My UO: I hate the obsession in this country with high school sports. Hate it. High school is for learning, not becoming star athletes.
At the old school I worked at, athletes would be dismissed early to get to games and what not. Not fair to the rest of the kids, and then those students get behind. Not cool.
Is it okay in college? Same shit happens there, too.
No snark - honest question.
I don't like it there either, but not as much hate as the high school level. However, if they are able to get an education because of sports (scholarships) and are able to manage both, then I'm ok with it. I'm a little fuzzy on that level because there are some kids who wouldn't get higher education without sports since America sucks when it comes to ridiculous costs. I just work at the high school level and we have enough issues with students getting work done, glorification of sports doesn't help. It's like education is not as important as sports. I'm up in New England so it's not nearly as bad as the south, but still.
Edit: I realize this is ridiculous since without high school sports we wouldn't have the support scholarships. I'm not anti high school sports, I'm anti putting sports above education.
This phrase infuriates me. Once you read Things Fall Apart you will never look at missionaries the same way again.
Oh I read it. I am torn. As a Christian many pastors, and arguably the Bible, teach that it is our job to spread the message of Christianity to every corner of the world. I do think that it can be done horribly, and it can be done in a not so offensive manner. My uncle and his family lived there for years and built real relationships with people and only shared their faith with those who wanted to hear. It wasn't their primary focus for being there, just a natural course of forming a relationship. Like talking about your faith to a neighbor or friend (they were both). I think everyone has a right to share their faith, but respectfully. I don't like the 2 week missionary trips, I can never get behind those. That is too missionary-tourism too me.
*I might not have used the right word, I meant it more in a "Share their faith" and less in a "Seek to convert" way.
Side note: Pearl S. Buck is my favorite author, she presents another really interesting side to missionaries if you are interested. It's more her lesser known stuff (The Exile is a good one). Peony touches on it too.
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Is it okay in college? Same shit happens there, too.
No snark - honest question.
I don't like it there either, but not as much hate as the high school level. However, if they are able to get an education because of sports (scholarships) and are able to manage both, then I'm ok with it. I'm a little fuzzy on that level because there are some kids who wouldn't get higher education without sports since America sucks when it comes to ridiculous costs. I just work at the high school level and we have enough issues with students getting work done, glorification of sports doesn't help. It's like education is not as important as sports. I'm up in New England so it's not nearly as bad as the south, but still.
Then your issue is with your district.
Don't assume things happen the exact same way in every school because that's how they happen at yours.
This phrase infuriates me. Once you read Things Fall Apart you will never look at missionaries the same way again.
Oh I read it. I am torn. As a Christian many pastors, and arguably the Bible, teach that it is our job to spread the message of Christianity to every corner of the world. I do think that it can be done horribly, and it can be done in a not so offensive manner. My uncle and his family lived there for years and built real relationships with people and only shared their faith with those who wanted to hear. It wasn't their primary focus for being there, just a natural course of forming a relationship. Like talking about your faith to a neighbor or friend (they were both). I think everyone has a right to share their faith, but respectfully. I don't like the 2 week missionary trips, I can never get behind those. That is too missionary-tourism too me.
*I might not have used the right word, I meant it more in a "Share their faith" and less in a "Seek to convert" way.
Side note: Pearl S. Buck is my favorite author, she presents another really interesting side to missionaries if you are interested. It's more her lesser known stuff (The Exile is a good one). Peony touches on it too.
I don't believe this for a second, and unless you were there with them you have no way of knowing if this is true.
I don't like it there either, but not as much hate as the high school level. However, if they are able to get an education because of sports (scholarships) and are able to manage both, then I'm ok with it. I'm a little fuzzy on that level because there are some kids who wouldn't get higher education without sports since America sucks when it comes to ridiculous costs. I just work at the high school level and we have enough issues with students getting work done, glorification of sports doesn't help. It's like education is not as important as sports. I'm up in New England so it's not nearly as bad as the south, but still.
Then your issue is with your district.
Don't assume things happen the exact same way in every school because that's how they happen at yours.
