Thanks ironbaby, thechickencoop, and butlerfan. I have a feeling he will try to talk us out of it. I don't know what I'll do.
What? Why?
Because of the risks that come with twins? He didn't seem so keen on the idea from the very first consult we had. Not necessarily with me, but in general. Still waiting on him to call. 🙄
Because of the risks that come with twins? He didn't seem so keen on the idea from the very first consult we had. Not necessarily with me, but in general. Still waiting on him to call. 🙄
But...huh? Isn't it common to transfer two? And even so...they would still transfer ONE, correct?
Because of the risks that come with twins? He didn't seem so keen on the idea from the very first consult we had. Not necessarily with me, but in general. Still waiting on him to call. 🙄
But...huh? Isn't it common to transfer two? And even so...they would still transfer ONE, correct?
Yes, at least one will be transferred. I just would've thought if he had objections, he would've voiced them weeks ago when I turned in the paperwork with the request for 2.
And I'm not sure how common it is to transfer 2 instead of 1. I may ask him what the ratio is in his clinc.
But...huh? Isn't it common to transfer two? And even so...they would still transfer ONE, correct?
Yes, at least one will be transferred. I just would've thought if he had objections, he would've voiced them weeks ago when I turned in the paperwork with the request for 2.
And I'm not sure how common it is to transfer 2 instead of 1. I may ask him what the ratio is in his clinc.
I got the impression from my (old) clinic that it was pretty common to transfer two. Like they were going to think I was weird when I would have requested only one be transferred, if we had done our IVF cycle. Unless there are some specific health concerns for you with twins, I would think that transferring two would be fine. Good luck with the conversation... let us know how it goes.
Post by nerdykitten on Nov 9, 2016 17:04:53 GMT -5
*grad lurking*
Actually depending on your age most clinics don't recommend transfering two embryos anymore, but some are more strict about it than others. My RE didn't try to talk us out of the two, but she had recommended transferring one in the beginning of the process based on age. Also remember that those two could become three or four in the end which is another reason more clinics are leaning away from two at a time.
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Actually depending on your age most clinics don't recommend transfering two embryos anymore, but some are more strict about it than others. My RE didn't try to talk us out of the two, but she had recommended transferring one in the beginning of the process based on age. Also remember that those two could become three or four in the end which is another reason more clinics are leaning away from two at a time.
Thanks. I'm sure that's something he will bring up as well, if he ever fricken calls me. I have already thought about all of the potential problems and still would like to transfer 2. I'm peeved he's waiting until the day before transfer to talk to me about it
Post by easilyunamused on Nov 9, 2016 18:24:11 GMT -5
Welp he strongly disagrees with putting 2 embryos in, and I feel like it's hard to go against his medical opinion. So 1 it will be. There are serious high risks with a multiples pregnancy. Can't deny that.
@yaga I wish I knew an answer to your Clomid question, but I’m sorry that it isn’t doing its job. jense927 Honey I’m so, so sorry for the not-so-great news. I can’t imagine how hard it is to have an unusual case and have such limited options that aren’t so promising. Don’t feel like you need to be rational right now if you don’t want to. daisy818 Sorry for CD1 cjchio Hurry up CD1! I hope you end up not needing provera. butlerfan YAY for licensing and being all set! easilyunamused I’m sorry that you got blindsided by a last minute change, even if you and your doctor can agree on why. Too many wrenches are thrown into our plans, you know? Rama FX that your natural O cycles are all it takes, friend. Feel those feels no matter what, we are here for ya. BurritosAtEveryMeal I hope time flies until January when you can get the ball rolling again, and that the time in between is restful and enjoyable! @sparky85 welcome to our kind of bummer club, but I’m glad you chose to jump in. wannabmama Come on O, no more hold ups on anything, please RajahMD I’m sorry you find yourself with us, but I’m glad you joined in. It’s honestly so hard to decide how far you will go, and where to start. You struggle with obviously wanting to pay the least money and have the least intervention, but failed cycles suck and we want to skip to success as fast as possible! thechickencoop I’m frustrated with you about YH — have you talked about it more? I agree that it doesn’t make sense financially and isn’t a necessity. ceejay I hope your new RE is supportive and understanding of your wishes, and is a total opposite change from your last RE. It’s so hard to struggle through what your foster sons must be going through, big hugs. ironbaby Love for you, save up that emotional energy I’m glad you and YH are on the same page, take care of yourselves.
AFM, just normal life and using hippie hand soap without chemicals. Honestly, I just want to hug you guys so hard right now. Because healthcare as we have come to know it might change soon and I know that will inevitably hit many of us pretty hard. Ugh. As if the universe weren’t already unfair enough.
I am sending ALL of my prayers and thoughts that that cheeto grandpa doesn’t have ANY impact on our journeys to motherhood.
