AW - officially cancelled

[tumbleweed]

lemonliz I posted in the IVF thread -- but wanted to say it here too. So sorry -- ugh - this sucks. I'm crossing fingers that the IUI does it for you. 5 follies is 5x the normal number of targets...so FX!

ronniesgirl I'm also at sirm and did the bcp/lupron overlap approach this cycle. My first cycle I did no bcp or lupron, my second cycle I did bcp but no lupron. So, I guess we'll see how this goes.

[cinzink]

lemonliz I just wanted to stop and say I'm so sorry. Hopefully IUI will work. FX for better news and results soon.

[sportschick79]

I'm DOR and for all three of my cycles I was on 225 Gonal and 225 Menupur (split between a morning and a night injection). We did the best on our third IVF when we swapped to microdose Lupron. We got 14 eggs, 12 mature and got 4 frosties.

[disneykate]

No advice, but I just wanted to say I'm sorry you had to cancel.

[lemonliz]

Thank you so much everyone! In the words of Ketchup and Monkey, I "lurve" you guise. Thanks for all the FX for the IUI.

emmuffy, I'm definitely going to ask about EPP. I saw a list of approaches on a RE's website (I can find the link) where it looked like EPP was one step more aggressive than MDLF, and then they had one sort of combo approach. Something to think about, for sure.

RN1175, I'm not ready for DE discussions yet, either! Actually, I might not be open to that at all. Hopefully your second opinions will give you better options! And yes, definitely let me know what their suggestions are.

ronniesgirl you are a fountain of knowledge, thanks for sharing so much insight! My RE also told me that BCP does not suppress. Interesting about the male hormones and DOR; I did not know that. I didn't think my dosage was too high, either. It seemed like a good "starting" point but he held me at those doses based on my E2 response which up until today was great. I like the analogy of "rocket fuel."

fightersince83, we are not out the IVF fee! Just meds and u/s+b/w costs but that's nothing compared to the clinic's cost.

bluefairy5, yes, the 5 weeks of BCP was totally just for scheduling. I just happened to get AF super early in December.

k1111k glad to hear this cycle is better! Doubling is awesome, and yay for ER on Monday MH's sperm isn't a great candidate for IUI either, which is why we went straight to IVF. But, might as well do that rather than nothing as long as we've got these eggs just hanging around. RE didn't give me specific measurements because when he called he was calling to cancel that point but he said my biggest follicle was on my left, which is my good side. Since my progesterone was rising today I'm guessing I started the Cetrotide too late which is why I'm triggering tonight.

tumbleweed, interesting that you did the lupron/BCP cycle, too. And true, it is a lot of targets. I'm actually surprised he's letting us do an IUI, but that just speaks to the MFI issue since RE is very averse to multiples.

sportschick79, thanks for the info! 14 is a great response to MDLF. Seems like there is such a varied response to both EPP and MDLF, so there's hope that either one of these protocols will work!

[rainbowbridge14]

I have been out of internet contact and I can only stop in for a minute (and therefore haven't had time to read the responses) but I wanted to say I am so sorry and give you huge (((hugs))). I am thinking of you lady and plan to play catch up and offer whatever support I can for you once I am back in town.

[tumbleweed]

lemonliz do you think your RE might let you do a back to back IUI? Would that help with the MFI? Or, would there not be enough time between the IUIs for the sperm to build up again?


****menion of past bfp /loss mentioned********



To give you some hope: we did get pregnant last year with an IUI, despite only having two follies and with DH having MFI. Everything about the pregnancy was perfect except the chromosomes -- but the important part of my story is that sperm DID reach egg, despite MFI. So, you never know...you might get lucky here! At that point, my H's sperm count was the lowest it could be and still do an IUI. It's gone up since he started the vitamin cocktail - but back then, numbers were not great. I only found that out after the fact; my old RE never even told us that his numbers were low. Our current RE got him on the vitamins and it has definitely helped. We are still MFI, but workable.

[lemonliz]

Jan 17, 2015 19:53:02 GMT -5 tumbleweed said:

lemonliz do you think your RE might let you do a back to back IUI? Would that help with the MFI? Or, would there not be enough time between the IUIs for the sperm to build up again?


