Post by jubilantsquirrel on Apr 4, 2016 1:28:44 GMT -5
I missed the Eugene RV scene. We started watching the recording late and about 10 minutes into the recording (an hour into the episode) it froze and then our cable box turned off. It took about 6 minutes for it to come back on. We saw Eugene saying that the Saviors will be looking for the RV and then it picked back up again with them carrying Maggie through the woods. I'm sad I missed Eugene's goodbye.
I'm still pissed off at the cop out ending they chose. I need to vent it out.
I was so pissy when Gimple and Kirkman were sitting there defending and explaining it on TD-Kirkman going on about how the comics end in cliffhangers. Guess which one didn't? That's right Kirkman, you didn't cliffhanger this death in the comics because it was that important. I don't remember having to go to Issue 101 to see the body because you did it in cheap first person view.
And Gimple acting like a smug ass explaining how "storytelling" works. I don't think he understands it because that scene is about the death, but it's supposed to feel like you're part of the group helplessly watching. Or at least it did for me.
To me, that scene on the comic is so powerful. You feel like you're part of the group helplessly watching a beloved character get brutally murdered. Not that I love excessive amounts of violence and gore, but this was THE MOMENT from the comics and they robbed everyone of that.
I know actors and real life makes a difference with contracts and all of that jazz. But Game of Thrones has the balls to stick to the source material (or what Martin has indicated to them will be future source material/general character arcs) and kill off beloved characters. If they strayed from that, people would be pissed off because that's not the story that's supposed to be told.
This was TWD's Red Wedding moment, and they blew it.
If anyone but Daryl or Glenn dies, I'm going to be angry and stop watching for a bit. It's a cop-out to not kill a really beloved character because people threaten to stop watching.Everybody says the same shit about GoT, yet people are still tuning in and subscribing to HBO to do so
A cliffhanger is great when you really don't know an outcome and can debate it. We have known for months someone is going to die. This was a cheap ploy to get out their new #whoisit hastage garbage. I thought TWD was better than that.
Sorry that was a long rant, but I have serious feels about this.
Post by peaseblossom55 on Apr 4, 2016 8:28:56 GMT -5
I'm still angry for so many of the reasons people have mentioned here. I hope I'll get over it enough to enjoy season 7 when it comes back. Although for record I'm still not over Lost and that ended about 5 years ago?
I'm still angry for so many of the reasons people have mentioned here. I hope I'll get over it enough to enjoy season 7 when it comes back. Although for record I'm still not over Lost and that ended about 5 years ago?
oh my gosh! Yes!! I'm still "what the hell" over that!
I'm glad I'm not the only one. I still have my list in our study back home of questions that were never answered by Lost....
1) They chose to kill a more minor character (Abraham, Eugene, Sasha), which would be a cop out because this is a very important scene and everyone has been expecting and preparing for a major character (Glenn, Daryl) to die.
or
2) They did kill a major character, and it is a huge cop out not to give that character the respect of showing their death as it happened and allowing the fans to grieve for the loss of a favorite character.
Either way, I've lost a lot of respect for the writers after this season. First with the Glenn fake out death, and now this. The show was good enough that they didn't need to add these stupid "confuse the viewers" things. Let the actors and the writing speak for themselves and don't try to be all confusing. It's so unnecessary.
cjchio All of that, yes. MH and I legit turned off the tv when Gimple & Kirkman where defending the cliffhanger ending. When Kirkman knows damn well that he ended that comic showing Glenn's death. And we knew who Negan chose before he killed them because he announced it to the group. I will legit be fucking salty as hell if they reveal they killed a secondary character in the beginning of season 7. After all this build up to the finale and how it was hyped up as much as it was, only to be boring as shit aside from the last half hour, I would not be surprised if they did go that route. MH & I have been heated about this all night and this morning.
cjchio All of that, yes. MH and I legit turned off the tv when Gimple & Kirkman where defending the cliffhanger ending. When Kirkman knows damn well that he ended that comic showing Glenn's death. And we knew who Negan chose before he killed them because he announced it to the group. I will legit be fucking salty as hell if they reveal they killed a secondary character in the beginning of season 7. After all this build up to the finale and how it was hyped up as much as it was, only to be boring as shit aside from the last half hour, I would not be surprised if they did go that route. MH & I have been heated about this all night and this morning.
Kirkman and Gimple's responses made things worse. I loved how the livestream for questioms had "technical difficulties".
