Pumping now so I can go to yoga in a few! The class is from 1:30-3 so I need to leave a bottle for D.
After that we will be taking my sister and her bf to the airport. Their flight doesn't leave til like 8 something but that is right in the middle of the AFC Championship game so...no. They get to go to the airport super early and we will be home with plenty of time til kickoff. #priorities
Post by goldenlove3 on Jan 22, 2017 14:08:03 GMT -5
Hi ladies! We went on our second outing with C to Kohl's. He did really well! He slept through part of it but wanted out of his car seat once he woke up so H and I took turns holding him. He was just looking around at everything the whole time. They had a baby sale so I bought some 9 month stuff. We're going to go from a shit ton of 3 and 6 month clothes to hardly any 9 month so I hope he stays in 6 month for a while. I don't want to buy too much 9 since I have no idea what the weather will be like once he gets there.
goldenlove3 I remember that DS, who was a big/fast-growing baby, was in 6 month sizes much longer than 3 or 9 month stuff. 9 month was literally a hot minute. I'm interested to see if C is the same.
I need to get some more daytime stuff in 6-month for C. It's been so warm here, I don't like keeping her in footed stuff during the day like I did with B.
kleigh I forget, does Adeline like to be swaddled? I've started wrapping C right before she nurses for the last time. (I was nursing and then swaddling, but it caused her to wake up too much). If she's already swaddled, I can put her down asleep or drowsy/close to sleep and she'll usually stay down.
Also, you can try inclining the crib mattress a bit by putting some folded towels or similar underneath. I know several mom's in my other BMB did that successfully.
kleigh we are lucky that these people are the parents of kids in O's daycare. Just by chance O and these 3 boys became almost like a clique and they're parents are cool.
I did do some mommy groups with O and met a handful of people. It was nice going through it the first time being able to talk about sleep and feeding as much as you want. Everyone else is kinda nervous too, so you should just dive in. Before you know it, you'll find something you like and feel comfortable with.
Post by ClassyMrsA on Jan 22, 2017 15:22:27 GMT -5
kleigh We didn't even try sleep training until Lillian was 10 months and then we didn't have much success until later when she was ready at more like 15 months. Generally speaking I go with the "if it's working and everyone is happy, no need to try and change it because someone else says you should" plan. I had a lot of anxiety about sleep with Lillian. The moms I met then were all about sleep training at 4 months, started solids at 4 or 5 months, etc. I felt like I was failing because Lillian took naps on me, we mostly coslept, and she nursed to sleep every single time. But, you know, it worked for us and now she falls asleep on her own just fine most of the time and she sleeps in her own bed 90% of the time. Lilah is different, she's a better sleeper, but I'm still following her lead. My maybe UO is I don't believe in "bad habits." I don't see an issue with nursing or rocking to sleep. It's only an issue if it doesn't work for you. If it is, then yeah, you can slowly ease them into a different pattern. There are lots of books out there with various "gentle" methods of sleep training.
LizInFL Absolutely no, they've hated swaddling since they were born literally. Like the hospital nursery nurses were like "yeah they don't really care for the swaddle". I can sometimes get a swaddle on her for daytime naps if she's the perfect level of drowsy but usually she won't accept it and cries until hers arms are free but then cries because her arms flail and it wakes her.
ClassyMrsA and danib So is what I'm attempting considered "sleep training"?? My only real goal is to get them to sleep somewhere besides our arms. They are still sleeping in our arms overnight and as they get heavier and larger and move about more, it just makes me a little more uncomfortable. Like length of sleep is not my concern, just place of sleep. So is that still sleep training? If so, maybe I should wait until after the 4 month regression since I would hate to have to pick this back up after we think we got them to sleep in a crib/PNP.
My above statement raises a question, maybe someone has the answer. How come they don't have the startle reflex in our arms? They don't wake themselves while falling asleep in our arms, only if laid down by themselves.
Post by ClassyMrsA on Jan 22, 2017 17:21:06 GMT -5
kleigh It's not sleep training in the traditional sense, no. But, I think transitioning to a different sleeping arrangement follows the same principles as gentle sleep training. Like I said, if it isn't working for you then you can use those strategies to help them sleep better somewhere else. I'd recommend The No-Cry Sleep Solution by Elizabeth Pantley, The Baby Sleep Book by the Sears Family, and The Happiest Baby Guide to Great Sleep by Harvey Karp.
ETA: I second @sarahwithanh's suggestion of the Halo sleep sack. I also have the Summer Infant version. You can swaddle with arms out, but it gives the sensation of being wrapped up in think. It helped us transition Lilah out of the swaddle.
My above statement raises a question, maybe someone has the answer. How come they don't have the startle reflex in our arms? They don't wake themselves while falling asleep in our arms, only if laid down by themselves.
And we aren't holding their arms or anything
I've always heard its the sense of falling that causes the startle reflex when babies are being laid down. Apparently humans are born with 2 innate fears...falling and loud noises. Everything else is learned.
Post by jubilantsquirrel on Jan 22, 2017 17:37:14 GMT -5
kleigh, I would look into Baby Merlin's Magic Sleep suit. We used it when we moved DS1 from the bassinet to his crib at around 3.5 months. Also, FWIW, DS1 never went through any of the sleep regressions. He could just be a super special snowflake who loves sleep, but we never experienced any of that with him.
