Also, why were the cops so sure it was Andrew again?
They don't have solid evidence, which is why he hasn't been arrested. But, they know his car was at Alis house, they know he has been obsessed with them, and they know the girls are at the Campbell farm.
Except that wasn't Andrews car. That was Ezra trying to get the police to follow them. Toby knew to look for that which would lead the police to them. I'm assuming that was their sure thing in case something happened to them. I'm also pretty sure they weren't at the farm.
Post by puglife5869 on Jun 2, 2015 22:20:28 GMT -5
Holy. Crap. Just finished the episode and it was so good. I love Caleb. I NEED to know what happened to them in their rooms. Also were none of them creeped out that A stripped them naked and washed them. They were all covered in dirt when they came in.
Post by puglife5869 on Jun 2, 2015 22:58:41 GMT -5
SO I just watched again and here is how I see it.
Andrew has been missing since the girls disappeared. They found all his creepy journals and a bunch of other evidence that makes them think he is "A". Caleb and Ezra worked with Ali to get her alone. They went to the press conference and Ezra was purposely seen looking sketchy so that they would get the license plate thinking it was Andrew. Then they called Ali with that song so that the police would go to the Campbell farm and she could escape to the kissing rock. Toby was in on the whole thing so he knew that it was Ezra and Caleb following Ali in the blue car. He led the police to them hoping they would find the girls. I'm assuming the car was a backup in case they don't have cell service or if something happened to them. That way the police would know where they were no matter what.
I think the girl really was Sara Harvey. It makes more sense to me to have her character come back than Bethany. I'm also pretty sure they found DNA evidence that the body was Bethany. That poor girl. She is going to be F'ed up after that.
So Andrew....I don't want him to be A but they sure are making it seem like that. I definitely think Jason is a twin though. To me, the silhouette of the Charles that we saw at the prom resembled Jason and Andrew just doesn't seem to have the same body type as Jason. I don't know. I'm just not sure how Andrew fits into this but he clearly fits in somewhere after reading his diary.
Andrew has been missing since the girls disappeared. They found all his creepy journals and a bunch of other evidence that makes them think he is "A". Caleb and Ezra worked with Ali to get her alone. They went to the press conference and Ezra was purposely seen looking sketchy so that they would get the license plate thinking it was Andrew. Then they called Ali with that song so that the police would go to the Campbell farm and she could escape to the kissing rock. Toby was in on the whole thing so he knew that it was Ezra and Caleb following Ali in the blue car. He led the police to them hoping they would find the girls. I'm assuming the car was a backup in case they don't have cell service or if something happened to them. That way the police would know where they were no matter what.
I think the girl really was Sara Harvey. It makes more sense to me to have her character come back than Bethany. I'm also pretty sure they found DNA evidence that the body was Bethany. That poor girl. She is going to be F'ed up after that.
So Andrew....I don't want him to be A but they sure are making it seem like that. I definitely think Jason is a twin though. To me, the silhouette of the Charles that we saw at the prom resembled Jason and Andrew just doesn't seem to have the same body type as Jason. I don't know. I'm just not sure how Andrew fits into this but he clearly fits in somewhere after reading his diary.
I feel like it's too obvious for Andrew to be Charles. Especially since that's what everyone thinks.
Andrew has been missing since the girls disappeared. They found all his creepy journals and a bunch of other evidence that makes them think he is "A". Caleb and Ezra worked with Ali to get her alone. They went to the press conference and Ezra was purposely seen looking sketchy so that they would get the license plate thinking it was Andrew. Then they called Ali with that song so that the police would go to the Campbell farm and she could escape to the kissing rock. Toby was in on the whole thing so he knew that it was Ezra and Caleb following Ali in the blue car. He led the police to them hoping they would find the girls. I'm assuming the car was a backup in case they don't have cell service or if something happened to them. That way the police would know where they were no matter what.
I think the girl really was Sara Harvey. It makes more sense to me to have her character come back than Bethany. I'm also pretty sure they found DNA evidence that the body was Bethany. That poor girl. She is going to be F'ed up after that.
So Andrew....I don't want him to be A but they sure are making it seem like that. I definitely think Jason is a twin though. To me, the silhouette of the Charles that we saw at the prom resembled Jason and Andrew just doesn't seem to have the same body type as Jason. I don't know. I'm just not sure how Andrew fits into this but he clearly fits in somewhere after reading his diary.
I feel like it's too obvious for Andrew to be Charles. Especially since that's what everyone thinks.
