I shouldn't have said anything 😩😩 it took over an hour to get her down for her afternoon nap. Lol that is what I get!!
Noooo!!
So DS2 napped for a whole 10 minutes in the 7 hours he was at daycare today. Awesome. I got him to nap for just under an hour when he got home and he went down for the night 10 minutes ago. I really need to get some solid nap training going and get them on board. 10 minutes is...not sufficient for a 4 month old.
Bedtime tonight seemed like it was going to go the same way as last night...I fed DS2 and propped him up on my shoulder to burp him. This is where he normally would pass out, but last night started crying and fussing immediately and escalated into about a half hour of wailing. He started to do the same tonight, so I put him straight in his crib vs trying to rock and console him and he stopped crying immediately. He started sucking on his fist and settled right in. Win?
britta I was having trouble with naps at daycare and when I asked they said he was falling asleep in the play area and he would wake up when they moved him. So I suggested they put him down every 2 hours or if they see him drowsy. I told them his cues and wrote them down. Somehow it's better now so I think they just were waiting for him to cry or something to be put in bed. I had to tell them he wouldn't do that- just put him down by time.
britta I was having trouble with naps at daycare and when I asked they said he was falling asleep in the play area and he would wake up when they moved him. So I suggested they put him down every 2 hours or if they see him drowsy. I told them his cues and wrote them down. Somehow it's better now so I think they just were waiting for him to cry or something to be put in bed. I had to tell them he wouldn't do that- just put him down by time.
Thanks. I was going to ask how people addressed naps with their DCPs. I just sort of...let it go with DS1 because he was such a good sleeper for me at home.
I'm going to inquire more tomorrow at drop off, but I suspect he's falling asleep in the swing or something and he's waking when they transfer him. I want to suggest something along the lines of what you're saying. We also have the "baby is a belly sleeper at home" issue too, so we'll see. DS1 also had that problem.
Post by erien22846 on Feb 22, 2017 22:47:35 GMT -5
I dropped off milk at daycare today at 10 am and they were loading the babies into strollers for a walk. DS2 was the only one protesting. I jokingly said something about him being the troublemaker and the teacher said they were all fussy because none of them had napped yet. Omg! I just wanted to scream "my baby needs to nap!" I can't imagine trying to get 5 overtired babies to nap at once. I try not to tell people how to do their jobs, but how can they not prioritize naps in the infant room?
Post by vavavictoria on Feb 23, 2017 7:03:15 GMT -5
Well when I posted earlier in the week that maybe I was done with the sleep regression, that was a lie. C's sleep has progressively worsened and she was up every 2.5 hours last night. I feel like at least the 11pm feeding was BS and she barely ate and it was more for comfort. I would prefer to wait a bit longer before doing CIO but I'm close to breaking and doing it. I'm so tired 😴
I dropped off milk at daycare today at 10 am and they were loading the babies into strollers for a walk. DS2 was the only one protesting. I jokingly said something about him being the troublemaker and the teacher said they were all fussy because none of them had napped yet. Omg! I just wanted to scream "my baby needs to nap!" I can't imagine trying to get 5 overtired babies to nap at once. I try not to tell people how to do their jobs, but how can they not prioritize naps in the infant room?
Same. I struggle too because DS2 is the youngest in the class currently, by probably 6 months. In the spring I suspect there will be a mass transition and there will be more infants, instead of young toddlers, and I'm hoping that will help the balance a little. It's probably difficult to cater to the demands of a young newborn while chasing after kids that are walking and such. Idk.
Well when I posted earlier in the week that maybe I was done with the sleep regression, that was a lie. C's sleep has progressively worsened and she was up every 2.5 hours last night. I feel like at least the 11pm feeding was BS and she barely ate and it was more for comfort. I would prefer to wait a bit longer before doing CIO but I'm close to breaking and doing it. I'm so tired 😴
Do it while you're at your breaking point! One good night of sleep and you'll be willing to wait.