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Welp he strongly disagrees with putting 2 embryos in, and I feel like it's hard to go against his medical opinion. So 1 it will be. There are serious high risks with a multiples pregnancy. Can't deny that.
While I can see his point the day before his not the time he should've told you that he should've told you before. I feel that was a shitty move. . I'm sorry that you're dealing with this right now.
Thanks, I'm pretty blindsided about it. But I've decided that if I have to do another FET if this one doesn't work, I will for sure transfer 2.
So the MFM just called me and she is talking to a specialist in NYC who has seen cases like mine before and he has offered to look at my US scans. I am going in for a specialty US next week so he has the scans he is looking for. I am excited for a little glimmer of hope. At the very least I am humbled by the lengths my providers (RE and MFM) are going to get me care.
So the MFM just called me and she is talking to a specialist in NYC who has seen cases like mine before and he has offered to look at my US scans. I am going in for a specialty US next week so he has the scans he is looking for. I am excited for a little glimmer of hope. At the very least I am humbled by the lengths my providers (RE and MFM) are going to get me care.
Oh, I so hope that you hear even more glimmers of hope. Your docs sound great for valuing this chance for you so much!
So the MFM just called me and she is talking to a specialist in NYC who has seen cases like mine before and he has offered to look at my US scans. I am going in for a specialty US next week so he has the scans he is looking for. I am excited for a little glimmer of hope. At the very least I am humbled by the lengths my providers (RE and MFM) are going to get me care.
Awesome! I hope the new specialist can finally give you some better options! Good luck:)
Post by thechickencoop on Nov 10, 2016 12:24:51 GMT -5
Can we talk about testing out triggers for a sec? I tested yesterday, trigger was last wed eve, and it was negative. I mean...I should still see something normally, right?
Can we talk about testing out triggers for a sec? I tested yesterday, trigger was last wed eve, and it was negative. I mean...I should still see something normally, right?
Anecdotes:
When I was NOT using progesterone, my trigger was out on 10DPO. I don't know how much earlier it was out bc I waited til 10dpo to test.
On subsequent cycles WHILE using progesterone, the trigger seems to hang out a little longer. I have gotten squinters at 10 or even 11 dpo.
I always trigger 36 hours before IUI, so 2 days before O, meaning I tested out at 12dpt.
It also depends on how many units were in your trigger and how fast you metabolize it. It's not unusual for it to be out by 7dpo.
Can we talk about testing out triggers for a sec? I tested yesterday, trigger was last wed eve, and it was negative. I mean...I should still see something normally, right?
TTC since July 2014. CP March 2015. IVF #1 March 2016, 5R, 3M, 2F with ICSI. Transferred 2 on day 3. CP. Surprise BFP and then CP August 2016 (prep cycle for IVF). IVF #2: zero eggs retrieved IVF #3: 6R, 5M, 5F, 3 (2 8A and 1 11A) transferred, one "B" graded embryo frozen on day 5. BFP (at home 7dp3dt, confirmed 14dp3dt with 1552 beta) and U/S at 5w5d, 2 sacs and 2 yolks!
My RE wants to see if my cycle starts within 10 days. If not, then we move to meds. He doesn't want to just throw me on meds quite yet, which is ok with me.
So, the wait continues.
Eta: I thought I posted about it, but it doesn't look like I did. I called Wednesday to tell them my cycle still hadn't started. He wanted to see since my cycle was long last month, if for some reason it was doing the same this month, so he ordered a blood draw to retest if I am ovulating or not. If it came back with a surge, he was fine with seeing what happened, and of not, then he would give me provera.
I had my consultation appointment this morning with the new RE at the other RE clinic in my area. And ... it was AMAZING. It was like night and day from our other clinic. This RE was personable, knowledgeable, helpful, really listened to our concerns and wishes, asked us what we didn't like about our experience at the other clinic so she could make sure the same things didn't happen here, offered suggestions and ideas...... I could go on and on. It was so refreshing to talk with someone who knew what she was talking about and acknowledged that our request for a freeze all cycle (which the other clinic basically refused and didn't help us with at all) was a perfectly normal and reasonable request given our situation. So regardless of what we pursue going forward, we are DEFINITELY sticking with this clinic and definitely done at the old place.
The downside of the appointment is that I found out that this clinic doesn't have an in-house embryo donation program like I thought they did. The RE was very familiar with embryo adoption/donation and very encouraging and supportive of our wishes to pursue that, but she explained that we would have to acquire the embryos ourselves, through either a national embryo adoption organization or privately. So, if we did want to pursue that route, we would either have to find a private donor and arrange that ourselves, or pay the fees and go through the "adoption" process with one of the embryo adoption organizations. Both of which are definitely doable, but may be expensive and may take a while.
