Walking Dead Discussion, 3/8 Episode (Spoilers)

[cakewench]

One thing I forgot to mention, which I asked about last week:

Yes, Michonne got a mall cop jacket!

Also, and probably more importantly, she hung up her katana! I liked what drunk!Abraham said to her, about not needing to use it, but not forgetting how… or something...

[kawaiikitsune]

Mar 9, 2015 21:05:43 GMT -5 heatherj9603 said:

Mar 9, 2015 21:03:15 GMT -5 cakewench said:

My money is on Daryl, Glenn, or Maggie, unfortunately. However...

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{Spoiler}
I know how Glenn dies in the comics, so I'm not sure if it will be him since that bad guy technically hasn't been introduced yet. Assuming they go with the comics version of things, which they've already shown they don't. Also, if Daryl dies… you know what? Nope. Not going there.

If Daryl dies there will be riots. 

i don't think it will be Rick. He was the start of the show. It's like when they tried to do the office without Michael scott. Just disn't make sense. 

Since Daryl isn't a part of the comics and doesn't technically have an official story arc, he is pretty expendable and can go at any time. I'd like to say that the fact that they are giving him solo screentime makes him safe but I thought that about Beth so...

heatherj9603 - I hated Andrea on the show and was so happy when they finally killed her off. They did her such an injustice because she is fucking badass in the comics.

cakewench - I was hoping they would keep that!

[heatherj9603]

Mar 9, 2015 21:13:29 GMT -5 cakewench said:

One thing I forgot to mention, which I asked about last week:

Yes, Michonne got a mall cop jacket!

Also, and probably more importantly, she hung up her katana! I liked what drunk!Abraham said to her, about not needing to use it, but not forgetting how… or something...

She made that jacket look bad ass too! The corset ties in the back were so her! 

[cakewench]

Mar 9, 2015 21:13:49 GMT -5 kawaiikitsune said:

Mar 9, 2015 21:05:43 GMT -5 heatherj9603 said:

If Daryl dies there will be riots. 

i don't think it will be Rick. He was the start of the show. It's like when they tried to do the office without Michael scott. Just disn't make sense. 

Since Daryl isn't a part of the comics and doesn't technically have an official story arc, he is pretty expendable and can go at any time. I'd like to say that the fact that they are giving him solo screentime makes him safe but I thought that about Beth so...

heatherj9603 - I hated Andrea on the show and was so happy when they finally killed her off. They did her such an injustice because she is fucking badass in the comics.

cakewench - I was hoping they would keep that!

I agree about Daryl being expendable - technically he is. But I would venture to guess the majority of the Walking Dead fan base loves him - thats why they bumped him to a regular after all - and not just the fangirls. I really think the show's ratings would suffer if they killed him off. Everyone would be talking about it, though...

Though if you read the interview with Chad Coleman after Tyrese's death, he thinks part of the reason they killed Tyrese off is because in the comics, he's Rick's right hand. In the show, that's clearly Daryl now. So if there's no Tyrese and no Daryl, who's Rick's lieutenant? (Begs the question if he needs one, but still…)

I haven't had enough beers to deal with the idea of no Daryl.

[heatherj9603]

I miss dale and Herschel. There's no grandpa figure around anymore. But also they can't exactly have a moral compass right now. But there needs that old man figure who says it's okay or not okay.

[ceejay]

Mar 9, 2015 21:24:22 GMT -5 cakewench said:

Mar 9, 2015 21:13:49 GMT -5 kawaiikitsune said:

Since Daryl isn't a part of the comics and doesn't technically have an official story arc, he is pretty expendable and can go at any time. I'd like to say that the fact that they are giving him solo screentime makes him safe but I thought that about Beth so...

heatherj9603 - I hated Andrea on the show and was so happy when they finally killed her off. They did her such an injustice because she is fucking badass in the comics.

cakewench - I was hoping they would keep that!

I agree about Daryl being expendable - technically he is. But I would venture to guess the majority of the Walking Dead fan base loves him - thats why they bumped him to a regular after all - and not just the fangirls. I really think the show's ratings would suffer if they killed him off. Everyone would be talking about it, though...

Though if you read the interview with Chad Coleman after Tyrese's death, he thinks part of the reason they killed Tyrese off is because in the comics, he's Rick's right hand. In the show, that's clearly Daryl now. So if there's no Tyrese and no Daryl, who's Rick's lieutenant? (Begs the question if he needs one, but still…)

I haven't had enough beers to deal with the idea of no Daryl.