****menion of past bfp /loss mentioned********



To give you some hope: we did get pregnant last year with an IUI, despite only having two follies and with DH having MFI. Everything about the pregnancy was perfect except the chromosomes -- but the important part of my story is that sperm DID reach egg, despite MFI. So, you never know...you might get lucky here! At that point, my H's sperm count was the lowest it could be and still do an IUI. It's gone up since he started the vitamin cocktail - but back then, numbers were not great. I only found that out after the fact; my old RE never even told us that his numbers were low. Our current RE got him on the vitamins and it has definitely helped. We are still MFI, but workable.

Thanks for that! He wants us to BD tonight and IUI on Monday. We did yesterday just for kicks (ha, imagine that!). I think it's too late to do BTB-IUI because my progesterone is already on the rise.  

I put MH on a general vitamin that I made sure had the right kind of stuff in it, knowing full well he would not take more than one vitamin a day. We haven't had him tested since he started faithfully taking the multi and wearing boxers, so perhaps that has made some difference! We'll find out on Monday after the post-wash report, I guess.  

ETA: special thanks shout out to rainbowbridge14 and BunnyBerry! You girls rock, thanks for your notes  

I'm going to have a glass of wine tonight. Now that we're converting I feel less guilt about having a glass of wine!  

[k1111k]

Hi lemonliz - I just posted details of my MDL protocol in our informal penguins check-in if you're interested...and hopefully you won't need it after your IUI!

[tumbleweed]

lemonliz i think that sounds like a solid BD/IUI plan! Nice move getting the mulitvitamin in your H.

[k1111k]

Jan 17, 2015 19:23:26 GMT -5 lemonliz said:

emmuffy, I'm definitely going to ask about EPP. I saw a list of approaches on a RE's website (I can find the link) where it looked like EPP was one step more aggressive than MDLF, and then they had one sort of combo approach. Something to think about, for sure.

lemonliz - After my failed October cycle, we started EPP prepping with Estrace late November for a December cycle (that then had to be cancelled due to my huge ovarian cyst found at my December baseline).  That cycle was going to be an EPP/MDLF combo.  

My RE had me stop Estrace the second he spotted the cyst and my body just naturally shrunk the cyst sometime between that day and my January baseline.  So for this cycle, we did no prep/just MDLF.  I do wonder how the combo would have worked for me had we gotten that far with it...

[ttcbabyj]

I'm so sorry the IVF cycle was cancelled...((hugs)) Fx for the IUI.

[vballbaby]

I know I already posted but just wanted to send hugs. I am going to have to go back and reread this thread. It sure seems the MDLF works well for some women with DOR. And is it just me or does everyone seem super happy and sharing a lot more on this board? Maybe it's because there are more women from other boards whom I didn't know but I really like it here! It feels safer and more private from the CB.

[lemonliz]

Jan 17, 2015 23:55:59 GMT -5 vballbaby said:

I know I already posted but just wanted to send hugs. I am going to have to go back and reread this thread. It sure seems the MDLF works well for some women with DOR. And is it just me or does everyone seem super happy and sharing a lot more on this board? Maybe it's because there are more women from other boards whom I didn't know but I really like it here! It feels safer and more private from the CB.

Agreed on that last part vballbaby!

[msugirl]

I'm so sorry IVF didn't work out this time around. Keeping FX for IUI for you though!

[lovegrilledcheese]

I am so sorry about your IVF cycle being cancelled. fX for your IUI cycle.

[ldubhawksfan]

I'm so sorry. That sucks. (Hugs)

[bluejoan]

I'm so sorry you got cancelled. That sucks. I don't have any advice with DOR but I did do the Long Lupron protocol without BC and had an antral follie count of 20, had 17 grow, lost 3 to being over ripe (based on size and clinic notes), 10 were mature and 7 fertilized. I had 5 crappy embies on Day 5 and after transfer the last 3 arrested on Day 6. I plan on asking what we can do to make this better. I was told with such a nice AFC that I'd end up with close to 20 eggs.

I know you've been doing a lot of hard work and following ISWTE so maybe that and a protocol switch will be just what you need.

Huge hugs to you!!!

[wazzu08]

I'm so sorry. I don't have any advice, just a giant creepy internet hug. I hope you surprise us all in 2 weeks and tell us that the damn IUI worked.

[doves654]

Awww, I'm so sorry to hear you got canceled, but major FX for your IUI!

[lemonliz]

Jan 19, 2015 8:59:38 GMT -5 @buttmonkey said:

Good luck today lemonliz!!!

