If LO is on 3 naps...

[gratefulgirl]

What's your schedule like roughly?

We are running into the "too long in bed" trap at night because she gets overtired trying to stretch wake-times during the day. That is leading to 4, 5, or 6 a.m. parties (sometimes multiple of them). I need to sanity check our new 3 nap schedule and see if I can fix this.

[hannahbear]

Dec 5, 2016 10:09:05 GMT -5 gratefulgirl said:

What's your schedule like roughly?

We are running into the "too long in bed" trap at night because she gets overtired trying to stretch wake-times during the day. That is leading to 4, 5, or 6 a.m. parties (sometimes multiple of them). I need to sanity check our new 3 nap schedule and see if I can fix this.

Same. We are stuck at 5am wake up. I'd lovvve to move it to 6!!

[joy]

What do you mean by the "too long in bed" trap?

Mine is still in the four nap stage (8am, 11am, 2pm, 4pm - all -ish). She goes to bed at 7pm and gets up between 6am and 7am.

[redhead610]

Wake up is anywhere from 7-9 am -never consistent. First nap is often on the go! Or about 2 hrs after wake up if we're home. Long afternoon nap around 1:30. Short nap around 5:30. Last bottle around 8:30, followed by bed. We do 5 bottles per day, so at wake up and then after naps, plus bedtime. He often wakes a couple times in the motn/early morning for his pacifier.

[pbandjelly]

I would love to be on a schedule that goes by times. Rather, DS gets up between 7 and 9 am and is up for 90 min before his next nap. He's still on the eat, activity, sleep routine over the course of 2.5 hours. I would love to get him to consolidate his naps, but he still takes 5 to 6 naps a day.

[dc2london]

She usually gets up around 8, naps from about 930-1030/11, naps from about 1230/1-330, takes a cat nap anywhere between 5 and 6, then down for the night at 730

[gratefulgirl]

Dec 5, 2016 14:38:17 GMT -5 joy said:

What do you mean by the "too long in bed" trap?

Mine is still in the four nap stage (8am, 11am, 2pm, 4pm - all -ish). She goes to bed at 7pm and gets up between 6am and 7am.

"Too long in bed trap" is a term I got from reading Ferber's book years ago. It means DD3 is in her crib more hours than she can physically sleep. So she wakes up MOTN because she is undertired.

Yet during the day if I try to stretch her wake times out so she is awake during the day, she gets overtired.

It's a temporary problem I'm sure, but I sure would love to fix it. Plus I figure all of us will likely go through the 3 nap stage at some point.

I'm aiming for something like a 7:30-8 a.m. wake-up, which makes time for preschool drop off. Then naps that are something like 2 hours apart, maybe a little closer together in the morning and a little further apart at bedtime the way babies usually like. In the morning she seems fine. By night she is demanding to go to bed closer to an hour after wake-up and then we have our problem again.

[joy]

Dec 5, 2016 15:26:45 GMT -5 gratefulgirl said:

"Too long in bed trap" is a term I got from reading Ferber's book years ago. It means DD3 is in her crib more hours than she can physically sleep. So she wakes up MOTN because she is undertired.

Yet during the day if I try to stretch her wake times out so she is awake during the day, she gets overtired.

It's a temporary problem I'm sure, but I sure would love to fix it. Plus I figure all of us will likely go through the 3 nap stage at some point.

I'm aiming for something like a 7:30-8 a.m. wake-up, which makes time for preschool drop off. Then naps that are something like 2 hours apart, maybe a little closer together in the morning and a little further apart at bedtime the way babies usually like. In the morning she seems fine. By night she is demanding to go to bed closer to an hour after wake-up and then we have our problem again.

Gotcha.  I'm no help - I'm sorry!  I hope you figure it out.

[meagpt22]

gratefulgirl my schedule probably won't help. This week DS has turned into his sisters habits. Which is poor napper means great night time sleep..for now.
6:30 wake him up, eats
8:45-9:15 nap
Eats
11:15-12:30
Eats
2:30-3:30 (sometimes shorter or happens later)
Eats
5-6 melts the F down, won't let anyone put him down without screaming. Which means I cook dinner with two kids crying.
6-6:15 calms down
6:15 bath, feeds, bed

So since starting this lovely nap schedule he started sleeping 12 hours. My DD did this too until she went to one nap and then started taking 2 hour naps. Daycare ruins naps in the baby class for my kids.
Sorry our nap schedule will not help your DD.

[gratefulgirl]

meagpt22 - at least you have the 2 hour waketimes . So sorry for the screaming evenings. May they pass soon!

[meagpt22]

Dec 5, 2016 16:50:13 GMT -5 gratefulgirl said:

meagpt22 - at least you have the 2 hour waketimes . So sorry for the screaming evenings. May they pass soon!