Michonne could be (and kind of is) Rick's lieutenant too... she already is his "constable" partner in Alexandria.

Not that I want Daryl to die! I sincerely hope they don't kill him because he really is a great character and has grown so much throughout the show (which often is the kiss of death on Walking Dead...). 

[cakewench]

Mar 9, 2015 21:40:40 GMT -5 ceejay said:

Mar 9, 2015 21:24:22 GMT -5 cakewench said:

I agree about Daryl being expendable - technically he is. But I would venture to guess the majority of the Walking Dead fan base loves him - thats why they bumped him to a regular after all - and not just the fangirls. I really think the show's ratings would suffer if they killed him off. Everyone would be talking about it, though...

Though if you read the interview with Chad Coleman after Tyrese's death, he thinks part of the reason they killed Tyrese off is because in the comics, he's Rick's right hand. In the show, that's clearly Daryl now. So if there's no Tyrese and no Daryl, who's Rick's lieutenant? (Begs the question if he needs one, but still…)

I haven't had enough beers to deal with the idea of no Daryl.

Michonne could be (and kind of is) Rick's lieutenant too... she already is his "constable" partner in Alexandria.

Not that I want Daryl to die! I sincerely hope they don't kill him because he really is a great character and has grown so much throughout the show (which often is the kiss of death on Walking Dead...). 

Good point about Michonne!

[kawaiikitsune]

Rick gets by just fine without Daryl in the comics. He doesn't have any one "right-hand man" but everyone kind of comes together as a group to lend support for one another. Plus, as PP said, Michonne kind of fills that role quite nicely on the show. I honestly feel that the fangirls have kept Daryl alive as long as he's been around. I love how much his character has grown on the show but I truly feel his character has run its course and his arc is kind of over. I would be a bit bummed if they killed off his character but by no means would it devastate me. If you're watching the show simply for Daryl Dixon than why bother? It's the zombie apocalypse, everyone will meet their doom sooner or later.

[cakewench]

Mar 9, 2015 21:54:56 GMT -5 kawaiikitsune said:

Rick gets by just fine without Daryl in the comics. He doesn't have any one "right-hand man" but everyone kind of comes together as a group to lend support for one another. Plus, as PP said, Michonne kind of fills that role quite nicely on the show. I honestly feel that the fangirls have kept Daryl alive as long as he's been around. I love how much his character has grown on the show but I truly feel his character has run its course and his arc is kind of over. I would be a bit bummed if they killed off his character but by no means would it devastate me. If you're watching the show simply for Daryl Dixon than why bother? It's the zombie apocalypse, everyone will meet their doom sooner or later.

True enough. Daryl wasn't what got me into TWD, and even though I'll be pissed if they kill him off, I'd still watch. I still think it's Glenn or Maggie, though. I think Norman's comments about needing Kleenex during the finale seem to so obviously point to Daryl, it's probably someone else.

Then again, I'm probably over-thinking this…

[kawaiikitsune]

Mar 9, 2015 21:59:07 GMT -5 cakewench said:

Mar 9, 2015 21:54:56 GMT -5 kawaiikitsune said:

Rick gets by just fine without Daryl in the comics. He doesn't have any one "right-hand man" but everyone kind of comes together as a group to lend support for one another. Plus, as PP said, Michonne kind of fills that role quite nicely on the show. I honestly feel that the fangirls have kept Daryl alive as long as he's been around. I love how much his character has grown on the show but I truly feel his character has run its course and his arc is kind of over. I would be a bit bummed if they killed off his character but by no means would it devastate me. If you're watching the show simply for Daryl Dixon than why bother? It's the zombie apocalypse, everyone will meet their doom sooner or later.

True enough. Daryl wasn't what got me into TWD, and even though I'll be pissed if they kill him off, I'd still watch. I still think it's Glenn or Maggie, though. I think Norman's comments about needing Kleenex during the finale seem to so obviously point to Daryl, it's probably someone else.

Then again, I'm probably over-thinking this…

I honestly have no guess who it will be seeing as everyone is kind of vital to the group now. Although, like I said, I kind of hope it is Sasha.

[MissMusic]

Do not fuck with Carol. I mean...Lizzie, Terminus, that kid? Just don't fuck with her.