We had a bad night as well. It was weird though because when he woke up to eat at 10:30 he was ravenous- drained both sides. I ignored him when he woke up another time and he went back to sleep. Then he ate at 4:30 and woke at 6. My shit head cat also woke me up so I'm feeling pretty tired. And I have to give presentations all day to large groups of people.
I dropped off milk at daycare today at 10 am and they were loading the babies into strollers for a walk. DS2 was the only one protesting. I jokingly said something about him being the troublemaker and the teacher said they were all fussy because none of them had napped yet. Omg! I just wanted to scream "my baby needs to nap!" I can't imagine trying to get 5 overtired babies to nap at once. I try not to tell people how to do their jobs, but how can they not prioritize naps in the infant room?
Same. I struggle too because DS2 is the youngest in the class currently, by probably 6 months. In the spring I suspect there will be a mass transition and there will be more infants, instead of young toddlers, and I'm hoping that will help the balance a little. It's probably difficult to cater to the demands of a young newborn while chasing after kids that are walking and such. Idk.
It's their job though. We all live in shitty states where the ratio is high as well. It's 4:1 in his class so there's 8 infants and 2 teachers. They shouldn't be doing nap all together- they should be going by the needs of each child. It might be hectic but timely sleep, timely feeding, and timely diapering are needs typically protected by the state. So I wouldn't hesitate to bring it up with the teacher and the director if needed.
becole you're not wrong. I think I'm going to work hard on him putting himself to sleep for naps while he's home with me over the next week before I approach it with them. It'd be great to be able to say, "All you have to do is lay him in his crib 2 hours after his last wake up and he'll put himself to sleep." If that doesn't happen though we'll need to come up with a plan together.
They said at drop off this morning what I suspected. They're letting him fall asleep in the swing and whatnot and then he wakes when they move him.
becole you're not wrong. I think I'm going to work hard on him putting himself to sleep for naps while he's home with me over the next week before I approach it with them. It'd be great to be able to say, "All you have to do is lay him in his crib 2 hours after his last wake up and he'll put himself to sleep." If that doesn't happen though we'll need to come up with a plan together.
They said at drop off this morning what I suspected. They're letting him fall asleep in the swing and whatnot and then he wakes when they move him.
Yeah they need to catch those sleepy cues and transfer him before he goes to sleep. This daycare doesn't allow swings for that reason.
Post by macaronmama on Feb 23, 2017 9:19:29 GMT -5
Reading all that you are saying about naps makes me feel like a clueless mom - DS has been doing all his naps in his RNP sleeper during the day. Are crib naps really that necessary at this point, or will it get harder to transition him to crib naps later? He settles himself decently after some initial fussing in the swing.
becole you're not wrong. I think I'm going to work hard on him putting himself to sleep for naps while he's home with me over the next week before I approach it with them. It'd be great to be able to say, "All you have to do is lay him in his crib 2 hours after his last wake up and he'll put himself to sleep." If that doesn't happen though we'll need to come up with a plan together.
They said at drop off this morning what I suspected. They're letting him fall asleep in the swing and whatnot and then he wakes when they move him.
Yeah they need to catch those sleepy cues and transfer him before he goes to sleep. This daycare doesn't allow swings for that reason.
Oh my gosh, really? Ours are allowed swings, but they're not allowed to sleep in them (or bouncy seats, etc). As soon as they catch them sleeping they have to move them to their crib. I think because of concerns with proper body alignment possibly interfering with breathing, etc.
I'm over here just kind of jealous that my kid actually falls asleep in the swing at daycare. He hasn't done that for me since he was brand new. 😒😐
Reading all that you are saying about naps makes me feel like a clueless mom - DS has been doing all his naps in his RNP sleeper during the day. Are crib naps really that necessary at this point, or will it get harder to transition him to crib naps later? He settles himself decently after some initial fussing in the swing.
I think it's personal preference? I think with anything, the older they are the more difficult it is to break "bad" habits. Old habits die hard, right?
Reading all that you are saying about naps makes me feel like a clueless mom - DS has been doing all his naps in his RNP sleeper during the day. Are crib naps really that necessary at this point, or will it get harder to transition him to crib naps later? He settles himself decently after some initial fussing in the swing.