Post by sleepymonkey on Apr 4, 2016 10:21:07 GMT -5
At first I thought that the person killed was someone that was in the RV because of all the talk about how they should love and hug the ones they were with. But then I was thinking that throughout the show, they show the first-person perspective of someone that Negan had already captured and was in the trailer. I think it's a good possibility that the first-person view throughout the show was the same up until the end so it is most likely someone in the trailer that was "lucilled". And it looked like the view through the holes and slits in the trailer was from someone at the front of the trailer and I think the person in the front who came out first was Darryl (Glenn was last if I remember correctly.)
Post by ThankfulSnail on Apr 4, 2016 11:15:02 GMT -5
I told DH on Saturday that we weren't going to see Negan until the last 10 minutes (there were 9 minutes left when he came on screen) and that it would end on a cliffhanger, but I was really hoping I would be wrong.
I think Glenn met Lucille. I think they would have given Daryl a more proper goodbye than having exactly 0 lines in his last episode. If not Glenn, then I think it was Eugene because of his proper goodbye and the fact that he already gave the instructions on how to make bullets to Rick- really the only purpose he still had.
Carl locking Enid in the closet was a major dick move. He is not a pleasant character but I don't think he's ever been less likeable.
That 90 minute episode could have easily been 60 minutes.
I will keep watching no matter who dies because I am emotionally invested. I kept watching freaking Glee until the end because I was sure I needed to know how it ended. I really should have stopped after season 1 or 2. But I will never learn.
Post by kawaiikitsune on Apr 4, 2016 12:52:03 GMT -5
I will indeed continue to watch because the show is finally catching up to the comics and there have been way more character tie-ins than before. The Kingdom is one of my favorite groups so now that they are getting screen-time, I have to keep watching. Plus, I'm invested at this point. MH does not share my sentiment and is washing his hands of TWD for FTWD.
The more I think about last night's episode, the more pissed I get. The way Glenn spoke out when Negan was on Maggie makes me think it may be him. However, her pregnancy scare right now was not in the comics at all so that is a completely new scenario. Idk anymore with these writers and their pseudo-deep plots. I was wrong about the whole Glenn "is he dead or is he alive" deal so at this point, I am at a loss.
Post by snakefisherbub on Apr 5, 2016 3:03:03 GMT -5
I just finished watching.
I actually really liked this episode except the ending. It was scary to see Rick get out maneuvered and just see how bad the situation was getting. They were ready for him and he was not prepared at all. Something we don't see very often. I honestly don't know who met Lucille but fuck man my heart is pounding. Negan is a scary mother fucker.
Post by sleepymonkey on Apr 6, 2016 11:37:25 GMT -5
I just came across this theory about who got killed and I found it interesting: LINK It makes a lot of sense to me and goes along with who MH is convinced it was.
Post by LadyNymeria on Apr 6, 2016 11:46:59 GMT -5
I had heard people talking about the first person view too sleepymonkey, and they kept saying it looked like the view was from the first person to get out of the van. But picture 4 of 5 in the link you posted shows the top of someone's head (I assume Daryl's) in front of the person whose view that is. In picture 5 of 5 Michonne looks too far off to the side for it to be her view and I don't think they'd kill off Rosita - she doesn't seem important enough for that moment. So that leaves me thinking Glenn again - although I still don't see how Glenn would have had it in him to sit up after the first hit.
I think that Gimple mentioned the "clues" just so the fans would spend all summer obsessing over who it was and dissecting every possible "clue." I think there were enough "clues" that it could be a variety of people.
I've also heard it argued that the clues could be the Savior that kept mentioning to Rick that this could be his last day with one of the people with him (in the RV), meaning it was one of the RV people who got the bat.
So I don't know. I'm fairly convinced its either Eugene or Abraham for a variety of reasons. I don't think Daryl or Glenn got enough screen time this episode for it to be their final episode, and I don't think either of them could have gotten back up after the first hit.
I had heard people talking about the first person view too sleepymonkey , and they kept saying it looked like the view was from the first person to get out of the van. But picture 4 of 5 in the link you posted shows the top of someone's head (I assume Daryl's) in front of the person whose view that is. In picture 5 of 5 Michonne looks too far off to the side for it to be her view and I don't think they'd kill off Rosita - she doesn't seem important enough for that moment. So that leaves me thinking Glenn again - although I still don't see how Glenn would have had it in him to sit up after the first hit.