No it's not just my district, it's happened at the high school I went to, the one that I student taught at, and the one I currently work at. Students may not get dismissed at all of them, but sports are held higher at pretty much every school I've worked at.
Ugh, that reminds me of a girl back on TD who was living in a remote part of northern Kenya as a missionary and posted about how "uncivilized" everything was (from her phone, on 3G) and a bunch of bullshit about how there were more leopards than humans near her (blatantly false). Thinking about it makes me ragey.
There are some missionary trips that my old church does that I completely disagree with. Why do you need to spend $8k a kid to send a dozen american HS students with zero useful skills to Kenya? What the fuck are they going to do beyond playing soccer with kids that would be better served if that $80k was donated to providing them with clean water, vaccines, and other medical care. I feel like the american kids get more out of those trips than anyone else, and that is sad.
I do support missionaries that actually help people. My uncle (mom's uncle) was one of the developers of Mectizan, which is used to treat Onchocerciasis (River Blindness). He and his family lived in Ethiopia (where it once was a rampant) for years, and as Christians they did evangelize as well. Those are the kinds of missionaries the world needs, people who are there to meet physical as well as spiritual needs.
That's pretty much the kind of missionary my step-sister is going on. It's a bunch of HIGH SCHOOL sorority girls (may be some guys but not as many girls) and they're going for a week. I have no idea what they plan on accomplishing in a week.
Don't assume things happen the exact same way in every school because that's how they happen at yours.
No it's not just my district, it's happened at the high school I went to, the one that I student taught at, and the one I currently work at. Students may not get dismissed at all of them, but sports are held higher at pretty much every school I've worked at.
I was an athlete in high school and I completely get what you are saying.
This phrase infuriates me. Once you read Things Fall Apart you will never look at missionaries the same way again.
Oh I read it. I am torn. As a Christian many pastors, and arguably the Bible, teach that it is our job to spread the message of Christianity to every corner of the world. I do think that it can be done horribly, and it can be done in a not so offensive manner. My uncle and his family lived there for years and built real relationships with people and only shared their faith with those who wanted to hear. It wasn't their primary focus for being there, just a natural course of forming a relationship. Like talking about your faith to a neighbor or friend (they were both). I think everyone has a right to share their faith, but respectfully. I don't like the 2 week missionary trips, I can never get behind those. That is too missionary-tourism too me.
*I might not have used the right word, I meant it more in a "Share their faith" and less in a "Seek to convert" way.
Side note: Pearl S. Buck is my favorite author, she presents another really interesting side to missionaries if you are interested. It's more her lesser known stuff (The Exile is a good one). Peony touches on it too.
The problem is historically messages weren't "spread" they were forced, sometimes using violent means. You are coming to a vulnerable people, giving them food, shelter, medicine etc. and even if you just casually mention your faith, those people will follow you in blind faith in hopes of getting more food, shelter and medicine. It's not right. It never has been right. It never will be right.
Why can't they just help them because it's the right thing to do? Why does everything have to come with a side of religion.
I was with you until the 2nd paragraph. I'm incredibly uncomfortable with the idea of assistance being handed out with a side of religion.
It's like having to listen to a time-share pitch to get a free boat ride or whatever.
Well that is absolutely not what happened. They lived there for years, 3 young boys, a wife, and a father. They shared their faith, but very passively. They are not assertive or aggressive people. I do completely agree that had they been aggressive, or exchanged medicine for baptism that would have been horrible, and immoral. At the same time the Bible clearly commands Christians to share their faith, so I can't fault them for that. Any more than I blame Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses for knocking on my door. They are just doing what they think God wants them to do.
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Is it okay in college? Same shit happens there, too.
No snark - honest question.
I don't like it there either, but not as much hate as the high school level. However, if they are able to get an education because of sports (scholarships) and are able to manage both, then I'm ok with it. I'm a little fuzzy on that level because there are some kids who wouldn't get higher education without sports since America sucks when it comes to ridiculous costs. I just work at the high school level and we have enough issues with students getting work done, glorification of sports doesn't help. It's like education is not as important as sports. I'm up in New England so it's not nearly as bad as the south, but still.