Thanks, lady! I'm sitting in a packed RE waiting room right now while the embryologist is workin on the sperm. MH is here and awkwardly and loudly chattering away about nothing and annoying the piss out of me. I guess this falls into the category of "extra hormone rage."

[bluefairy5]

Jan 19, 2015 9:10:13 GMT -5 @buttmonkey said:

Jan 19, 2015 9:07:54 GMT -5 lemonliz said:

Thanks, lady! I'm sitting in a packed RE waiting room right now while the embryologist is workin on the sperm. MH is here and awkwardly and loudly chattering away about nothing and annoying the piss out of me. I guess this falls into the category of "extra hormone rage."

Bahahahahaha!  My H does that too whenever he's there with me for IUI/ER/ET. I just look at him and whisper through a closed smile "shut the fuck up babe"

I'm gonna have to remember this particular technique on Friday for my baseline, which MH is attending. He has the charming habit of pulling out his laptop and iPad and phone all at once to ADD his way through some work, then inevitably when we get called back it takes him nine hours to get his shit together. And then he leaves his phone in the waiting room anyway.

lemonliz Early morning RE waiting rooms are pretty much the most crowded doctors' offices on earth, I think. Anytime I'm at mine after 9:00 or so it's a ghost town, and I'm all, "Well, this is creepy."

[Smootiepie]

Oh sweetie, I'm so so sorry. GL today, I've got everything crossed for you.

[lemonliz]

Jan 19, 2015 9:18:38 GMT -5 bluefairy5 said:

Jan 19, 2015 9:10:13 GMT -5 @buttmonkey said:

Bahahahahaha!  My H does that too whenever he's there with me for IUI/ER/ET. I just look at him and whisper through a closed smile "shut the fuck up babe"

I'm gonna have to remember this particular technique on Friday for my baseline, which MH is attending. He has the charming habit of pulling out his laptop and iPad and phone all at once to ADD his way through some work, then inevitably when we get called back it takes him nine hours to get his shit together. And then he leaves his phone in the waiting room anyway.

lemonliz Early morning RE waiting rooms are pretty much the most crowded doctors' offices on earth, I think. Anytime I'm at mine after 9:00 or so it's a ghost town, and I'm all, "Well, this is creepy."

LMAO @buttmonkey...still in the waiting room and now I'm awkwardly trying to hold my laughter and tears back while everyone is staring! I had to send MH out on a scavenger hunt for some snacks (I'm not hungry). bluefairy5 bahahaha, he needs all three devices to get him through the waiting room! That would annoy the hell out of me, too.

[sportschick79]

I sit in the waiting room with a book. MH his phone. I'm lucky that he doesn't irk me. He knows me well enough to know I'm on edge.

Good luck today lemonliz (with both the IUI and not killing YH)

[bluejoan]

Good luck today. FX this works and you don't have to worry about starting again.

DH was traumatized by my ER apparently and he now shudders during any RE visit. It's kinda of funny and I think he deserves a bit of trauma through this since our bodies are the ones putting up with the extra hormones, shots, vag cam visits etc.

[lilycakes78]

I'm so sorry, lady. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for your IUI. You never know what can happen. Keep your chin up.

[tumbleweed]

lemonliz how did the IUI go? How are you feeling?

[lemonliz]

tumbleweed, it went pretty well. The procedure was pretty simple. I am bloated and swollen as all get out, though, totally unrelated to the IUI.

MH's numbers were okay-not-great (9mi post-wash, 78% motile, 39% morph on the Krueger). And I found out today that Saturday's u/s and b/w indicated I had one lead follie that was 20mm when my E2 started crashing and my progesterone started rising. I had two others that were in the 14-16mm range. Hopefully the trigger took care of them.

Overall this was a shitty IVF cycle but I guess it looks like a decent but expensive IUI cycle when you count in the meds. I had to pay OOP for the IUI even though I laid down $14,000 with the RE already for IVF. Anyhow, it's over and now I can start to move on, wherever that is.

Oh, also they don't do betas for IUI. I just have to wait 14 days and POAS. Since I triggered, I guess I will wait out the full 14 days.

[bluefairy5]

lemonliz They made you pay for the IUI?? Wait, actually, I guess my place would also. Financially speaking, if this IUI doesn't do the trick, you get to just pick up where you left off next cycle, right? I hope? (I mean, aside from meds, obviously.)