This was afternoon, and I had to pump right sheer after (I figured I should try with full boobs) and I got 50 mls each. But she wasn't sucking long enough to get anything. She would open her mouth, get the boob, suck once or twice, then scream.
I tried reclining with her laying on her stomach, I tried using a boppy, cradle hold, cross cradle, football, dangling my boob over her while she laid down, sitting her up like we do for bottles, and then I gave up. Again.
I tried flattening the nipple like they showed me in the nicu. I tried leaving it alone. I tried the nipple shield. I tried without it. Ughhhhh.
Post by motownthrowdown on Nov 12, 2015 21:31:34 GMT -5
packmomma the numbers don't matter so much as that he's on a curve. Since he's going down, I would bring it up asap. And wtf happened the week it cut in half?!
Babies should generally stay within their curve. So every baby is different, but they each gain proportionately to themselves. If that makes sense...
packmomma the numbers don't matter so much as that he's on a curve. Since he's going down, I would bring it up asap. And wtf happened the week it cut in half?!
Babies should generally stay within their curve. So every baby is different, but they each gain proportionately to themselves. If that makes sense...
See!! this!! They kept telling me he was in the 50th percentile for a couple check ups in a row. So I thought okay he's skinny but he's on his curve so we're good. Then I check it out today and it's nothing like they said. Wtf have they been looking at?!
packmomma the numbers don't matter so much as that he's on a curve. Since he's going down, I would bring it up asap. And wtf happened the week it cut in half?!
Babies should generally stay within their curve. So every baby is different, but they each gain proportionately to themselves. If that makes sense...
See!! this!! They kept telling me he was in the 50th percentile for a couple check ups in a row. So I thought okay he's skinny but he's on his curve so we're good. Then I check it out today and it's nothing like they said. Wtf have they been looking at?!
Definitely ask. Make sure they did it right, that they have HIS chart up when they do it. Something isn't adding up.
packmomma the numbers don't matter so much as that he's on a curve. Since he's going down, I would bring it up asap. And wtf happened the week it cut in half?!
Babies should generally stay within their curve. So every baby is different, but they each gain proportionately to themselves. If that makes sense...
See!! this!! They kept telling me he was in the 50th percentile for a couple check ups in a row. So I thought okay he's skinny but he's on his curve so we're good. Then I check it out today and it's nothing like they said. Wtf have they been looking at?!
We're going in tomorrow because our curve is down. I only know this cause I called again worried about not gaining and not wanting to wait til our 4 month visit in a couple more weeks. The nurse said we should definitely be seen because of our recent drop in curve. So why didn't anyone mention it at our last sick visit when I pointed out the little gain?!
Post by motownthrowdown on Nov 12, 2015 22:29:13 GMT -5
It's probably because she's a Preemie, but our growth chart is like a whole conversation by itself lol. We do the regular chart (2nd percentile, yeah!) And then the chart for very premature girls and the chart for very low birth weight girls, and then the chart for weight vs length.
packmomma, I'm really glad you caught this. Whe my baby went down to being in the 20th percentile while he was sick I was a nervous wreck. How have his diapers looked? Are they still plenty? Are his stools any different than from when he was born? motownthrowdown, it might also be what @laverne said. When I pumped a lot (every two hours) when baby was sick my milk would come out very violently, so when I finally started BF baby, he would cry, choke and scream murder whenever he would suck. When you pump how does your milk come out? Does it explode out?
Quick vent. Went from worst pumping day ever to now e is refusing to latch. It's out of nowhere. This am he latched fine. Get home from work and we have to give him a bottle a few seconds then swap the boob in. I am so incredibly upset by this. Just needed to vent the frustration.
anaberry his diapers are clear and I think he has plenty (I stopped counting think last week). And his stools see yellow orange so I don't think it's a problem that he's not getting enough of the hindmilk. I did a full checklist in my head and everything points to a healthy boy except for the fact he's fallen off his curve and his percentiles decreased so much.
DSHM13 we have dive weighted feeds (I just stopped last week see ppd thread). He takes 2-3 oz during the day and about 4-5 at night. He usually gets fussy on the breast at night and wants to be there for hours but he's always been like that. motownthrowdown, anaberry, and @dshm thanks for the response and kind words.
