We live in between farms so we try to buy as much as we can from there. We get all of our summer fruits, beef, chicken and eggs. We know where the animal is coming from and what it's being fed. No antibiotics.
I am trying to get into planting more produce, and making my own cleaners. Teach me your ways dc2london
The reason they use feed with antibiotics is because they don't have to get an rx and it reduces the infection in the live animals, not the dead animals. Tests show that just as much food borne bacteria exists in non-treated as treated meat.
Maybe my reading comprehension is lacking, but how does this negate what I originally said?
My point was that if a human gets sick from eating undercooked meat of an abx treated animal, they have the potential to be RESISTANT to certain abx because of bacteria resistance from use in the animal.
The reason they use feed with antibiotics is because they don't have to get an rx and it reduces the infection in the live animals, not the dead animals. Tests show that just as much food borne bacteria exists in non-treated as treated meat.
Maybe my reading comprehension is lacking, but how does this negate what I originally said?
My point was that if a human gets sick from eating undercooked meat of an abx treated animal, they have the potential to be RESISTANT to certain abx because of bacteria resistance from use in the animal.
But then you said, if you don't eat undercooked meat then it's not a problem....
Maybe my reading comprehension is lacking, but how does this negate what I originally said?
My point was that if a human gets sick from eating undercooked meat of an abx treated animal, they have the potential to be RESISTANT to certain abx because of bacteria resistance from use in the animal.
But then you said, if you don't eat undercooked meat then it's not a problem....
But then you said, if you don't eat undercooked meat then it's not a problem....
Not true. I said the risk was very low.
Thanks for the link!
I guess? You can still contract bacteria even if you cook meat to proper temperature. Plus it's not just you getting sick from that specific meat. It makes more and more of the bacteria that we encounter resistant. So that doesn't fix the problem.
It has nothing to do with eating undercooked meat. It is about the consumption of the abx and the effects of biological amplification, at the very least.
I want's calling YOU out, I genuinely wanted to know if I was misled.
I wasn't thinking you were correct so I looked it up and at least this article from PBS actually does back you up, and it does site some scientific studies. I don't know if there is other research that negates this, as it was the first thing I found. www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/safe/overview.html
I make sure we buy dirty dozen foods organic, but for most other fruit or veg, it's not that big of a deal. We generally buy produce that's in season, whether it's organic or not. Most of our farmers market produce isn't organic, but it's local and damn tasty.
We pretty much only buy grass-fed beef, and sustainably raised pork. We don't eat either as much as chicken, which, it depends. Frozen chicken is whatever TJs sells. Whole chickens we go for free range and air-chilled from the co-op, because we stock up during their monthly meat sale. We'll wait for the sale vs. cooking a whole chicken from anywhere else because they taste so good. Eggs are always cage-free, but that's been kind of the norm for a while now. We buy organic milk, but I don't pay attention with other dairy. With meat, it's mostly about antibiotics and better taste for us. H also renders his own lard from organic pork for cooking, which is delicious.
Most of our pantry staples are also organic, but because it's easy to get, not because I care that much. We buy organic olive oil because it's the better quality one. Oatmeal, beans, sugar, maple syrup, and applesauce is all organic, because that's what TJ's sells. My H works here and gets a discount, so that generally offsets the price difference, which is fairly negligible anyway for pantry stuff, unless it's a specialty item.
When we eat out or at someone else's house, I couldn't give a fuck.
I don't pay attention to organics with cosmetics, toiletries, or clothes. I did research DDs crib mattress to death and bought all organic bedding because FTM.
ETA: I also don't buy household cleaning products other than vinegar, peroxide, and baking soda, because I think it's a waste of money. Occasionally I make my own beeswax lip balm and salve.
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Oh, that is fantastic. This, this is wine. Look at what these idiots are drinking. Look at these dicks! I mean obviously, it's not really delicious, like hot chocolate or Coke, but for wine...brilliant.
I want's calling YOU out, I genuinely wanted to know if I was misled.