At some point your kid will outgrow the rnp- so it will have to happen. I work hard on crib naps because my DS goes to a daycare where they sleep in a crib on their back with no blanket or swaddle. So that's what I got him used to with me patting and shooshing. That way he didn't have to learn the hard way at daycare (crying or no nap.)
Yeah they need to catch those sleepy cues and transfer him before he goes to sleep. This daycare doesn't allow swings for that reason.
Oh my gosh, really? Ours are allowed swings, but they're not allowed to sleep in them (or bouncy seats, etc). As soon as they catch them sleeping they have to move them to their crib. I think because of concerns with proper body alignment possibly interfering with breathing, etc.
I'm over here just kind of jealous that my kid actually falls asleep in the swing at daycare. He hasn't done that for me since he was brand new. 😒😐
They don't allow bouncers/ exersaucers- they're not allowed to fall asleep in them and they're supposed to be switched from one device to another every 3 minutes in order to keep their 5 star rating with the state. So they just don't have them. They call them containment devices- basically stunts them learning naturally to roll/ crawl/ walk. It's Montessori... but I kinda like it because then the teachers have to actually entertain them and not just stick them in something. My oldest went to a different daycare and they let him sleep in the swing and they would put kids in the exersaucer to keep them out of their hair- almost like time out. So I think the directors just nip all that in the bud and remove the ability.
Reading all that you are saying about naps makes me feel like a clueless mom - DS has been doing all his naps in his RNP sleeper during the day. Are crib naps really that necessary at this point, or will it get harder to transition him to crib naps later? He settles himself decently after some initial fussing in the swing.
At some point your kid will outgrow the rnp- so it will have to happen. I work hard on crib naps because my DS goes to a daycare where they sleep in a crib on their back with no blanket or swaddle. So that's what I got him used to with me patting and shooshing. That way he didn't have to learn the hard way at daycare (crying or no nap.)
Well, he will nap in the PNP on his back, it's just not as long. I believe he also naps primarily in the crib at daycare as opposed to a swing - it's an in home provider. I know she has a swing for naps. Maybe we'll try some crib naps this weekend and see how it goes. Feel so clueless now, our pedi never asked about his napping habits at the 4mo appointment, just his night sleep.
At some point your kid will outgrow the rnp- so it will have to happen. I work hard on crib naps because my DS goes to a daycare where they sleep in a crib on their back with no blanket or swaddle. So that's what I got him used to with me patting and shooshing. That way he didn't have to learn the hard way at daycare (crying or no nap.)
Well, he will nap in the PNP on his back, it's just not as long. I believe he also naps primarily in the crib at daycare as opposed to a swing - it's an in home provider. I know she has a swing for naps. Maybe we'll try some crib naps this weekend and see how it goes. Feel so clueless now, our pedi never asked about his napping habits at the 4mo appointment, just his night sleep.
It's up to you. If it's not broke, don't fix it. But eventually he'll be too large for the rnp.
I can't believe babies can go all day without napping or just nap a few min!! Makenna gaps for about 4-5 hours broken into 3-4 naps!
Last night she slept through the night, it's been a very long time she since has slept through the night with zero wakeups. But it must have thrown her off her schedule. I tried putting her down for her nap at usual time (1 hr 15 min after wake up) and it took TWO HOURS to get her to sleep. My nerves are shot. I tried everything to get her to sleep. It just goes to show a baby who has been putting herself to sleep for naps for 4.5 months can suddenly stop for no reason at all and that is probably just completely normal!
Hugs to all the DC mommas wanting their babies to get more sleep at DC. I'm sure it's very stressful knowing they need the sleep but not being there to make sure they get to sleep!!
vavavictoria DD went through a "sleep regression" at 3.5 months for two weeks. Then she slept good for a week. Then had another crap two weeks. I want to say we are out of the woods as on Monday but I'm afraid to say that now. I know the sleep regression is because of multiple reasons so it makes sense that maybe it would be sporadic. I think the latest issues with wakeups was that she had mastered rolling and just wants to roll around 🙄 and if definitely got worse before it got better.
macaronmama DD was doing all of her naps in RNP until she learned to roll in it. Scariest moment ever was checking her on the monitor and seeing she was face down in RNP, this was before I realized she knew how to roll. Even when I tried to use the seatbelt she could still turn her face around into head pad. NOPE! We had to quickly transition into crib.