Quick vent. Went from worst pumping day ever to now e is refusing to latch. It's out of nowhere. This am he latched fine. Get home from work and we have to give him a bottle a few seconds then swap the boob in. I am so incredibly upset by this. Just needed to vent the frustration.
I'm sorry. Hugs. Sometimes babies just have nursing strikes. It may or may not have some thing to do with your supply. I just went through a spell where I had more bad nursing days than good.
Quick vent. Went from worst pumping day ever to now e is refusing to latch. It's out of nowhere. This am he latched fine. Get home from work and we have to give him a bottle a few seconds then swap the boob in. I am so incredibly upset by this. Just needed to vent the frustration.
I'm really sorry you're dealing with that. If it is a nursing strike kellymom has a bunch of stuff on that. I was reading it recently because babies can go on them during ear aches or teething too.
anaberry his diapers are clear and I think he has plenty (I stopped counting think last week). And his stools see yellow orange so I don't think it's a problem that he's not getting enough of the hindmilk. I did a full checklist in my head and everything points to a healthy boy except for the fact he's fallen off his curve and his percentiles decreased so much.
DSHM13 we have dive weighted feeds (I just stopped last week see ppd thread). He takes 2-3 oz during the day and about 4-5 at night. He usually gets fussy on the breast at night and wants to be there for hours but he's always been like that. motownthrowdown, anaberry, and @dshm thanks for the response and kind words.
That sounds like me and A exactly. It's so frustrating because you are doing everything right, but the weight gain doesn't match. My mom and DH keep telling me this - she is healthy, she is smiling and happy most of the day, she eats well, she's obviously learning - this baby is thriving. Sounds like your little guy is too! Whenever I start obsessing about the weight I try to repeat everything that is going well. So much easier said than done I know (and I should try harder to take my own advice). DH has banned the scale here.
Yeah I just put ours I'm the closet and was so proud I wasn't checking it all the time. It had gotten where I'd check multiple times a day. Now I'm itching to take it out again.
See!! this!! They kept telling me he was in the 50th percentile for a couple check ups in a row. So I thought okay he's skinny but he's on his curve so we're good. Then I check it out today and it's nothing like they said. Wtf have they been looking at?!
We're going in tomorrow because our curve is down. I only know this cause I called again worried about not gaining and not wanting to wait til our 4 month visit in a couple more weeks. The nurse said we should definitely be seen because of our recent drop in curve. So why didn't anyone mention it at our last sick visit when I pointed out the little gain?!
I'm losing faith in my pediatrician that's for sure. Fx that everything is ok for you guys today.
This morning he took to the breast instantly. So hopefully it was a last night fluke. I just never felt so disheartened. But hopefully it was short lived. It really didn't help that it was when my pumping sucked. But I made more lactation cookies last night so hopefully that will help.
Post by cupcakecutiern on Nov 13, 2015 8:45:15 GMT -5
All sorts of feels for you guys-- packmomma and DSHM13 it sounds like we are all in the same boat. It makes me feel bad when people comment how little Alexis is, she's just petite, but she's eating well, peeing well, (has never been a consistent pooper, we usually go between 7-9 days) and is growing, just slowly. She's actually up a lb from her last appointment which was on 10/19. And she's almost out of newborn clothes. I need to put the scale away again. It's making me crazy analyzing every ounce.
All sorts of feels for you guys-- packmomma and DSHM13 it sounds like we are all in the same boat. It makes me feel bad when people comment how little Alexis is, she's just petite, but she's eating well, peeing well, (has never been a consistent pooper, we usually go between 7-9 days) and is growing, just slowly. She's actually up a lb from her last appointment which was on 10/19. And she's almost out of newborn clothes. I need to put the scale away again. It's making me crazy analyzing every ounce.
DD1 was always at about the 5th percentile for weight. She was always about 3 months behind in clothes sizes. She's otherwise perfectly healthy, just slim and tall. She's 2 yr and 5 mos and fits in some 18mo clothes, some 24mo, and some 2T
Well I talked to the nurse at my pediatrician and she said they give a lot of leeway to bf babies and that as long as he continues to gain and is alert they don't worry. So he might keep dropping percentile but as long as it doesn't go from 29 to 5 they don't worry. Apparently since he had such a hard time gaining in the beginning his curve is much lower than it would have been (would have been in the 70's now it's in the high 20's). So I guess I just keep watching it. He's in 3-6 because he's so long but he's just so skinny everything is huge on him. Big hugs to all the moms dealing with slow growing babies. Don't they know this is stressful for us?!