The RE also brought up a new idea that we hadn't previously heard of or considered, after she asked us what our hesitations were with traditional IVF, and we had voiced some concerns about what to do with extra embryos. She told us that something they do fairly regularly for people with that concern is a regular IVF cycle but then they only fertilize a small number of the eggs retrieved and freeze the remaining eggs. Then they use/freeze the embryos from that cycle, with the expectation that only a few (1-3) will make it to freeze. Then the extra eggs are frozen and can be later fertilized if needed. If pregnancy is achieved with the first one or two embryos, then no extra embryos would need to be created. H and I both felt more comfortable about this IVF idea, even though the cost would be slightly higher if the first few embryos didn't work, but really not a huge difference in cost. The new RE also seemed very confident that if we were interested in doing that type of IVF, we could definitely get a freeze all cycle in before the end of the year (for insurance purposes) but we'd have to move quickly and start ASAP.
So here's the dilemmna. I still feel more drawn to embryo adoption, even though the route to it would have to be more complicated than I was originally anticipating. A few weeks ago, H had totally agreed that he was okay with doing embryo adoption and not having any biological children. But after today's appointment, he's changed his mind and really wants to do this type of IVF cycle with this clinic. I feel torn, because I had been (and still am) very excited about embryo adoption more than traditional IVF, but H so rarely has had any opinion about our IF journey (besides to say we can do whatever I want to do), so I feel like I should respect his input here. But obviously IVF is much more physically demanding on me than him, and I know he would respect my decision if I didn't want to do it.
So.... what do you guys think? I don't know what to do, and we have to decide ASAP if we want to try to squeeze this in. Regardless of what we decide, I feel a thousand times better working with this clinic than our last one, but now I just don't know what route to pursue.
So the MFM just called me and she is talking to a specialist in NYC who has seen cases like mine before and he has offered to look at my US scans. I am going in for a specialty US next week so he has the scans he is looking for. I am excited for a little glimmer of hope. At the very least I am humbled by the lengths my providers (RE and MFM) are going to get me care.
That is fantastic. I hope the new mfm has good things to say after they see the new scans.
I had my second accupuncture session today, and I am wiped out. She warned me that I might be tired, but I was not expecting to be too tired to stand at the stove to make chili without having to sit down.
ceejay I'm soooooo happy to hear the good news of having a better RE. My suggestion is to digest this information, take tonight to talk about it and discuss with each other, pray about it, and sleep on it. This new information is a lot to take in and just taking 24 hours to digest it will make things (hopefully) easier to decide on.
Do you do 1 IVF cycle in hopes of a biological child and then also look at embryo adoption for future pregnancies?
I know some of these depend on what happens foster care wise.
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ceejay I'm soooooo happy to hear the good news of having a better RE. My suggestion is to digest this information, take tonight to talk about it and discuss with each other, pray about it, and sleep on it. This new information is a lot to take in and just taking 24 hours to digest it will make things (hopefully) easier to decide on.
Do you do 1 IVF cycle in hopes of a biological child and then also look at embryo adoption for future pregnancies?
I know some of these depend on what happens foster care wise.
This is very good advice. Thank you. We've already decided if we did go through with this IVF cycle, we would only try it once. If unsuccessful, we would move to embryo adoption. We'll take the next couple days to think things through. I think if we decide by Monday that would probably be okay.
It just feels like everything related to our IF treatments (and our foster care case) has been these rushed decisions for the past few months. So I think that's contributing to my hesitation... I'm tired of rushing and squeezing things in at the last minute. But I do feel so much more confident in the treatment and communication and literally everything about this clinic, which I think would help me not feel so rushed and overwhelmed.
ceejay, I am so happy your consult made you feel better and that you got the attention you deserve.
I echo the idea to sleep on this information before making any decision.
However, you asked for advice, so I will give mine, but please know this is just my opinion and I support any decision you come to. If my husband felt strongly about biological children, that would override any concerns I had about the personal struggle of going through the IVF. It seems the RE has a great solution to assuage your concerns while still giving your husband the option to get what he wants.
No matter your decision, I am sending you strength and wisdom as you navigate the choice.
Post by easilyunamused on Nov 11, 2016 12:43:40 GMT -5
Transfer went well yesterday. I'm officially PUPO! I feel absolutely nothing, but I'll remain positive. Betas are a week from Monday. Eeek! I'm debating on if I should just go beta or bust.
Transfer went well yesterday. I'm officially PUPO! I feel absolutely nothing, but I'll remain positive. Betas are a week from Monday. Eeek! I'm debating on if I should just go beta or bust.
Transfer went well yesterday. I'm officially PUPO! I feel absolutely nothing, but I'll remain positive. Betas are a week from Monday. Eeek! I'm debating on if I should just go beta or bust.
Congrats on being PUPO! Keeping everything crossed for you!
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