Post by vavavictoria on Feb 23, 2017 14:14:53 GMT -5
danizee based on what you are saying we are in that second part. And she just turned 4 months. Ugh. I'm really looking forward to it being over. I don't remember a sleep regression with #1 at all around 4 months. She did develop some issues later but this sucks.
Post by iwantbacon on Feb 23, 2017 15:01:06 GMT -5
macaronmama I still put DS2 in the RNP to nap, even though he's almost always slept in crib or pack and play. I figure it gets him to nap at all, which is better than DS1 who thought naps were evil until he was 18 months
OK so how are the babies sleeping. Who has sleep trained for what kind of waking? When are you planning on it for what kind of sleep? Are you also breaking all other crutches like swaddle, merlin, binky when yiu skeep train? DD2 is waking every 4 hours and not going back down without nursing. I've read 4 hours is their lightest phase of sleep, so I feel like it is more sleep related than hunger. But I also feel incredibly guilty making her cry, even with the checks, so I've been stalling. Especially with just a liquid diet. So I was considering starting some solids too. Which I already know, some people say to wait until 6 months. Tell me what is going on in your household.
Eta but she goes down really well right after nursing which makes me second guess if it is hunger. But the girl is 17 lbs. She should be able to go longer than 4 now right??
I have no experience sleep training infants, since both of mine seem to have been magical unicorn babies who figure their shit out pretty quickly. DD isn't the greatest with naps...she can put herself to sleep fairly quickly (5-15 minutes) but will only sleep 45 minutes ish, However she does make it up for it overnight. In the past 2 weeks she's only woken up one time overnight, and she was HANGRY.
Sleep training the toddler has been an interesting experience. Little harder to contain, but makes me feel better because he understands what is going on and what I want from him.
OK so how are the babies sleeping. Who has sleep trained for what kind of waking? When are you planning on it for what kind of sleep? Are you also breaking all other crutches like swaddle, merlin, binky when yiu skeep train? DD2 is waking every 4 hours and not going back down without nursing. I've read 4 hours is their lightest phase of sleep, so I feel like it is more sleep related than hunger. But I also feel incredibly guilty making her cry, even with the checks, so I've been stalling. Especially with just a liquid diet. So I was considering starting some solids too. Which I already know, some people say to wait until 6 months. Tell me what is going on in your household.
Eta but she goes down really well right after nursing which makes me second guess if it is hunger. But the girl is 17 lbs. She should be able to go longer than 4 now right??
I feel like this is where we are with DS. He wakes every 3-4 hours and he is so obviously very hungry. He will scream-cry himself silly if we don't feed him, and while I don't mind staying in bed if he's just fussing, if he's actually crying, well, I'm not ready to let him CIO. I know he can go the whole night without because he's done it before (last... Wednesday? He only did one wakeup for feed instead of 3).
As for the habits, It seems we've managed to break the full swaddle habit, because he's been doing swaddle with arms out for a week now and seems a lot happier and more comfortable with it. We are still using a paci here though.
Our night sleep is fine right now. DS2 goes down between 7 and 8, depending on the timing of his last nap, and sleeps till anywhere from 4:30-6:30am. He eats and then we put him back in his crib. He talks, grunts, or sometimes fusses himself back to sleep until anywhere from 7:30-8:30. We're fine with this.
Naps are fresh hell. We attempted to do some nap training this weekend and was really hit or miss. For every nap, he cried at least 20 minutes before falling asleep, sometimes up to 40. I was going back in every 5-10 minutes and patting and shooshing. I picked him back up and rocked him once on one of the longer cries. I guess we just have to KOKO with this? I really thought after 3 days of training we'd be getting better, but I think it's getting worse. He wouldn't even go back to sleep this morning, which is not like him. I fed him at 5:30, put him in his crib at 5:50-at first he was talking, by 6 he was fussing, and by 6:10 he was full on wailing. Convinced I needed to let him work it out, I stayed out of his room until I couldn't stand it at 6:45. Patted and shooshed, he settled, whined a few more times and was finally quiet by 7. Like, is this wrong??? Is he too young for this? I don't know what to do.