But like they said, in one shot, it looked like the POV was from someone on the passenger side of the trailer. I think the only ones on that side were Daryl and Michonne. I never noticed the top of someone's head in the shot when I was watching the episode so I thought the POV was from the person closest to the doors (Daryl). I could totally see it being Michonne that was killed - she's a badass and I could see her being able to get back up after the first hit. And her death would affect a lot of people, Rick and Carl mainly but all of Alexandria because she was trying to continue Deanna's legacy or trying to build up the community. I still wouldn't be shocked if it were Glenn but I now think it's probably not Daryl. And I can't see how it would be Rosita because she wouldn't be that great of a loss to most people. Besides, Danai Gurira has other stuff going on with writing plays and such so maybe she wanted to go focus on that more.
Post by LadyNymeria on Apr 6, 2016 12:18:49 GMT -5
I would be really sad if it was Michonne. I'm not totally sold on her and Rick hooking up yet, but I've always loved her character.
ceejay - And now that you mention it I don't think Daryl could have gotten up after the first hit either. I forgot he had been shot. I feel like Eugene is a contender since he's gotten to be a bigger character lately and had that whole goodbye scene.
Post by sleepymonkey on Apr 6, 2016 12:24:23 GMT -5
So is anyone going to watch Fear the Walking Dead? We watched last season and were underwhelmed but not enough to stop watching. I'm sure we'll watch this season but it's not something I'm waiting for with anticipation.
So is anyone going to watch Fear the Walking Dead? We watched last season and were underwhelmed but not enough to stop watching. I'm sure we'll watch this season but it's not something I'm waiting for with anticipation.
I'll be watching. I liked it enough by the end of last season to keep watching this season. I'm not a fan of any of the characters yet, but it's interesting to see how things started at the beginning of the outbreak.
Post by kawaiikitsune on Apr 6, 2016 14:57:55 GMT -5
I know the writers on TWD don't necessarily follow the comics but a lot of the characters in that circle play a huge role in the series further down the road. I honestly don't know how they could compensate for that if they alter it. It would take some serious modifications to the story. I truly feel that if it isn't Glenn, they are doing a huge injustice. Since Kirkman wrote this episode, and he has vehemently said that he is committed to sticking with the story in the comic in regards to the character death, I have a strong suspicion that it will be Glenn. However, he also defended why he made the episode a cliffhanger, stating that a lot of the issues end as such, when in reality, not that many do. They may end on a suspenseful note but not that many cliffhanger endings. If he starts to kill a character or drop a bombshell, it is usually revealed by the end of the issue. So the fact that he is basically lying about that makes me question his claims about sticking to it being Glenn. I would be really disappointed if it isn't because his death really changes Maggie (as well as several other main characters) into the person she is now so without it, idk.
MH & I are totally feeling FTWD. I was underwhelmed at first but the more it progressed, the more we liked it. I am really excited for the season 2 premiere this Sunday.
Post by kawaiikitsune on Apr 8, 2016 16:33:37 GMT -5
Gimple needs to have several seats and just stop talking. You are not going to convince any fans that ending the season like that was acceptable. Ever. So stop trying. Accept your backlash like a fucking adult because, frankly, it is warranted.
kawaiikitsune - After that finale he's an asshole in my mind and nothing he says is going to change that opinion!!
I'm still mad about how it ended. Fans were going to come back in October no matter what. It's not like they needed to bait us to keep watching!!
Exactly.
And using the excuse that they need time to try figure out how they're going to pull off the murder scene is total BS. Negan was introduced in the comics in 2012. They knew, at some point, he would make an appearance on the show. They have had plenty of time to get that shit together. He is legit grasping at straws trying to justify it and no one is buying what he is selling.
Post by jubilantsquirrel on Apr 8, 2016 16:59:06 GMT -5
Gimple needs a lesson on what a proper cliffhanger is. I love cliffhangers, they are great when executed properly.
When there's a twist at the end of an episode that the viewers didn't see coming and they're left saying "Holy shit! I can't wait for next season to see what happens!", that's a proper cliffhanger.
When the viewers have known basically all season how the last few minutes of the finale were going to go - Negan would be introduced and one of the main characters would become violently acquainted with Lucille - it's no longer a cliffhanger. That scene in itself didn't hold any shock value, the intensity of the scene would have come from the character who met their demise. That scene seriously had the potential to be one of the best scenes in TWD history, in my opinion. But that's all lost now because they decided to dick us around.
Also, I feel like this "cliffhanger" takes away from the character's death. Like, when we finally find out who died next season it's going to be more like "Finally, now we can move the fuck on".
I was done with Gimple when he tried to explain what cliffhangers were and why they are important in storytelling on TD. We're not stupid, we know what cliffhangers are. We didn't hate the ending because we didn't understand what a cliffhanger is.
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