not R+L=J & M? Lyanna sends Jon with Ned, Meera goes with Howland and becomes known as Meera Reed?
LadyNymeria - Melisandre isn't acting that way, though. She's acting dead inside, over herself and like she knows nothing.
And it was Davos that asked. Davos. Why does Davos care? I don't think he does. I think him asking was a way to get the plot where it needed to be, not from any desire we've been shown.
My point is much more that I think Jon's revival (all good epics need a Jesus) will make great sense with character motivation in the books. On the show? Eh.
Yea, good point. I guess I just wasn't really paying any attention to the WHY they would want to bring him back and just focused on the fact that I wanted him to be brought back.
I've heard the Jon and Meera being twins theory, and they even look alike on the show (at least their hair does), but I can't decide how much I believe that theory. I could see it being possible, but I haven't been able to really jump on board like with R+L=J. Although if there's supposed to be 3 heads of the dragon, and the 3rd isn't Tyrion, it has to come from somewhere.
And yes, Howland Reed was the only one left after Tower of Joy with Ned Stark.
But if R+L=J, why not R+L=J & M? Lyanna sends Jon with Ned, Meera goes with Howland and becomes known as Meera Reed?
Just thinking out loud here.
She def looks more like Jon than Jojen, but who knows.
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