Post by olivegoose on Mar 26, 2015 21:51:34 GMT -5
I don't know if this is Echolalia or really what it all encompasses, but I'm curious.
DD has a tendency to repeat thing I say back to me later. I used to think it was cute, but as she gets older I am starting to get concerned. For example, if I have my "mom voice" on and am correcting her behavior, her response is often to mimic my tone and tell me something I need to do differently that makes no sense. When she expresses her affection she always uses the same terms that others do, she doesn't say anything unique. She also comes home from different places (preschool, Grandma's) and say stuff that makes no sense and I have called my parents on several occasions trying to figure out what she's talking about because when I ask for details she either changes the subject or says she doesn't know.
Could that kind of stuff be Echolalia? Her OT said it could be an auditory processing thing- she hears stuff and then repeats it even though she doesn't understand it.
Post by mrsbuttinski on Mar 27, 2015 5:36:09 GMT -5
Your OT is out of her area of expertise and guessing. Same as me.
Echolalia is generally when a child repeats words and phrases they've heard. Sometimes this is verbatim dialog from a TV show, sometimes it is part of a statement from another person and sometimes it's palilalia where they repeat themselves.
This sounds a bit more like scripted speech if you have trouble understanding it. Sometimes this is a function of poor expressive language or a limited vocabulary.
Sometimes kids with limited auditory memory will subvocalize as a strategy to remember steps to a task. This is a bit like talking to yourself in the grocery store if you're trying to recall what you need without a list. You might see this is you asked your child to go to another room to wash her hands, brush her teeth and then bring you her hairbrush and shoes.
Actually, echolalia is auditory processing. Sometimes they are repeating the words to process a meaning. It could be a combination of scripted speech and echolalia. So like sometimes, Kenz will repeat sounds or phrases she hears. Like "Alert Alert Alert." Or she often fixes on a word I say and repeats it. Like today I was explaining why we needed to turn of electronics so we don't have a fire. And she kept saying "fire fire what's a fire fire fire what's fire." She knows what fire is, she was just repeating the word. Or my husband said "could you be in an more inconvenient spot" and she said "inconvenient inconvenient." Sometimes, she will use scripted speech at another time. So I can tell she's taken a phrase. Like "you're fired you're fired." Or if you ask her how to brush her teeth, she repeats "up and down, back and forth, bottom to top."
Post by mrsbuttinski on Mar 27, 2015 9:05:01 GMT -5
Sometimes that kind of repetition- repeating a word or phrase- is a kind of verbal stereotypy. Like most stimming, it's done because the behavior has some positive payoff associated.
Have you gotten a ST and have them evaluate your child?
They can tell if the child has echolalia.
DS's ST's have shared with me he has had echolalia.
DS's psychologist was able to pinpoint DS's. Most of his was functional- he'd pull a line from TV or a book and insert it logically into a conversation or offer it as an answer to a question. Because he had a very finely tuned ear from 30 years of working with HFA and AS, he could identify sources. LOL, he once asked me if I minded that DS was turning into Clint Eastwood.
Have you gotten a ST and have them evaluate your child?
They can tell if the child has echolalia.
DS's ST's have shared with me he has had echolalia.
DS's psychologist was able to pinpoint DS's. Most of his was functional- he'd pull a line from TV or a book and insert it logically into a conversation or offer it as an answer to a question. Because he had a very finely tuned ear from 30 years of working with HFA and AS, he could identify sources. LOL, he once asked me if I minded that DS was turning into Clint Eastwood.
LOL.
You do have a point mrs. b.
Our Aba trainer we used to have gave me some techniques to cut the echolalia but she was a special ed teacher that taught an ASD class.
Have you gotten a ST and have them evaluate your child?
They can tell if the child has echolalia.
DS's ST's have shared with me he has had echolalia.
DS's psychologist was able to pinpoint DS's. Most of his was functional- he'd pull a line from TV or a book and insert it logically into a conversation or offer it as an answer to a question. Because he had a very finely tuned ear from 30 years of working with HFA and AS, he could identify sources. LOL, he once asked me if I minded that DS was turning into Clint Eastwood.