All sorts of feels for you guys-- packmomma and DSHM13 it sounds like we are all in the same boat. It makes me feel bad when people comment how little Alexis is, she's just petite, but she's eating well, peeing well, (has never been a consistent pooper, we usually go between 7-9 days) and is growing, just slowly. She's actually up a lb from her last appointment which was on 10/19. And she's almost out of newborn clothes. I need to put the scale away again. It's making me crazy analyzing every ounce.
people need to shut up, we come in all sizes and colors and noone needs to hear the obvious overstated. Last week at grocery we saw a girl born two days b4 Nelson and he was 3x as big, i worry my lo is going to be obese and he is not even eating solid food yet. Also his head is misshapen and i have to put a box next to his face so he will look to the left during floor time. Too many worries.
All sorts of feels for you guys-- packmomma and DSHM13 it sounds like we are all in the same boat. It makes me feel bad when people comment how little Alexis is, she's just petite, but she's eating well, peeing well, (has never been a consistent pooper, we usually go between 7-9 days) and is growing, just slowly. She's actually up a lb from her last appointment which was on 10/19. And she's almost out of newborn clothes. I need to put the scale away again. It's making me crazy analyzing every ounce.
people need to shut up, we come in all sizes and colors and noone needs to hear the obvious overstated. Last week at grocery we saw a girl born two days b4 Nelson and he was 3x as big, i worry my lo is going to be obese and he is not even eating solid food yet. Also his head is misshapen and i have to put a box next to his face so he will look to the left during floor time. Too many worries.
+1 I'm with you on people need to shut up. And also W's head is lopsided. He favored laying his head to the right as well we position him lying on his left but damage was done. Our children will be fine. ..maybe they just can't rock a buzz cut when they're older.
motownthrowdown, bottle-fed babies expect to get milk from the bottle as soon as they begin sucking. When she's at the breast, she most likely isn't getting anything in the first few sucks. It will be a slight delay before she stimulates a let-down, and that's probably pretty frustrating and discouraging for her. It might help to pump for a minute or two to get milk flowing before putting her on. You might also try hand expressing a drop of milk onto your nipple before you latch her so she understands that there is milk there.
If that doesn't help (I would try at least a few times before giving up on those strategies), you might also consult with a lactation consultant. There is thin tubing (called a french 5 or 5 french, I can't remember) that you attach to a syringe and slip the tubing into her mouth while she's at the breast. You put pumped milk or formula in the syringe and it helps give baby motivation to keep sucking if the flow of milk is slow or let down hasn't occurred yet.
I'm sorry this is so frustrating. I admire your perseverance in pumping for her and trying to get her onto the breast. You're doing awesome!
Well I talked to the nurse at my pediatrician and she said they give a lot of leeway to bf babies and that as long as he continues to gain and is alert they don't worry. So he might keep dropping percentile but as long as it doesn't go from 29 to 5 they don't worry. Apparently since he had such a hard time gaining in the beginning his curve is much lower than it would have been (would have been in the 70's now it's in the high 20's). So I guess I just keep watching it. He's in 3-6 because he's so long but he's just so skinny everything is huge on him. Big hugs to all the moms dealing with slow growing babies. Don't they know this is stressful for us?!
Were you ladies all given a lot of fluid during labor? I can't remember if we discussed this before. My LC said babies born with long labors and lots of fluid to the mom come out swollen...so their weights are higher and they "lose" more at the very beginning. So it creates the illusion that they are losing too much and gaining not enough...but in fact, they were water logged at birth. No idea how true this is but it was a concept that I found very interesting!
No. I had an extremely quick labor, but Alexis was in the NICU for a couple hours and they gave her fluids then. I have heard that tho--it would def play a role, they would lose the fluid faster than bm or formula.
I'm going crazy. E won't latch the past 24 hours without a bottle first. I was able to trick him at 2 and 7 am with a bottle the transfer but just now he downed a whole bottle refusing to nurse. And now after he is happy to nurse for more. I ha no stash. And pumping is hell for me. I don't know what to do. I am trying so hard to not take it personally but jeez kid.
astheria do you think it's a nursing strike? DD1 had one, but she was older, maybe 7 months. It lasted 2 days max but was very upsetting for me. La leche league has some good info on it.
