"So if I decide the swastika means something great to me, then it's super cool if I put it all over everything and maybe put a flag on my porch and petition my government to fly it because I think it means something other than what it was a symbol of?
Nevermind that it was the symbol of an oppression and attempted destruction of an entire group of people. Nah. That doesn't fucking matter."
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I love that all the toolboxes in that UO thread are like "it's only a flag" - I'd like to see their reaction, then, if you were to do something to the American flag. Assholes.
Post by shadesofgold on Jun 25, 2015 12:22:03 GMT -5
This is so besides the point I won't even get into on A15's thread, but the same OP who criticized people for not understanding civics later says of the Charleston shooter: "I say the little pissant had a screw loose (sane people do not behave like that) and deserves whatever the courts can throw at him and more." But if she was such an American civics expert she would know that if a person is proven insane, they cannot get "whatever the courts can throw" at them. That's why people plead insanity, dumbass.
Also... "little pissant" seems like the understatement of the year.
That thread is also giving me some serious insight into education in the South. Having grown up in the Northeast, our elementary education about the Civil War was very much focused on slavery being bad and the North freeing the slaves from the South. Though I completely disagree with OP, her explanations on page 1 about why she likes the Confederate flag show how ingrained that thinking is in the South, probably from childhood.
That thread is also giving me some serious insight into education in the South. Having grown up in the Northeast, our elementary education about the Civil War was very much focused on slavery being bad and the North freeing the slaves from the South. Though I completely disagree with OP, her explanations on page 1 about why she likes the Confederate flag show how ingrained that thinking is in the South, probably from childhood.
As someone educated from infancy through college in the South (South Carolina, specifically), let me just say that our education was not to blame. The war was very much about a myriad of things, slavery being one of them.
I'm not saying that thinking isn't engrained in the South, but please do not blame our education system as a whole.
That thread is also giving me some serious insight into education in the South. Having grown up in the Northeast, our elementary education about the Civil War was very much focused on slavery being bad and the North freeing the slaves from the South. Though I completely disagree with OP, her explanations on page 1 about why she likes the Confederate flag show how ingrained that thinking is in the South, probably from childhood.
As someone educated from infancy through college in the South (South Carolina, specifically), let me just say that our education was not to blame. The war was very much about a myriad of things, slavery being one of them.
I'm not saying that thinking isn't engrained in the South, but please do not blame our education system as a whole.
I think it is a biased issue from both sides. As someone who grew up somewhere very liberal there was definitely a healthy dose of "the South tends to be racist" teachings, which is obviously a blanket statement and not at all universally true. Her post made me see from her side why someone who grew up in the South might defend the use of the Confederate flag, even though I completely do not agree with her stance.
That thread is also giving me some serious insight into education in the South. Having grown up in the Northeast, our elementary education about the Civil War was very much focused on slavery being bad and the North freeing the slaves from the South. Though I completely disagree with OP, her explanations on page 1 about why she likes the Confederate flag show how ingrained that thinking is in the South, probably from childhood.
As someone educated from infancy through college in the South (South Carolina, specifically), let me just say that our education was not to blame. The war was very much about a myriad of things, slavery being one of them.
I'm not saying that thinking isn't engrained in the South, but please do not blame our education system as a whole.
I think your reply is interesting in regard to Emilie's point though. I'm from the North as well, and I feel like we were very much taught that the Civil War was about slavery, first and foremost. It's interesting that from the south your first response is that you were taught the war was about a myriad of things.
Not trying to start anything here at all- just pointing out that it's interesting how different even the wording in how we are taught about the war is!
ETA- I definitely don't think education is the issue here, though....racism is the issue.
As someone educated from infancy through college in the South (South Carolina, specifically), let me just say that our education was not to blame. The war was very much about a myriad of things, slavery being one of them.
I'm not saying that thinking isn't engrained in the South, but please do not blame our education system as a whole.
I think it is a biased issue from both sides. As someone who grew up somewhere very liberal there was definitely a healthy dose of "the South tends to be racist" teachings, which is obviously a blanket statement and not at all universally true. Her post made me see from her side why someone who grew up in the South might defend the use of the Confederate flag, even though I completely do not agree with her stance.
Your OP stated "our elementary education about the Civil War was very much focused on slavery being bad and the North freeing the slaves from the South."
I'm just pointing out that our education, here in the South, taught the same things. Her education does not justify the viewpoint. I will say that there is a lot of popular sentiment that praises or lauds the Confederate flag, for a lot of reasons that I don't particularly understand or care to understand, but it is not ingrained in the education system.
I am choosing to assume that you also mean that your education taught you that the war was about more than just slavery. (I really do mean that in a nice way, so we won't discuss that point).
I'm not mad, if I am coming across that way. Your OP just rubbed me the wrong way and seemed to imply that southerners receive an education about the Civil War that does not represent facts and morality (or rather, immorality) of slavery.
As someone educated from infancy through college in the South (South Carolina, specifically), let me just say that our education was not to blame. The war was very much about a myriad of things, slavery being one of them.
I'm not saying that thinking isn't engrained in the South, but please do not blame our education system as a whole.
I think your reply is interesting in regard to Emilie's point though. I'm from the North as well, and I feel like we were very much taught that the Civil War was about slavery, first and foremost. It's interesting that from the south your first response is that you were taught the war was about a myriad of things.
Not trying to start anything here at all- just pointing out that it's interesting how different even the wording in how we are taught about the war is!
I did not mean to offend, and I'm sorry if I did. I certainly was not saying everyone from the South is racist or believes those things. Some of the points that OP brought up, having grown up in the Northeast, were just things that I had literally never considered before and had never been taught before, at school or at home. Having received a pretty black-and-white education about it in my childhood makes me realize that the whole issue of the Confederate flag is a more nuanced issue to many people who grew up down South. And I am also saying that my education was definitely biased and did not take into account the full picture of complicated issues.
Living in South Carolina for three years was very eye-opening for me, in many ways and aspects. One of the really good things about moving as frequently as we do is the chance to experience cultures in various parts of the country, and see how they are similar and how they are different.
That thread is also giving me some serious insight into education in the South. Having grown up in the Northeast, our elementary education about the Civil War was very much focused on slavery being bad and the North freeing the slaves from the South. Though I completely disagree with OP, her explanations on page 1 about why she likes the Confederate flag show how ingrained that thinking is in the South, probably from childhood.
As someone educated from infancy through college in the South (South Carolina, specifically), let me just say that our education was not to blame. The war was very much about a myriad of things, slavery being one of them.
I'm not saying that thinking isn't engrained in the South, but please do not blame our education system as a whole.
PLUS ONE!!!! Do not take the ignorance of a few loud- mouth twats and lump us all together.
I love when a single thread unites a huge chunk of TCF as a whole. It's nice when we can all come together on stuff. Even if we're just watching shit go down (like that epic thread on Parenting back in April, where the OP asked for life advice?) - it's like watching the moon landing together or something.
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