I remember DD was like this too in the evenings until about 5 months or so. At least the screaming is short lived.

[dc2london]

Dec 5, 2016 15:26:45 GMT -5 gratefulgirl said:

Dec 5, 2016 14:38:17 GMT -5 joy said:

What do you mean by the "too long in bed" trap?

Mine is still in the four nap stage (8am, 11am, 2pm, 4pm - all -ish). She goes to bed at 7pm and gets up between 6am and 7am.

"Too long in bed trap" is a term I got from reading Ferber's book years ago. It means DD3 is in her crib more hours than she can physically sleep. So she wakes up MOTN because she is undertired.

Yet during the day if I try to stretch her wake times out so she is awake during the day, she gets overtired.

It's a temporary problem I'm sure, but I sure would love to fix it. Plus I figure all of us will likely go through the 3 nap stage at some point.

I'm aiming for something like a 7:30-8 a.m. wake-up, which makes time for preschool drop off. Then naps that are something like 2 hours apart, maybe a little closer together in the morning and a little further apart at bedtime the way babies usually like. In the morning she seems fine. By night she is demanding to go to bed closer to an hour after wake-up and then we have our problem again.

When I need to stretch the time between the last nap and bedtime, I give her an extra long bath. It keeps her happy but calm, even when she is tired.

[dc2london]

Dec 5, 2016 18:30:55 GMT -5 meagpt22 said:

Dec 5, 2016 16:50:13 GMT -5 gratefulgirl said:

meagpt22 - at least you have the 2 hour waketimes . So sorry for the screaming evenings. May they pass soon!

I remember DD was like this too in the evenings until about 5 months or so. At least the screaming is short lived.

Dinner cooking hour is insane at my house now. S1 needs to do his homework, S2 is trying to convince me to give him snacks, and DD wants to be held.
When I saw the Instant Pot half off on Amazon last week I snapped one up.

[meagpt22]

Dec 5, 2016 19:20:38 GMT -5 dc2london said:

Dec 5, 2016 18:30:55 GMT -5 meagpt22 said:

I remember DD was like this too in the evenings until about 5 months or so. At least the screaming is short lived.

Dinner cooking hour is insane at my house now. S1 needs to do his homework, S2 is trying to convince me to give him snacks, and DD wants to be held.
When I saw the Instant Pot half off on Amazon last week I snapped one up.

I can not image throwing homework into the mix!

[hannahbear]

Question about the too long in bed trap: how does that fit with sleep begets sleep?

E had three naps at daycare today- but one was almost 3 hours long!!!!

[gratefulgirl]

Dec 5, 2016 20:19:14 GMT -5 hannahbear said:

Question about the too long in bed trap: how does that fit with sleep begets sleep?

E had three naps at daycare today- but one was almost 3 hours long!!!!

It's like this tricky delicate balance. At the newborn phase too long in bed basically doesn't exist. But once your kid starts to wake up and need a certain minimum amount of wake time it can exist. DD3 seems to need somewhere between 7.5 and 8 hours total daytime awake time (plus night feeds) or else she just isn't tired enough. Some kids will be a little more and some a little less.

I hate waking my kids from naps but if it messes with night sleep I will do it. So far DD3 has limited her longest naps to about 2 hours, which seems fine. It's just stretching her later in the day wake times that is a problem.

[hannahbear]

Dec 5, 2016 20:45:56 GMT -5 gratefulgirl said:

Dec 5, 2016 20:19:14 GMT -5 hannahbear said:

Question about the too long in bed trap: how does that fit with sleep begets sleep?

E had three naps at daycare today- but one was almost 3 hours long!!!!

It's like this tricky delicate balance. At the newborn phase too long in bed basically doesn't exist. But once your kid starts to wake up and need a certain minimum amount of wake time it can exist. DD3 seems to need somewhere between 7.5 and 8 hours total daytime awake time (plus night feeds) or else she just isn't tired enough. Some kids will be a little more and some a little less.

I hate waking my kids from naps but if it messes with night sleep I will do it. So far DD3 has limited her longest naps to about 2 hours, which seems fine. It's just stretching her later in the day wake times that is a problem.

Interesting. I think E was up for 8 hours today. So we shall see how the night goes!!

[hummingbird125]

Our genera 3 nap schedule looks like this:

Awake at 8am
Nap 10-11:30
Nap 1:30-3:00
Nap 4:45/5-5:30/5:45 (I will wake up up from this nap to preserve bedtime
Bedtime 8:30

On a day where he wakes up for good extra early (like today at 6:30), or if he takes a too-short nap, I need to squeeze in an extra catnap before his last nap.