I don't think he cared whether or not she could handle him. He's too selfish for that. I'll only go as far to say that he probably didn't realize how twisted Ramsay was, but he had to have an inkling with how many spies he had.
I think he saw it as a win-win. Either Ramsey tortures her to death and it's another Stark gone. Or. He doesn't and he stays on Ramsey's "good" side....
I don't think he wanted Sansa gone though. I just don't think he cared once she served his purpose. He tends to play both sides, feeding info to Queen of Thorns and Cersei, handing over Sansa to the Boultons.
And just having left Winterfell before Rickon arrived.
Son of a B! Double the missed Stark connections!
Although even if I knew Rickon was on his way I would have still left and tried to find a way back to rescue him. Doesn't help anyone if we are both prisoners being tortured.
Anyone else LOL at Jon's modesty pose when he woke from the dead? Hey I'm alive! Davos, don't look at my junk.
We all noticed haha! In that we were paying close attention
I did love their physical acting then. The looks on their faces- especially Jon was so intense. Kit Harington did a good job of looking confused, surprised and then utterly terrified.
Anyone else LOL at Jon's modesty pose when he woke from the dead? Hey I'm alive! Davos, don't look at my junk.
Didn't he have a little sheet over his junk right before he woke up?
At the end of episode 2 when Melisandre was trying to bring him back he had a piece of cloth draped over him. As soon as he sat up in this episode it was gone.
Anyone else LOL at Jon's modesty pose when he woke from the dead? Hey I'm alive! Davos, don't look at my junk.
We all noticed haha! In that we were paying close attention
I did love their physical acting then. The looks on their faces- especially Jon was so intense. Kit Harington did a good job of looking confused, surprised and then utterly terrified.
Yes! I thought Kit Harrington was excellent right then. Portrayed "holy shit I was killed why am I breathing" very well.
I was thinking about it this morning, I can't imagine Melisandre asking Jon what he saw after death was for the hell of it. I feel like realizing there is nothing after would really change someone and how they approach their life. It already has since he is walking away from the Night's Watch, but I'm expecting big changes from his character.
Oh and who was the "Oathbreaker" (episode title). My thought is Umber because his house is supposed to have sworn allegiance to the Starks and he just handed over Rickon. I assume they don't mean Jon because really he's not breaking his vows - he died, that fulfills his vows, and he can go on his way.
I was thinking about it this morning, I can't imagine Melisandre asking Jon what he saw after death was for the hell of it. I feel like realizing there is nothing after would really change someone and how they approach their life. It already has since he is walking away from the Night's Watch, but I'm expecting big changes from his character.
What did he see?
NOTHING.
Jon Snow knows the nothing. Get it? I feel like this is important.
I was thinking about it this morning, I can't imagine Melisandre asking Jon what he saw after death was for the hell of it. I feel like realizing there is nothing after would really change someone and how they approach their life. It already has since he is walking away from the Night's Watch, but I'm expecting big changes from his character.
What did he see?
NOTHING.
Jon Snow knows the nothing. Get it? I feel like this is important.
Never would have even thought about the play off the "You know nothing Jon Snow". Doubt it's a coincidence and agreed that it feels important.
In the show, do we still have the story line of Mance Raydar's son? I can't remember, but I feel like they skipped that part. So is Gilly's son actually her son?
Shaggy Dog being dead was the worst part of the whole episode. I don't think there is hope for Rickon at this point. Sansa's dog was killed and it severed her bond to the Stark family, but that is not what is happening here.
In the show, do we still have the story line of Mance Raydar's son? I can't remember, but I feel like they skipped that part. So is Gilly's son actually her son?
I don't know anything about this so that means it was left out of the show so far. So I would assume we're supposed to just assume Gilly's son is actually her son with Craster.
Post by peaseblossom55 on May 9, 2016 8:41:30 GMT -5
I was so annoyed they continue with Bran and the Tower story line last night I really hoping they would continue with that.
I'm becoming bored for Arya's storyline though. I want her to go back to being Arya Stark. I feel like I really need to reread the books. It's been awhile.
Shaggy Dog being dead was the worst part of the whole episode. I don't think there is hope for Rickon at this point. Sansa's dog was killed and it severed her bond to the Stark family, but that is not what is happening here.
Jon Snow's ripped back, though...BEST part.
I'm concerned about the wounds in his chest. I assumed they would heal suddenly, like Wolverine, when he was brought back to life.
Maybe it just takes time. Beric Dondarrion was covered in scars from each of the times he died. Maybe now that Jon's body is alive again they'll start healing.
I was thinking about it this morning, I can't imagine Melisandre asking Jon what he saw after death was for the hell of it. I feel like realizing there is nothing after would really change someone and how they approach their life. It already has since he is walking away from the Night's Watch, but I'm expecting big changes from his character.
unless they play the "that's what was meant to happen" angle. Like the Old Gods knew he would be killed but Melasandre would bring him back. So The Gods didn't ever let him "cross over" (or whatever) after he died. His soul went into Ghost and waited to be put back into Jon...so he got to see nothing of the afterlife because it wasn't the "plan". That's a reach, I know. Just throwing out ideas.
There are so many things to think about!! I love that this show gives so much to discuss!
I'm over the high sparrows. In what world does the King not have final authority? I think they should put a bounty On all sparrows, let the people start killing them off for me.
Henry VIII and his marriage to Catherine of Aragon. He had no say, no rights, no words. It was the Pope and only the Pope who could dissolve his marriage.
When Anne came along, she encouraged him to take over as "pope" of his own religion. Hence, the monarch of England is now in charge of the Church of England.
Shaggy Dog being dead was the worst part of the whole episode. I don't think there is hope for Rickon at this point. Sansa's dog was killed and it severed her bond to the Stark family, but that is not what is happening here.
Jon Snow's ripped back, though...BEST part.
Shaggy Dog was heartbreaking. I was hoping he'd come trotting in behind Umber - chained up, but alive. I need them to leave the direwolves alone. I will break things if anything happens to Ghost.
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