I have a panty liner sitting right next to my phone charger and have picked it up like 5 times today thinking it was my phone. And it's still sitting there.
I legit just listened to Hamilton (one song) for the first time because of everyone's "You Don't Have The Votes" posts.
I've never listened to any of it and only know the basics about it. I'm sure it's great, but it can't be "spend a mortgage payment in ticket prices" great.
I think I've avoided it because I'm still so sad I didn't go see it at The Public before it BLEW UP when my friend warned me. Note to self - next time [friend] tells you something is going to be huge and you need to go see it ASAP, fucking see it ASAP before the NY Times reviews it. We were pregnant and I was lazy and sigh.
lovemyirishtwins @katechristine18 pixiepink24 I've also heard "Catholic Twins" used on occasion, which I find extremely offensive. The assumption being that Catholics don't use birth control and have a ton of children born closely in age. These terms have origins in America dating back to the waves of Irish immigrants in the early to mid 1800's, and then Catholic immigrants from the rest of Europe in the latter part of the 19th Century. Those terms were not meant to be cute or endearing, they were part of the racism, xenophobia, and anti-Catholicism sentiment of the time. Xenophobia is obviously still rampant today, and only in the past generation or so has anti-Catholicism become less mainstream.
TL;DR - the phrase may seem innocuous at first glance; however I have some pretty strong feelings about how it continues to be used today. Especially by and in reference to previously subjugated and disenfranchised groups.
For an embarrassingly long time I thought the phrase "Indian giver" referred to the fact that the US would grant soveign status to tribes and then be all like, "oh wait, we need that land for farming". I also wrote a paper in high school about a Streetcar Named Desire and referred to Stanley as a "pollack" and was totally taken aback when I got in trouble over it.... definitely taught me to be a little more careful about using terms that have a racial/ethnic element to them.
Since we are talking childhood geese stories... here's mine. I grew up on a farm so we had two running around. Well... one day apparently both decided to be assholes. The pinned me against the garden gate and pecked at my clothes and flapped their wings on me. Sure a couple of the pecks pinched me but it more just startled me. Asshole geese.
Oh....and my rooster chased me around the farm one afternoon to and no shit, my grandpa picked up a gun and shot the thing....as it chased me. Just glad my grandpa was a good shot.
I don't think the term Irish twins is generally considered an insult? At least not by me or the other Irish people I know. My mom's parents who were 100% Irish always used the term positively about their kids. I grew up in a very Irish Catholic part of Chicago and at my school being Irish twins was something really cool. My brother and I are 15 months apart and we were pissed to have missed the cut off. Idk, among the people I know it was always considered #goals to have lots of kids close together.
I don't think the term Irish twins is generally considered an insult? At least not by me or the other Irish people I know. My mom's parents who were 100% Irish always used the term positively about their kids. I grew up in a very Irish Catholic part of Chicago and at my school being Irish twins was something really cool. My brother and I are 15 months apart and we were pissed to have missed the cut off. Idk, among the people I know it was always considered #goals to have lots of kids close together.
This makes me feel better. I feel like a big ass especially since it is my screen name on here.
DH's Irish family always uses the term. I had not heard of it before his grandfather called my kids Irish twins. He is also 100% Irish. But I am not and I really do not want to offend anyone.
I always thought of the term as something innocuous like German embarrassment, going Dutch, Irish Goodbye, Russian Roulette... maybe that last one is offensive though? lol I have no idea.
I have a panty liner sitting right next to my phone charger and have picked it up like 5 times today thinking it was my phone. And it's still sitting there.
sharebear05, I actually don't consider those terms to be offensive either. Going Dutch I thought referred to Dutch doors being split in half, also see double Dutch. Irish goodbye = leaving without a fuss as to not interrupt the party, also known as the French exit. German embarrassed refers to a term in German that doesn't exist in English, being embarrassed on someone else's behalf. Using the term German embarrassed is actually a credit to the German language for having more words to describe emotions. I just don't agree that every reference to a specific culture or country is pejorative.
I only post in parenting on the tv show threads. *snip*
I didn't make a Survivor thread this week because they talked about it in the randoms already. I felt like as little of a group we have that watches the show that it might feel redundant? But anyway, if you want to discuss with me I'm all ears!
sharebear05 I totally see your point and don't want to be the person defending cultural stereotypes, I just don't know anyone IRL offended by those terms. I'm sure there are people out there offended by those things even if I think it's a stretch. Maybe I should rethink that. I do stand by my original post that Irish twins is a loving, positive, term in the eyes of every Irish person I personally know. If it had negative origins, it seems to be embraced now (at least by the people I know.)
Post by lovemyirishtwins on Mar 24, 2017 23:26:32 GMT -5
All of this talk makes me very sorry to have shared my insecurities with a name I chose to describe my children and myself.
I thought it was a good place to share my vulnerabilities. I have drank way too much because it is my birthday. I spent the evening out celebrating with the people that love me after the hardest year of my life.
But still I come back to this and it all makes me so sad.
lovemyirishtwins, enjoy your birthday weekend and your nice birthday gift (I know your point about the pump, but that is NOT a gift) sans guilt! I'm glad you had fun last night and you deserve that.
I have never thought twice about your sn and I would not spend one more second stressing about it. There has been a good dialogue with many interesting points made, but you are using the term in a loving way to describe your own sweet kids (of Irish origin) and I think that's fine.
I've never listened to any of it and only know the basics about it. I'm sure it's great, but it can't be "spend a mortgage payment in ticket prices" great.
I think I've avoided it because I'm still so sad I didn't go see it at The Public before it BLEW UP when my friend warned me. Note to self - next time [friend] tells you something is going to be huge and you need to go see it ASAP, fucking see it ASAP before the NY Times reviews it. We were pregnant and I was lazy and sigh.
DH worked on the show at the Public and I still didn't go see it. I was really pregnant and my restless legs were tired of sitting in theater seats for hours without a break. And, I don't really like musicals.
Since then, I've heard snippets of the soundtrack and not really regretted missing it.
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