I think it might be. I'm just not sure how to cope. He took a bottle then nursed on top of it about an hour ago. Btwn that, pumping not going well at all, and my husbands anxiety keeping us from doing things as a family I'm having a bit of a mental breakdown. I'm trying really hard to say this will all pass but it's so difficult atm.
I think it might be. I'm just not sure how to cope. He took a bottle then nursed on top of it about an hour ago. Btwn that, pumping not going well at all, and my husbands anxiety keeping us from doing things as a family I'm having a bit of a mental breakdown. I'm trying really hard to say this will all pass but it's so difficult atm.
Hugs, I believe I read that most nursing strikes only last 2-3 days. What helped us was me offering frequently, like every hour, but not forcing it. And tons of skin to skin. I would wear her around the house with both of us topless. I hope it resolves quickly for you.
I might try this later and tomorrow. What sucks is I had to come into the lab so his next feeding will be a bottle no matter what since I'm here. I'm beginning to hate my pump and bottles simply bc it was going so well until all this. Just trying to remind myself that it is ok if it doesn't work out and it's ok if I can't produce more. But it's difficult on my self esteem I guess. hopefully he will be a happy nurser again soon.
Well I talked to the nurse at my pediatrician and she said they give a lot of leeway to bf babies and that as long as he continues to gain and is alert they don't worry. So he might keep dropping percentile but as long as it doesn't go from 29 to 5 they don't worry. Apparently since he had such a hard time gaining in the beginning his curve is much lower than it would have been (would have been in the 70's now it's in the high 20's). So I guess I just keep watching it. He's in 3-6 because he's so long but he's just so skinny everything is huge on him. Big hugs to all the moms dealing with slow growing babies. Don't they know this is stressful for us?!
Were you ladies all given a lot of fluid during labor? I can't remember if we discussed this before. My LC said babies born with long labors and lots of fluid to the mom come out swollen...so their weights are higher and they "lose" more at the very beginning. So it creates the illusion that they are losing too much and gaining not enough...but in fact, they were water logged at birth. No idea how true this is but it was a concept that I found very interesting!
I had a super long labor(26 hrs) so this accounts for stove of the weight loss but not such a huge drop. But if the docs aren't worried then I'm going to try not to.
Hugs, I believe I read that most nursing strikes only last 2-3 days. What helped us was me offering frequently, like every hour, but not forcing it. And tons of skin to skin. I would wear her around the house with both of us topless. I hope it resolves quickly for you.
I might try this later and tomorrow. What sucks is I had to come into the lab so his next feeding will be a bottle no matter what since I'm here. I'm beginning to hate my pump and bottles simply bc it was going so well until all this. Just trying to remind myself that it is ok if it doesn't work out and it's ok if I can't produce more. But it's difficult on my self esteem I guess. hopefully he will be a happy nurser again soon.
I think more milk plus really worked for me to increase supply. (The liquid kind) That and water. I attempt to get a gallon a day. When I pump now I get 3-4 oz total.
I might try this later and tomorrow. What sucks is I had to come into the lab so his next feeding will be a bottle no matter what since I'm here. I'm beginning to hate my pump and bottles simply bc it was going so well until all this. Just trying to remind myself that it is ok if it doesn't work out and it's ok if I can't produce more. But it's difficult on my self esteem I guess. hopefully he will be a happy nurser again soon.
I think more milk plus really worked for me to increase supply. (The liquid kind) That and water. I attempt to get a gallon a day. When I pump now I get 3-4 oz total.
I have the more milk plus. I just suck at remembering to take it. I need to set a phone alarm I think. And water. That's always going to be my issue. I need more for sure. No one ever said how hard this would be before I got pregnant. I wish someone had so I would have been prepared.
Were you ladies all given a lot of fluid during labor? I can't remember if we discussed this before. My LC said babies born with long labors and lots of fluid to the mom come out swollen...so their weights are higher and they "lose" more at the very beginning. So it creates the illusion that they are losing too much and gaining not enough...but in fact, they were water logged at birth. No idea how true this is but it was a concept that I found very interesting!
I had a super long labor(26 hrs) so this accounts for stove of the weight loss but not such a huge drop. But if the docs aren't worried then I'm going to try not to.
William was 95th percentile down to 35% at his two month. We expected he would thin out at some point. I make a ton of milk so that isn't a problem. Pedi wasn't concerned over the drop
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