I wasn't thinking you were correct so I looked it up and at least this article from PBS actually does back you up, and it does site some scientific studies. I don't know if there is other research that negates this, as it was the first thing I found.
It's like how you don't take antibiotics for a cold. Because the overuse of antibiotics makes the bacteria you encounter more drug resistant. If you are eating antibiotic filled chicken, you are ingesting antibiotics. Same thing occurs.
I buy organic produce when it's not wilted/sad looking, plus organic/humane meat, eggs, and milk. I'm cooking more from scratch and trying to feed our family less processed stuff, but I don't buy organic cookies or whatever just because they're organic. Sometimes I buy organic prepared foods and snacks because there are fewer additives (I am attentive to labels), but we get what we like, organic or not. There's just no tastier organic alternative to a Cheez-It, so I get the real thing.
Everything else I buy as cheap as possible in the store. Aldi FTW!
Yes is organic is on sale and the same price or close to the same price as the conventional I will choose organic. But, for example, I often choose not to spend $2.50/lb for broccoli when I can get the regular stuff for $0.99/lb
I just try not to eat tons of processed or packaged food. Mostly fruits, veggies, meats and whole grains; I don't care much if it's organic or not. I also shop at salvage stores and sometimes you can get organic things dirt cheap because they're about to expire. We just use them that day or freeze. The only thing I make a point to buy organic is strawberries.
Post by bennieangel on Jan 26, 2015 17:30:32 GMT -5
First parenting post...but I've read all 6 pages & learned a lot, so thanks!
My new goal in life is to eat how I want my kid to eat. I like to buy him organic from the dirty dozen (frozen if needed) and I read the labels for the things I buy him. That said, he eats 2 meals a day at daycare & we did not pay $250 more per week to send him to the Organic Daycare down the street because: money. So he'll get some of both. I did confirm that they serve no hormone added milk, which is delivered. We will buy organic / no-hormone milk for home.
We try not to give too much packaged food, but at daycare he gets goldfish & nutrigrain bars, etc. I have bought some of the less ingredient siblings for these things for home too. And of course he eats puffs & cheerios like they're going out of style if we let him.
I should include he's 10 months so we're still figuring this all out.
Post by anchorsaway on Jan 26, 2015 17:51:42 GMT -5
This thread was the motivation I needed to make some changes. I'm researching csa's in my area now. We do keep a lot of fruits and veggies in the house but I wanr o support local If I can.
I also do the vinegar & orange peels bc I hated the smell of store bought & thinking of the chemicals gave me anxiety when ds1 was a baby. There are some more changes I would like to make though.
We do organic milk and eggs, Mac n cheese, and snacks for the kids. We did organic baby food when the kids were eating those. I'd love to do more, but money.
We do raise and butcher most of our own meat. We garden and I'm trying to talk DH into getting chickens. But everything else is whatever is at the grocery store. I'm slowly trying to get us to eat better. DH is very picky. We don't have access to a lot of organic foods.
What I learned from this thread is that I'm jealous of @hilarityensued 's cheap eggs. My free range pastured organic eggs are $7.99 a dozen, even conventional eggs are around $4 a dozen, $3 if on sale.
We've been lucky with our Grocery Outlet, of all places, for organics. I just picked up a flat of 20 pastured eggs for $4.99!
They also carry inexpensive chia seeds, coconut flour/oil ect.
Post by wallyworld on Jan 26, 2015 18:32:06 GMT -5
Our store that carries a wide selection of organic is a hike so I rarely go now that baby #5 made her debut. I do buy organic chicken, milk, and eggs always. I buy as much organic produce and meats as I can but don't stress if its not available. I don't buy organic pastas, etc. Most important to us is avoiding processed foods, especially dyes, corn syrup, MSG, etc. We use natural toothpaste, detergents, dish soap, cleaners, etc. But we do eat out a lot though and I don't deny my kids items during holidays and parties. So we are not vigilant by any means.
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