I thought the best parts of the episode involved the horse, Buttons. When they were trying to round up the horse, Daryl said something like, "Be careful. When they're out here too long, they become what they really are". Such a Daryl thing to say, and a way to say that he's been out there too long, sooo....yeah.

Then, they have to put the horse down. Aaron says something like, "He [Buttons]always ran". What did running away from help get him? Frightened. Cornered. Eaten. Shot.

Daryl is that horse in so many ways: he was fenced in, in a sense, before the shitstorm. Now he's been out there too long. The man won't even bathe and carried around a dead possum for most of last episode. Daryl. Always. Runs. He likes to go off on his own and do Daryl stuff. Whats that going to get him?

BUT, what has Daryl become, if he is who he "really" is out in the woods? I'd say he's not trusting, he's fiercely loyal, a little emotionally tortured, and he's a survivor...lots of things that Buttons was, up to the survivor part...and thats only because Buttons ran instead of accepting help.
/novel

[heatherj9603]

Mar 9, 2015 22:12:49 GMT -5 MissMusic said:

Do not fuck with Carol. I mean...Lizzie, Terminus, that kid? Just don't fuck with her.

I thought the best parts of the episode involved the horse, Buttons. When they were trying to round up the horse, Daryl said something like, "Be careful. When they're out here too long, they become what they really are". Such a Daryl thing to say, and a way to say that he's been out there too long, sooo....yeah.

Then, they have to put the horse down. Aaron says something like, "He [Buttons]always ran". What did running away from help get him? Frightened. Cornered. Eaten. Shot.

Daryl is that horse in so many ways: he was fenced in, in a sense, before the shitstorm. Now he's been out there too long. The man won't even bathe and carried around a dead possum for most of last episode. Daryl. Always. Runs. He likes to go off on his own and do Daryl stuff. Whats that going to get him?

BUT, what has Daryl become, if he is who he "really" is out in the woods? I'd say he's not trusting, he's fiercely loyal, a little emotionally tortured, and he's a survivor...lots of things that Buttons was, up to the survivor part...and thats only because Buttons ran instead of accepting help.
/novel

*starts slow clap*'

brilliant! 

[MissMusic]

Are we going to talk about the W's on the walker's heads, and the A stamp in the new town?
I have ideas but I can't say much without giving stuff away...

[renbee]

If they kill Glenn, I feel like Maggie will go catatonic - first Herschel, then Beth, then Glenn? It would almost be too much for that character so I feel like it won't be Glenn.

[LadyNymeria]

Just watched. Thought it was good, but a bit slow like others said. The group being in town makes me uncomfortable - I'm sure because every other "safe" place they've been has turned into a disaster.

I'm not sure who I think will die, but I have to agree I wouldn't be too upset if it was Sasha. She's never been a favorite of mine.

Buttons made me sad. I don't care what the underlying message was, I hate when helpless animals die in movies/shows.

[mrsp]

Mar 9, 2015 22:57:12 GMT -5 ****** said:

Mar 9, 2015 22:24:23 GMT -5 MissMusic said:

Are we going to talk about the W's on the walker's heads, and the A stamp in the new town?
I have ideas but I can't say much without giving stuff away...

I haven't read the comics so I have NO actual idea but I will share my thought. The W is obviously the sign of the next big threat to Rick's group. I think the Alexandrians know about them. I'm thinking that's why they recruited Rick and others-for protection. So I think they've got their own identifying mark to know teams/sides when the attack comes. Maybe it'll become more clear in time.

This seems possible. Something else that just popped up in my mind - A=Alexandrian? If they don't have a stamp, they don't get saved. I don't know. I do think the season is going to end with the Wolves. 


MissMusic, good call on the whole Buttons is Daryl parallel. I'm not good with stuff like that, but it totally makes sense now. 

[MissMusic]

Aaaannd a recipe for Carol's Cookies just showed up in my FB feed!

I hear they're to die for.

Click here, work safe, cookie recipe.

Edit: uploaded the recipe pic instead in case you can't click.

[dovahfel]

I really think this episode may be pointing to a few different things.

1. I think they are going to make the case that after a traumatic event people can either come back from it or they can't. I think they are going to look at each character's reaction to the community and whether they can adapt to the safety and social structure or not. I am thinking Rick, Sasha, and Carol can't. It's like Glenn said "We were almost out there too long." I think they were.