We have no "habits" to break. He doesn't (consistently) use a paci, swaddle, or sleep sack of any kind.
Our night sleep is fine right now. DS2 goes down between 7 and 8, depending on the timing of his last nap, and sleeps till anywhere from 4:30-6:30am. He eats and then we put him back in his crib. He talks, grunts, or sometimes fusses himself back to sleep until anywhere from 7:30-8:30. We're fine with this.
Naps are fresh hell. We attempted to do some nap training this weekend and was really hit or miss. For every nap, he cried at least 20 minutes before falling asleep, sometimes up to 40. I was going back in every 5-10 minutes and patting and shooshing. I picked him back up and rocked him once on one of the longer cries. I guess we just have to KOKO with this? I really thought after 3 days of training we'd be getting better, but I think it's getting worse. He wouldn't even go back to sleep this morning, which is not like him. I fed him at 5:30, put him in his crib at 5:50-at first he was talking, by 6 he was fussing, and by 6:10 he was full on wailing. Convinced I needed to let him work it out, I stayed out of his room until I couldn't stand it at 6:45. Patted and shooshed, he settled, whined a few more times and was finally quiet by 7. Like, is this wrong??? Is he too young for this? I don't know what to do.
We have no "habits" to break. He doesn't (consistently) use a paci, swaddle, or sleep sack of any kind.
Well Ferber recommends using the scheduled intervals where they get longer each day. Otherwise, it can cause baby to cry more/ longer because they know you're coming back at some point. You can make things worse, unfortunately. For my oldest, we had to do CIO with no check ins. He was just too stubborn and any coming in the room just basically started the timer all over again.
becole it's hard to say. A couple times checking in and patting and shooshing helped him, others they didn't. No rhyme or reason.
Fucking sleep training. Why did you have to be a unicorn DS1?? I don't know wtf I'm doing.
ETA: Also, and this may not be popular, but I guess I'm kind of ok with doing my own thing.
Quoting myself because really idk know what the hell I'm doing.
Question becole or anyone else...so if going back in to check on him on my own schedule is teaching him that I'm coming back eventually, wouldn't checking in at ANY intervals also teach him that? Legit, no snark intended.
Although, I'm pretty sure my kid needs full on extinction, so it's probably a moot point.
I'm sorry. This shit is so confusing and frustrating.
becole it's hard to say. A couple times checking in and patting and shooshing helped him, others they didn't. No rhyme or reason.
Fucking sleep training. Why did you have to be a unicorn DS1?? I don't know wtf I'm doing.
ETA: Also, and this may not be popular, but I guess I'm kind of ok with doing my own thing.
Quoting myself because really idk know what the hell I'm doing.
Question becole or anyone else...so if going back in to check on him on my own schedule is teaching him that I'm coming back eventually, wouldn't checking in at ANY intervals also teach him that? Legit, no snark intended.
Although, I'm pretty sure my kid needs full on extinction, so it's probably a moot point.
I'm sorry. This shit is so confusing and frustrating.
This is why I would recommend reading the book. They have explanations for all this stuff, with examples of different kids problems. IIRC, the longer intervals keep them from being able to anticipate that you're coming back. The thought (and hope) is that they learn to put them self to sleep during the interval where you're not with them. Sometimes that happens between the 3rd and 4th check, other times after the 7th. The thought is that you're giving them the space and time to fall asleep by themselves but also are reassured that mom is close by. That she does hear baby. It's just giving them the space to figure it out. But check ins just piss off some babies. I'll see if I can find the book and screen shot you some of it. Really chapter 4 is great. It's all you would need.
Again, really I think I just need to leave him be. He's a persistent like thing. But his brother was too. We had to let him CIO twice in his life, but he was much older. (Like 15 months and 2 yo)
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