Yes! Like i will hear DD talking and I can identify where she gets expressions. She inserts them, sometimes correctly, sometimes not, into her conversation. Like she will say "totally" in this inflection I know she has gotten from TV. But often it's like not quite the right placement. I think when she does this it's functional, like she uses phrases she hears as a tool to help construct what she thinks is normal conversation. If that makes sense. It's like she's picking things she hears and implementing them to sound normal, instead of using phrases naturally the way most people do.
Have you gotten a ST and have them evaluate your child?
They can tell if the child has echolalia.
DS's ST's have shared with me he has had echolalia.
DS's psychologist was able to pinpoint DS's. Most of his was functional- he'd pull a line from TV or a book and insert it logically into a conversation or offer it as an answer to a question. Because he had a very finely tuned ear from 30 years of working with HFA and AS, he could identify sources. LOL, he once asked me if I minded that DS was turning into Clint Eastwood.
DD does some functional scripting it was easier last year when I was with her most of the time but as she goes to school more and more it's getting harder to catch some of the subtle ones. Right now I can tell a few because one of her ABA therapists has a heavy southern accent (something DD doesn't have in her original speech) but there are one or two things I think are scripts but am not 100% certain. She usually scripts something for a bit then makes it her own, like the 'lets go to the potty' one she had earlier this year is now 'I need to potty'
I feel like she does it when she isn't sure what to say or is anxious. She also pulls a lot from shows she watches and uses that as sort of a guideline for behavior. Daniel Tiger is a huge one, so thank goodness for that.
DS's psychologist was able to pinpoint DS's. Most of his was functional- he'd pull a line from TV or a book and insert it logically into a conversation or offer it as an answer to a question. Because he had a very finely tuned ear from 30 years of working with HFA and AS, he could identify sources. LOL, he once asked me if I minded that DS was turning into Clint Eastwood.
Yes! Like i will hear DD talking and I can identify where she gets expressions. She inserts them, sometimes correctly, sometimes not, into her conversation. Like she will say "totally" in this inflection I know she has gotten from TV. But often it's like not quite the right placement. I think when she does this it's functional, like she uses phrases she hears as a tool to help construct what she thinks is normal conversation. If that makes sense. It's like she's picking things she hears and implementing them to sound normal, instead of using phrases naturally the way most people do.
Tessa does this all the time. She'll use a phrase like "you've got to be kidding me" ALL THE TIME and sometimes it's in response to "we're having pizza for dinner" and sometimes it's in response to "we need to go to the store sometime this week" as I'm talking to H.
Have you gotten a ST and have them evaluate your child?
They can tell if the child has echolalia.
DS's ST's have shared with me he has had echolalia.
DS's psychologist was able to pinpoint DS's. Most of his was functional- he'd pull a line from TV or a book and insert it logically into a conversation or offer it as an answer to a question. Because he had a very finely tuned ear from 30 years of working with HFA and AS, he could identify sources. LOL, he once asked me if I minded that DS was turning into Clint Eastwood.
This is the point we're at, except sub out Clint Eastwood for Daniel Tiger or Sir Toppum Hat at this point. Last week, I got yelled at from the back seat, and was repeatedly told that because I was going the wrong direction (at least according to her), I "have caused confusion and delay!"
My DD used a lot of functional echolalia when she was 3-4. She also had a lot of scripted speech, but every time we've had her screened by an SLP, she uses appropriate pragmatic language. The echolalia has pretty much gone away, and the scripts have changed. They're much less rigid than they used to be. If I hear her using someone else's words as if they're her own, I call her on it.
I've heard that for some kids with ADHD constant chatter can be the outlet for their hyperactivity. DD doesn't appear hyperactive, and she seems to be able to control it at school, but at home she never stops talking. Never.
Post by new2011mommy on Mar 28, 2015 20:07:24 GMT -5
My DS's pediatrician was concerned with his echolalia last year when he was 3. She said he should not be echoing back to responses by 3. So if I said DS do you want to go outside, he would say go outside. She said he should be responding yes at age 3. Once I learned it was an issue, I would prompt him to respond yes or no. A year later he is answering appropriately. He also uses scripted language and repeats phrases he hears on tv or that he hears other people say. He has a receptive and expressive speech delay and is in speech therapy. If you are concerned, I think call for a speech evaluation. Our initial one was through our school district, when they denied services, my insurance covered the private evaluation, and then I was able to get the school to offer him services.
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