2. The red stamp on the hand reeked to me of two things. 1) The Scarlett Letter (the red A on the hands of the two characters coming dangerously close to adultery) as well as the "W" carved on the head of the walker. What if it's not a W? What if it's an M? A = adultery, M = murder. Maybe the community deals with it's criminals by killing them or letting them turn then turning them loose but not before carving their crime into their head?

I suspect that Rick, Carol, or Sasha (maybe all) will commit a crime in the community and the rest of the group will defend them. Either that or it's going to split the group for a while.

I do wish they'd be a little gentler with the topic of PTSD though, as that is clearly what Sasha is dealing with. I kind of get upset with the leader who, for all her intelligence, can't see that.

[MissMusic]

Mar 10, 2015 9:49:16 GMT -5 ****** said:

If it's an M instead of W, maybe it's Morgan marking his kills.

Oh iiiiinteresting idea!

[kawaiikitsune]

Mar 10, 2015 10:09:10 GMT -5 @bloodyjack87 said:

Mar 10, 2015 9:45:31 GMT -5 dovahfel said:

I really think this episode may be pointing to a few different things.

1. I think they are going to make the case that after a traumatic event people can either come back from it or they can't. I think they are going to look at each character's reaction to the community and whether they can adapt to the safety and social structure or not. I am thinking Rick, Sasha, and Carol can't. It's like Glenn said "We were almost out there too long." I think they were.

2. The red stamp on the hand reeked to me of two things. 1) The Scarlett Letter (the red A on the hands of the two characters coming dangerously close to adultery) as well as the "W" carved on the head of the walker. What if it's not a W? What if it's an M? A = adultery, M = murder. Maybe the community deals with it's criminals by killing them or letting them turn then turning them loose but not before carving their crime into their head?

I suspect that Rick, Carol, or Sasha (maybe all) will commit a crime in the community and the rest of the group will defend them. Either that or it's going to split the group for a while.

I do wish they'd be a little gentler with the topic of PTSD though, as that is clearly what Sasha is dealing with. I kind of get upset with the leader who, for all her intelligence, can't see that.

I really can't see Sasha coming back after what she's been through.

I think that something big is coming and Deanna won't be able to handle it and Rick and the group will end up taking control of Alexandria.

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{Comic book Major spoiler}
I think maybe they will make up a smaller threat with the whole wolves "w" thing, and they will save Negan for next season. Or he will be introduced in the season finale. I'm also curious when/if they will introduce Jesus and the other communities. And I am really concerned about Glenn and Abraham making it through this season. I didn't care for Abraham much at first, but he has really grown on me.

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{Comic Book Spoilers}
I was actually really upset about Abraham's death, more than I thought I would be. After the whole Rosita/Abraham/Holly situation, I kind of didn't like him so I didn't think I'd mind too much if he was killed. But when it happened, I was kind of in shock and didn't believe it until they showed his funeral. I was super bummed.

I think they might condense the Jesus/Negan debacle in the finale to set up season 6. And Glenn might be the cause of tears for the finale. His death was, by far, the worst in the comics, imo.

[MissMusic]

I really smelled a foreshadow right after the mid season break when they're looking for that guy's family in VA, and Glen picks up the baseball bat from the front yard. I'm wondering if its him that buys the farm...

I'd be super sad though.

Edit: Carol is getting a ton of screen time, though.  Thats how I guessed Hershel was done for (and the actor himself guessed it, too).

[kawaiikitsune]

It did seem very coincidental that he was carrying a bat, of all things. I was never a huge fan of Glenn but he did not deserve his fate at all. Hershel was traumatic as hell for me so if they keep Glenn's accurate, I will probably lose my shit.

[LadyNymeria]

What happens to Glenn in the comic books? Could someone either PM me or post it as a Spoiler Alert? I probably won't ever get around to reading them so I'm curious. Thanks.

[kawaiikitsune]

Mar 10, 2015 11:20:02 GMT -5 LadyNymeria said:

What happens to Glenn in the comic books? Could someone either PM me or post it as a Spoiler Alert? I probably won't ever get around to reading them so I'm curious. Thanks.

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{Super Comic Book Spoiler}
Negan kills him with Lucille, a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire. Hits him in the head so hard, his eyeball pops out. Pretty much hits him until his head is pulp. And he does it in front of Maggie. It was pretty gruesome and hard to read.