I agree. I can't wait until we know who the heck he is.
Sorry that I am so late to the party. I didn't get to watch until later on last night, and work has totally gotten in my way of spiraling today. I thought that the episode was great. I was happy to see Caleb and Ezra working with Ali, because we all know that the police in Rosewood aren't capable.
I am still not sure how I feel about Andrew. I don't think that he is Charles at this point, but I have no proof either way. I think the evidence that the police have is stuff that the real A left in the lair, so the police automatically assume that it is Andrew behind it all. And the girl could really be Sara, or maybe she is Bethany. I can't remember if they found out for sure, with DNA, that Bethany was in fact, the one in the grave.
Post by TheEleventhHour on Jun 3, 2015 11:58:43 GMT -5
I am also not convinced that Andrew is A. Or even that those journals that were presumably from his evidence box were actually written by him. I feel like Charles is setting up Andrew to look like A so he can avoid the police for a bit longer. My doubts about Andrew being A really stem from seeing Charles' vault in better detail. He is definitely a twin and is a DeLaurentis. And the age difference between Jason and Andrew wouldn't make sense (though it is possibly Andrew could be older than he says and he's just playing a role in high school to be closer to the girls). The Campbell Farm seems to play some role in everything as well but possibly only to make the cops looks somewhere else. I do not think the underground dollhouse was anywhere near the farm.
But it seems more logical that Andrew is just working for the A team in some capacity (with the reason unknown at this point) and that he is easy for Charles to frame to give himself more time before getting caught.
And if it is Andrew I don't think I will be happy lol.
Post by puglife5869 on Jun 3, 2015 13:48:40 GMT -5
Warning: I'm going to get a little crazy here. What if Charles is Mr. D's twin brother. Maybe he had a son that was Jasons age who died or was possibly murdered. Taking it a little further...Bethany was his daughter and she killed her brother. Charles went crazy after his son died and his daughter went to Radley and took it out on Ali. Maybe he blamed her? All of this could have happened when they were away from rosewood. Not sure where Andrew would have come into this unless A is framing him. Obviously they used to go to the Campbell farm so maybe A picked him because of the familiarity?
When spencer was talking about being next to A she said he felt familiar like meeting a cousin. That's what brought me to this.
I realize it's a little crazy but just trying to think of different reasons.
I think it is actually Sara Harvey. And she was kidnapped to play the role of Bethany Young, which is why her room looked like a Radley bedroom. He can’t use the real Bethany because Bethany is dead. Just like he used Mona to play Ali. His plan probably was to recreate that night. Or maybe he had a big plan for that night and it all went wrong so he wanted to do it again, and do it properly.
Oh shit! I totally forgot we never learned the contents of that barrel.
And last we heard of E. Lamb was that he was missing.
I forgot about the barrel too! He seems to know a lot about what went on there so it makes since that A would take him out. Well, it does if everything goes back to Radley like we think.
I think it is actually Sara Harvey. And she was kidnapped to play the role of Bethany Young, which is why her room looked like a Radley bedroom. He can’t use the real Bethany because Bethany is dead. Just like he used Mona to play Ali. His plan probably was to recreate that night. Or maybe he had a big plan for that night and it all went wrong so he wanted to do it again, and do it properly.
Love this! I was trying to figure out why her "room" wasn't decorated like the girls were but I didn't even think about it being like a room at Radley!
Question... does this show that there are two people? Do we think one of them in a mannequin?
If you look at the top left photo you see the girls looking at the camera, this was VERY close to the time they saw A behind the glass.
I thought A got up and went over there. I'm assuming that A was "on site" since Ali was showing up that night. I guess there could still be 2 people but I think it's only 1.
ETA: I remember A getting up from the computer and grabbing the mask.
I think it is actually Sara Harvey. And she was kidnapped to play the role of Bethany Young, which is why her room looked like a Radley bedroom. He can’t use the real Bethany because Bethany is dead. Just like he used Mona to play Ali. His plan probably was to recreate that night. Or maybe he had a big plan for that night and it all went wrong so he wanted to do it again, and do it properly.
I didn't make the connection that her room was a Radley room either. I know that everything always comes back to Radley. Maybe Bethany was Ali's Twin, and Charles is Jason's twin. They kept one set of kids, and shipped the other set off to Radley?
Question... does this show that there are two people? Do we think one of them in a mannequin?
If you look at the top left photo you see the girls looking at the camera, this was VERY close to the time they saw A behind the glass.