Edit: I realize this is ridiculous since without high school sports we wouldn't have the support scholarships. I'm not anti high school sports, I'm anti putting sports above education.
But, if it's really about being able to get the higher level education that would otherwise be unattainable, then shouldn't schoolwork still come before sports? That absolutely does not happen in college, either.
I think the problem lies in where the focus should be: schoolwork or sports. Both require intense dedication and having the bandwidth to give both their proper attention is nearly impossible. So, one or the other suffers. Sports are a tremendous revenue for schools and students lose their scholarships if they perform poorly in the sports.
I feel like saying "sports scholarships allow students a chance at higher education" is really just a white lie we tell ourselves to ignore what's really going on.
No it's not just my district, it's happened at the high school I went to, the one that I student taught at, and the one I currently work at. Students may not get dismissed at all of them, but sports are held higher at pretty much every school I've worked at.
I was an athlete in high school and I completely get what you are saying.
Athletes get entire spirit weeks at both my high school and the one I student taught at leading up to the big thanksgiving day football game and a huge pep rally (instead of classes) for support. Where's the glorification of those kids who excel academically?
It's like having to listen to a time-share pitch to get a free boat ride or whatever.
Well that is absolutely not what happened. They lived there for years, 3 young boys, a wife, and a father. They shared their faith, but very passively. They are not assertive or aggressive people. I do completely agree that had they been aggressive, or exchanged medicine for baptism that would have been horrible, and immoral. At the same time the Bible clearly commands Christians to share their faith, so I can't fault them for that. Any more than I blame Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses for knocking on my door. They are just doing what they think God wants them to do.
So's the Westboro Baptist Church.
And again, unless you were there with them you have absolutely no idea how assertive or aggressive they were. So stop trying to play like you somehow magically know this shit.
I was an athlete in high school and I completely get what you are saying.
Athletes get entire spirit weeks at both my high school and the one I student taught at leading up to the big thanksgiving day football game and a huge pep rally (instead of classes) for support. Where's the glorification of those kids who excel academically?
Here's an idea- bring that up with your administration. Do something about it.
I don't like it there either, but not as much hate as the high school level. However, if they are able to get an education because of sports (scholarships) and are able to manage both, then I'm ok with it. I'm a little fuzzy on that level because there are some kids who wouldn't get higher education without sports since America sucks when it comes to ridiculous costs. I just work at the high school level and we have enough issues with students getting work done, glorification of sports doesn't help. It's like education is not as important as sports. I'm up in New England so it's not nearly as bad as the south, but still.
Edit: I realize this is ridiculous since without high school sports we wouldn't have the support scholarships. I'm not anti high school sports, I'm anti putting sports above education.
But, if it's really about being able to get the higher level education that would otherwise be unattainable, then shouldn't schoolwork still come before sports? That absolutely does not happen in college, either.
I think the problem lies in where the focus should be: schoolwork or sports. Both require intense dedication and having the bandwidth to give both their proper attention is nearly impossible. So, one or the other suffers. Sports are a tremendous revenue for schools and students lose their scholarships if they perform poorly in the sports.
I feel like saying "sports scholarships allow students a chance at higher education" is really just a white lie we tell ourselves to ignore what's really going on.
I think it depends on the sport too. My lab partner in most of my bio/chem classes that was on the tennis team. I don't remember her missing more than a day or two for matches. But she had access to resources that I didn't have in the form of tutors, notes from upper classmen that had taken the course previously, etc. She was very successful and went on to med school.
But I also hear about football players that graduate without being able to read. So it's hard to make a blanket statement on all student athletes.
I don't like it there either, but not as much hate as the high school level. However, if they are able to get an education because of sports (scholarships) and are able to manage both, then I'm ok with it. I'm a little fuzzy on that level because there are some kids who wouldn't get higher education without sports since America sucks when it comes to ridiculous costs. I just work at the high school level and we have enough issues with students getting work done, glorification of sports doesn't help. It's like education is not as important as sports. I'm up in New England so it's not nearly as bad as the south, but still.
Edit: I realize this is ridiculous since without high school sports we wouldn't have the support scholarships. I'm not anti high school sports, I'm anti putting sports above education.