[LadyNymeria]

Mar 10, 2015 11:25:48 GMT -5 kawaiikitsune said:

Mar 10, 2015 11:20:02 GMT -5 LadyNymeria said:

What happens to Glenn in the comic books? Could someone either PM me or post it as a Spoiler Alert? I probably won't ever get around to reading them so I'm curious. Thanks.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Super Comic Book Spoiler}
Negan kills him with Lucille, a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire. Hits him in the head so hard, his eyeball pops out. Pretty much hits him until his head is pulp. And he does it in front of Maggie. It was pretty gruesome and hard to read.

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{My Response to ^^ Spoiler}
Thanks.

Wow, that's really gruesome. And horrible that it was in front of Maggie! I want to say that I'm not sure they would put that kind of death in the TV show, but there have been some other pretty bad ones over the seasons. I hope that's not what happens in the show.

[LadyNymeria]

Ugh, I give up. I tried fixing the Spoiler Alert in my last post and just made it worse. No idea how I ended up with a Spoiler Alert within a Spoiler Alert within a Spoiler Alert.

[ceejay]

Mar 10, 2015 11:31:59 GMT -5 LadyNymeria said:

Mar 10, 2015 11:25:48 GMT -5 kawaiikitsune said:

SPOILER: Click to show

{Super Comic Book Spoiler}
Negan kills him with Lucille, a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire. Hits him in the head so hard, his eyeball pops out. Pretty much hits him until his head is pulp. And he does it in front of Maggie. It was pretty gruesome and hard to read.

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{My Response to ^^ Spoiler}
Thanks.

Wow, that's really gruesome. And horrible that it was in front of Maggie! I want to say that I'm not sure they would put that kind of death in the TV show, but there have been some other pretty bad ones over the seasons. I hope that's not what happens in the show.

When I first read that part of the book, I said there is no way that they will show that on TV! But after seeing some of the deaths in Terminus and of the Terminus people by Rick's group, I don't think they have a limit to what they will show. I'm not looking forward to seeing that and will definitely look away from the screen if that's how things go down for Glenn.

[mrsp]

Mar 10, 2015 11:34:52 GMT -5 LadyNymeria said:

Ugh, I give up. I tried fixing the Spoiler Alert in my last post and just made it worse. No idea how I ended up with a Spoiler Alert within a Spoiler Alert within a Spoiler Alert.

I thought you were just taking extra precautions to a potential spoiler alert in case someone changed their mind. It was fun to keep clicking, though. How do you make those fancy Spoiler Alert clicks anyway?

I just read through the spoiler alerts. Wow, there's a lot left to happen still. I also enjoy hearing other theories on what's going to happen next!

[mishy2010]

Mar 9, 2015 21:05:43 GMT -5 heatherj9603 said:

Mar 9, 2015 21:03:15 GMT -5 cakewench said:

My money is on Daryl, Glenn, or Maggie, unfortunately. However...

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{Spoiler}
I know how Glenn dies in the comics, so I'm not sure if it will be him since that bad guy technically hasn't been introduced yet. Assuming they go with the comics version of things, which they've already shown they don't. Also, if Daryl dies… you know what? Nope. Not going there.

If Daryl dies there will be riots. 

i don't think it will be Rick. He was the start of the show. It's like when they tried to do the office without Michael scott. Just disn't make sense. 

I think it will be Aaron's boyfriend that gets killed. It's not emotional like losing a main character but emotional watching Aaron lose his loved one.

[LadyNymeria]

Mar 10, 2015 11:44:13 GMT -5 mrsp said:

Mar 10, 2015 11:34:52 GMT -5 LadyNymeria said:

Ugh, I give up. I tried fixing the Spoiler Alert in my last post and just made it worse. No idea how I ended up with a Spoiler Alert within a Spoiler Alert within a Spoiler Alert.

I thought you were just taking extra precautions to a potential spoiler alert in case someone changed their mind. It was fun to keep clicking, though. How do you make those fancy Spoiler Alert clicks anyway?

I just read through the spoiler alerts. Wow, there's a lot left to happen still. I also enjoy hearing other theories on what's going to happen next!

When you're replying to post, look above the text box. The last button all the way to the right will be a triangle with a red border and an ! inside. If you click that you can give your Spoiler Alert a "Spoiler Title" which is the text that shows up in a post. Whatever you type in the 
"Spoiler Body" box will be hidden until someone clicks the Spoiler Title. It's an awesome feature when talking about things like this! I love that it's available.