The Stork OTC - this is BS, right?

[ghostmonkey]

Jun 25, 2015 7:56:43 GMT -5 samanthasays said:

Jun 25, 2015 2:05:14 GMT -5 DanaScullyX said:

How is the at home turkey baster method really any different from a penis shooting the sperm up the canal? It's not like it holds the lazy or bad sperm up there or blocks anything from escaping.

Same sex couples? Men with performance anxiety? I am not on board with holding the sperm near the cervix since that sounds like it could increase infection risk, but having done IUI I can't judge anyone for needing to use another method to get the sperm in there. Ideally it would be with an RE's guidance, not OTC, but not everyone is lucky enough to get knocked up from penis in vagina sex. 

Really. You think not being in favor of this product means people are against ART?

[samanthasays]

Jun 25, 2015 8:17:56 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

Jun 25, 2015 7:56:43 GMT -5 samanthasays said:

Same sex couples? Men with performance anxiety? I am not on board with holding the sperm near the cervix since that sounds like it could increase infection risk, but having done IUI I can't judge anyone for needing to use another method to get the sperm in there. Ideally it would be with an RE's guidance, not OTC, but not everyone is lucky enough to get knocked up from penis in vagina sex. 

Really. You think not being in favor of this product means people are against ART?

Not at all. My response was in reply to the question of how the 'turkey baster' method is any different than sex. 

[ghostmonkey]

Jun 25, 2015 8:19:54 GMT -5 samanthasays said:

Jun 25, 2015 8:17:56 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

Really. You think not being in favor of this product means people are against ART?

Not at all. My response was in reply to the question of how the 'turkey baster' method is any different than sex. 

And then you compared it to IUI.

No.

[samanthasays]

Jun 25, 2015 8:26:30 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

Jun 25, 2015 8:19:54 GMT -5 samanthasays said:

Not at all. My response was in reply to the question of how the 'turkey baster' method is any different than sex. 

And then you compared it to IUI.

No.

Saying "I have done X so I can't judge people who consider trying Y" is not exactly a direct comparison. I also specifically said I disagree with the cup thing and think this should be done with an RE's guidance, not OTC. I am in no way defending this product. 

You are doing that thing where you fixate on one part of the sentence and try to pick a fight off of it. 

[ghostmonkey]

Jun 25, 2015 8:35:45 GMT -5 samanthasays said:

Jun 25, 2015 8:26:30 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

And then you compared it to IUI.

No.

Saying "I have done X so I can't judge people who consider trying Y" is not exactly a direct comparison. I also specifically said I disagree with the cup thing and think this should be done with an RE's guidance, not OTC. I am in no way defending this product. 

You are doing that thing where you fixate on one part of the sentence and try to pick a fight off of it. 

There are plenty of people that do home insemination. An RE is required for an IUI because the sperm is washed and placed directly in the uterus. You are comparing apples and camels.

This product is...odd to be pushing on the general population in an attempt to increase sales. Not to mention the site is full of typos and misinformation- no, it's not something I would ever support.

[samanthasays]

Jun 25, 2015 8:42:37 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

Jun 25, 2015 8:35:45 GMT -5 samanthasays said:

Saying "I have done X so I can't judge people who consider trying Y" is not exactly a direct comparison. I also specifically said I disagree with the cup thing and think this should be done with an RE's guidance, not OTC. I am in no way defending this product. 

You are doing that thing where you fixate on one part of the sentence and try to pick a fight off of it. 

There are plenty of people that do home insemination. An RE is required for an IUI because the sperm is washed and placed directly in the uterus. You are comparing apples and camels.

This product is...odd to be pushing on the general population in an attempt to increase sales. Not to mention the site is full of typos and misinformation- no, it's not something I would ever support.

I support at home insemination and think The Stork is a bull shit product. 

I don't want to see people thinking The Stork is synonymous with at home insemination, and the conversation extending to questioning "the turkey baster method" seemed to be doing that. At home insemination is a completely valid way to conceive, The Stork seems like a gimmick that could give you an infection from having spunk slammed against your cervix for an extended period of time. 

I think we agree, my comparison just threw things off. It was more a comparison on an emotional/empathetic level than a medical level. I can get where people that may need at home insemination are coming from more than I could a year ago. 

As for my RE comment, The Stork marketing seems to be targeting hetero couples that are struggling from impatience, not infertility. If you are not far enough along to need to see an RE there is probably no benefit to turning to at home insemination over sex. 

[DanaScullyX]

Jun 25, 2015 8:19:54 GMT -5 samanthasays said:

Jun 25, 2015 8:17:56 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

Really. You think not being in favor of this product means people are against ART?

Not at all. My response was in reply to the question of how the 'turkey baster' method is any different than sex. 

And I don't know how you missed the fact that I was saying that because she equated the turkey baster as being the same as this cap. I am doing the turkey baster method. I am for it, thus why I said it's the same as sex.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

[samanthasays]

Jun 25, 2015 15:31:57 GMT -5 DanaScullyX said:

Jun 25, 2015 8:19:54 GMT -5 samanthasays said:

Not at all. My response was in reply to the question of how the 'turkey baster' method is any different than sex. 

And I don't know how you missed the fact that I was saying that because she equated the turkey baster as being the same as this cap. I am doing the turkey baster method. I am for it, thus why I said it's the same as sex.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

I wasn't going after you, the comment you replied to was "It is a terrifying mixture of at-home-turkey-basting and the 'diva cup method'. Neither of which are sound fertility methods." The bolded is clearly wrong in some cases, like same sex couples and certain male ejaculation issues. I understood your comment to mean that at home insemination gives couples that need it the same odds as sex, so normal healthy couples don't need it. But there are some people that do need it to conceive, you get that, I get that, but not everyone else does. I was agreeing with you, and disagreeing with the post you replied to. 

[emilie]

Jun 25, 2015 7:57:04 GMT -5 adorebel said:

From the website: "After 4 to 6 hours, remove cap by pulling on the tampon-like pull chord."

IT'S CORD, NOT CHORD.

JFC, I cannot entrust you with my lady parts if you can't use English on your website.

Maybe it makes music when you pull it out.