But, if it's really about being able to get the higher level education that would otherwise be unattainable, then shouldn't schoolwork still come before sports? That absolutely does not happen in college, either.
I think the problem lies in where the focus should be: schoolwork or sports. Both require intense dedication and having the bandwidth to give both their proper attention is nearly impossible. So, one or the other suffers. Sports are a tremendous revenue for schools and students lose their scholarships if they perform poorly in the sports.
I feel like saying "sports scholarships allow students a chance at higher education" is really just a white lie we tell ourselves to ignore what's really going on.
That's my whole issue with everything. Kids don't have the ability to dedicate to both academics and sports, but since sports are huge revenue boost, that gets glorified. Spirit weeks, pep rallys, the works. I can see why students choose sports. Public opinion holds it higher. I just don't think that out should.
It's like having to listen to a time-share pitch to get a free boat ride or whatever.
Well that is absolutely not what happened. They lived there for years, 3 young boys, a wife, and a father. They shared their faith, but very passively. They are not assertive or aggressive people. I do completely agree that had they been aggressive, or exchanged medicine for baptism that would have been horrible, and immoral. At the same time the Bible clearly commands Christians to share their faith, so I can't fault them for that. Any more than I blame Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses for knocking on my door. They are just doing what they think God wants them to do.
This mindset is what makes it OK for shitty people to do shitty things. It's OK because they did it behind the protective veil of religion. There is tolerance and then there is common sense.
But, if it's really about being able to get the higher level education that would otherwise be unattainable, then shouldn't schoolwork still come before sports? That absolutely does not happen in college, either.
I think the problem lies in where the focus should be: schoolwork or sports. Both require intense dedication and having the bandwidth to give both their proper attention is nearly impossible. So, one or the other suffers. Sports are a tremendous revenue for schools and students lose their scholarships if they perform poorly in the sports.
I feel like saying "sports scholarships allow students a chance at higher education" is really just a white lie we tell ourselves to ignore what's really going on.
I think it depends on the sport too. My lab partner in most of my bio/chem classes that was on the tennis team. I don't remember her missing more than a day or two for matches. But she had access to resources that I didn't have in the form of tutors, notes from upper classmen that had taken the course previously, etc. She was very successful and went on to med school.
But I also hear about football players that graduate without being able to read. So it's hard to make a blanket statement on all student athletes.
Oh, definitely! I'm sorry - I didn't mean to imply that is happens to *all* athletes. When I was typing, I thinking more of the football and basketball team members.
But, if it's really about being able to get the higher level education that would otherwise be unattainable, then shouldn't schoolwork still come before sports? That absolutely does not happen in college, either.
I think the problem lies in where the focus should be: schoolwork or sports. Both require intense dedication and having the bandwidth to give both their proper attention is nearly impossible. So, one or the other suffers. Sports are a tremendous revenue for schools and students lose their scholarships if they perform poorly in the sports.
I feel like saying "sports scholarships allow students a chance at higher education" is really just a white lie we tell ourselves to ignore what's really going on.
That's my whole issue with everything. Kids don't have the ability to dedicate to both academics and sports, but since sports are huge revenue boost, that gets glorified. Spirit weeks, pep rallys, the works. I can see why students choose sports. Public opinion holds it higher. I just don't think that out should.
This is absolutely not true of all students and one hell of an overgeneralization.
But, if it's really about being able to get the higher level education that would otherwise be unattainable, then shouldn't schoolwork still come before sports? That absolutely does not happen in college, either.
I think the problem lies in where the focus should be: schoolwork or sports. Both require intense dedication and having the bandwidth to give both their proper attention is nearly impossible. So, one or the other suffers. Sports are a tremendous revenue for schools and students lose their scholarships if they perform poorly in the sports.
I feel like saying "sports scholarships allow students a chance at higher education" is really just a white lie we tell ourselves to ignore what's really going on.
I think it depends on the sport too. My lab partner in most of my bio/chem classes that was on the tennis team. I don't remember her missing more than a day or two for matches. But she had access to resources that I didn't have in the form of tutors, notes from upper classmen that had taken the course previously, etc. She was very successful and went on to med school.