@sarahwithanh Yeah I've tried the sleep sacks and I personally love them (so nifty) but again they don't like them. Actually I just had to take her out of a sleep sack (but not even the ones with the fold over/Velcro/button arms - this one is just a sack)... Apparently she's now protecting even her feet being loosely joined in a sack.
jubilantsquirrel I've heard of the magic Merlin sleep suit! I'll google and check it out.
ClassyMrsA I was actually handed down the happiest baby book! I started to read and then... Babies... I'll pick it up and see if I can get anything out of it.
Post by goldenlove3 on Jan 22, 2017 23:00:44 GMT -5
So sometimes C will be sleeping then let out a really sad, long cry. It's usually just one and he stops but he seems so sad after. Is he dreaming or could it be something else? Sometimes it seems to be a reaction to a noise (once it was me sniffling). Does anyone else's kid do that?
So sometimes C will be sleeping then let out a really sad, long cry. It's usually just one and he stops but he seems so sad after. Is he dreaming or could it be something else? Sometimes it seems to be a reaction to a noise (once it was me sniffling). Does anyone else's kid do that?
D does something similar. She'll give one cry, eyes still closed, and her face looks super sad, with her forehead creased and the most exaggerated pouty lower lip. Eventually it smooths out and she goes back to just looking like a regular sleeping baby. I've always just assumed it was dreaming.
kleigh, I would look into Baby Merlin's Magic Sleep suit. We used it when we moved DS1 from the bassinet to his crib at around 3.5 months. Also, FWIW, DS1 never went through any of the sleep regressions. He could just be a super special snowflake who loves sleep, but we never experienced any of that with him.
Not sure how you managed to dodge those bullets but I'm jealous. We had the 4 month sleep regression hell and teething. I drank a lot of wine back then.
I really don't know either. We honestly hesitated on having a second because we knew there was no way we could get that lucky again. And so far this new kid is very much the opposite of DS1 sleep wise.
Post by sophiegrace on Jan 22, 2017 23:24:16 GMT -5
@sarahwithanh tomorrow is the big day? I'll be sending all good thoughts your way with extra heaps of love for Monty. I really hope this is the magic ticket for him.
So sometimes C will be sleeping then let out a really sad, long cry. It's usually just one and he stops but he seems so sad after. Is he dreaming or could it be something else? Sometimes it seems to be a reaction to a noise (once it was me sniffling). Does anyone else's kid do that?
D does something similar. She'll give one cry, eyes still closed, and her face looks super sad, with her forehead creased and the most exaggerated pouty lower lip. Eventually it smooths out and she goes back to just looking like a regular sleeping baby. I've always just assumed it was dreaming.
I wonder what they could be dreaming about that would make them react that way. I feel so bad for the poor kid!
Post by sophiegrace on Jan 22, 2017 23:37:05 GMT -5
kleigh I'm right there with you on the attempt to get better at the sleeping thing. It's so hit or miss and I can't tell you the last time she's napped off of me for an actual amount of time. I got Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child. Read half of it and put it back on the shelf with zero intention to ever pick it back up again. It's all CIO and pretty much promises that if you don't make your child CIO they'll never sleep well on there own, even as adults. No. Just NO. I can't. Mia is challenging. By the end of the day I'm drained. But I'm ok with it. Whatever the reasoning is, she obviously needs me and so I'm going to give her that.
Anyway, I think she and AV are secret long distance BFFs. They seem to be made of the same sassy thread.
I'll be thinking of you and M tomorrow @sarahwithanh!!
I have a sleepy girl next to me who is ready to go back in the pnp. But she smiles in her sleep every time I pet her head. How can I put her back when she's so happy next to me? Sigh. I will anyway because otherwise my hips hurt being next to her all night.
kleigh I'm right there with you on the attempt to get better at the sleeping thing. It's so hit or miss and I can't tell you the last time she's napped off of me for an actual amount of time. I got Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child. Read half of it and put it back on the shelf with zero intention to ever pick it back up again. It's all CIO and pretty much promises that if you don't make your child CIO they'll never sleep well on there own, even as adults. No. Just NO. I can't. Mia is challenging. By the end of the day I'm drained. But I'm ok with it. Whatever the reasoning is, she obviously needs me and so I'm going to give her that .
Anyway, I think she and AV are secret long distance BFFs. They seem to be made of the same sassy thread.
Totally 200% agree!
Everyone tells me that she needs to be put down and this and that. Ok well she screams usually when I do that. I'm not gonna let the girl cry and scream until she starts hyperventilating - so darn upsetting that there are people telling me this that think it sounds healthy.
Not sure how you managed to dodge those bullets but I'm jealous. We had the 4 month sleep regression hell and teething. I drank a lot of wine back then.
I really don't know either. We honestly hesitated on having a second because we knew there was no way we could get that lucky again. And so far this new kid is very much the opposite of DS1 sleep wise.
Ha I was in fear all 9 months of this pregnancy knowing this baby couldn't sleep better than his older sister. DD also never had teething troubles the only way we knew was she didn't like us to brush her teeth. So I am sure this kid will pay us back in spades.
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