I thought A got up and went over there. I'm assuming that A was "on site" since Ali was showing up that night. I guess there could still be 2 people but I think it's only 1.
ETA: I remember A getting up from the computer and grabbing the mask.
I also saw it as A getting up and going over. I think his real computer setup is in the dollhouse. I think what Tanner and the others found at the Campbell Farm was a decoy. I think A is almost always close to the girls and has his lair there.
I thought A got up and went over there. I'm assuming that A was "on site" since Ali was showing up that night. I guess there could still be 2 people but I think it's only 1.
ETA: I remember A getting up from the computer and grabbing the mask.
I also saw it as A getting up and going over. I think his real computer setup is in the dollhouse. I think what Tanner and the others found at the Campbell Farm was a decoy. I think A is almost always close to the girls and has his lair there.
This is what I'm thinking, too. I mean, especially since he pulled the fire alarm, he had to be there.
And the lair in the dollhouse had to be a set up because why would it automatically start at the part where they girls were together and Hanna called A a bitch? If it was the real one, wouldn't it show them where ever they were at the time? It was A's way of fucking with Tanner and everyone else.
I also saw it as A getting up and going over. I think his real computer setup is in the dollhouse. I think what Tanner and the others found at the Campbell Farm was a decoy. I think A is almost always close to the girls and has his lair there.
This is what I'm thinking, too. I mean, especially since he pulled the fire alarm, he had to be there.
And the lair in the dollhouse had to be a set up because why would it automatically start at the part where they girls were together and Hanna called A a bitch? If it was the real one, wouldn't it show them where ever they were at the time? It was A's way of fucking with Tanner and everyone else.
This is what I'm thinking, too. I mean, especially since he pulled the fire alarm, he had to be there.
And the lair in the dollhouse had to be a set up because why would it automatically start at the part where they girls were together and Hanna called A a bitch? If it was the real one, wouldn't it show them where ever they were at the time? It was A's way of fucking with Tanner and everyone else.
I think it was A's way of setting up Andrew.
Yeah, that too. Frame Andrew and they won't be on Charles' case.
I also saw it as A getting up and going over. I think his real computer setup is in the dollhouse. I think what Tanner and the others found at the Campbell Farm was a decoy. I think A is almost always close to the girls and has his lair there.
I kind of thought it was a mannequin. Almost like he wanted his body there so it looked like he cared but really he had the whole thing under control still watching on the cameras and then probably leaving when he realized Ezra and Caleb were getting close. I'm sure he knew since there were alarms going off when Ali got close they probably went off again when Ezra and Caleb walked up.
To me it seemed like he was torn between Ali's "arrival" and dealing with the girls. They finally pushed him to grab his mask and go to his vault because of the fire. If the timeline in the show is correct then Caleb and Ezra didn't show up until after he had walked away from the monitors.
Post by puglife5869 on Jun 4, 2015 15:59:55 GMT -5
Also, it seems as though we can rule out Caleb, Ezra, Toby, and Tanner at this point. We know of their whereabouts during this. Unless he has someone helping him...again, I hate this show.
Post by TheEleventhHour on Jun 4, 2015 16:36:15 GMT -5
No Keegan, it is NOT obvious in every episode! I have watched this damn show all the way through twice. I still have very little idea (or I have lots of ideas but don't feel super confident about any). Like cool Charles is probably Jason's twin but even when we see his face I don't feel like I am going to go "Oh yeah! There were totally clues to this all along!!!" lol
Also, it seems as though we can rule out Caleb, Ezra, Toby, and Tanner at this point. We know of their whereabouts during this. Unless he has someone helping him...again, I hate this show.
I feel like Caleb cannot be A like at all. But I never feel safe for sure Ruling anyone else out. Although I don't think it will be tanner either. But to me it cannot be Caleb because they had him leave the show, for rosewood, and only brought him back when that show didn't thrive. So unless they really didn't know who it would be from the beginning, there is no way it's Caleb.
That's a good point about Caleb. I think if Ravenswood had been popular he wouldn't have come back (or at least not in such a major way).
I definitely don't think it is Tanner. Unless she was acting she had a definite "Oh shit!" moment when she saw the girls trapped and Mona alive. I think she was basically realizing the girls were telling the truth all along that they had nothing to do with the stuff going on in Rosewood and were victims themselves.
I don't think it's Tanner because she hasn't been involved the whole time. If there's all this info out there that we're supposed to have known from Day 1, IDK how it could possibly be her.
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