But I also hear about football players that graduate without being able to read. So it's hard to make a blanket statement on all student athletes.
I agree, it definitely depends on the sport. I'm more talking about football. Or basketball in lower division schools. Those are the biggest sport issues.
Athletes get entire spirit weeks at both my high school and the one I student taught at leading up to the big thanksgiving day football game and a huge pep rally (instead of classes) for support. Where's the glorification of those kids who excel academically?
Here's an idea- bring that up with your administration. Do something about it.
But, if it's really about being able to get the higher level education that would otherwise be unattainable, then shouldn't schoolwork still come before sports? That absolutely does not happen in college, either.
I think the problem lies in where the focus should be: schoolwork or sports. Both require intense dedication and having the bandwidth to give both their proper attention is nearly impossible. So, one or the other suffers. Sports are a tremendous revenue for schools and students lose their scholarships if they perform poorly in the sports.
I feel like saying "sports scholarships allow students a chance at higher education" is really just a white lie we tell ourselves to ignore what's really going on.
I think it depends on the sport too. My lab partner in most of my bio/chem classes that was on the tennis team. I don't remember her missing more than a day or two for matches. But she had access to resources that I didn't have in the form of tutors, notes from upper classmen that had taken the course previously, etc. She was very successful and went on to med school.
But I also hear about football players that graduate without being able to read. So it's hard to make a blanket statement on all student athletes.
All one had to do was join the group for the major they were in and you had access to upperclassmen. It's not like they were locked away in another part of campus.
Everyone I knew that was on a team also had restrictions on their classes. During competitive season they took the minimum required and their last class of the day couldn't start after a certain time so they didn't miss class to go to practice.
I came across some pretty dumb football players in some of my classes, but they could all read. Some couldn't deliver a speech to save their ass, but that's not solely on athletes.
That's my whole issue with everything. Kids don't have the ability to dedicate to both academics and sports, but since sports are huge revenue boost, that gets glorified. Spirit weeks, pep rallys, the works. I can see why students choose sports. Public opinion holds it higher. I just don't think that out should.
This is absolutely not true of all students and one hell of an overgeneralization.
Very true. But the vast majority that I've worked with struggle. There are definitely some who do well and can make it work. Others who could but don't want to. And others where it is overwhelming.
Post by samanthasays on Apr 2, 2015 10:14:10 GMT -5
ghostmonkey, @led, you are right, he could totally be lying. If he is telling the truth I don't consider what he did inappropriate. It is clear some people do, and that is completely fine. Wars have been fought over religion, this obviously isn't a benign topic and strong opinions are to be expected.
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This is absolutely not true of all students and one hell of an overgeneralization.
Very true. But the vast majority that I've worked with struggle. There are definitely some who do well and can make it work. Others who could but don't want to. And others where it is overwhelming.
So clearly you don't give a shit about hearing the other side, you have made up your mind that sports are the devil.
I think it depends on the sport too. My lab partner in most of my bio/chem classes that was on the tennis team. I don't remember her missing more than a day or two for matches. But she had access to resources that I didn't have in the form of tutors, notes from upper classmen that had taken the course previously, etc. She was very successful and went on to med school.
But I also hear about football players that graduate without being able to read. So it's hard to make a blanket statement on all student athletes.
All one had to do was join the group for the major they were in and you had access to upperclassmen. It's not like they were locked away in another part of campus.
Everyone I knew that was on a team also had restrictions on their classes. During competitive season they took the minimum required and their last class of the day couldn't start after a certain time so they didn't miss class to go to practice.
I came across some pretty dumb football players in some of my classes, but they could all read. Some couldn't deliver a speech to save their ass, but that's not solely on athletes.
I had a class with one of our former QBs. He could read, but it was pretty clear that he'd never had to study to pass a class. They all just shuffled him along. It was kind of sad. I felt better when he turned out to be a shit QB too.
Here's an idea- bring that up with your administration. Do something about it.
I have. Sports bring in too much revenue.
What does that have to do with recognizing the students doing well academically, unless you tried to take away the other stuff as well (which I full suspect you did based on your clear hatred of all things sports).
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