I don't think clothes should define a person, or that you should have to stick with any particular style of clothing.
I did an assessment on a Scene Kid last night. They genuinely confuse me. From what I understand they all dress exactly the same in an effort to show how different they are.
We should stay home and get paid. A UO with my employer. Why can't they just give me their money
On a similar theme. If I don't have any work to do let me go home. I have plenty I can do there. If you need me to do something give me a call and I can log in from home and take care of it. It seems fair to me. UO with my manager.
Post by PepperPottsJ on Apr 28, 2016 8:32:06 GMT -5
Soooo.... I find the below below not supportive and completely counter intuitive to NIAW - I don't totally fault TCF, but shame on you FertilityIQ
The question should be how do we support women in STEM and Finance, and this post felt like shaming. This country has a dismal state of affairs with regards to women/girls in STEM and Finance. Building support and positive awareness is the only way to change this. Shaming me for my choice of career doesn't help. If I want to be told my job is the source of my IF, I can call my mother-in-law.
...andplusalso correlation does not equal causation
I don't think clothes should define a person, or that you should have to stick with any particular style of clothing.
I did an assessment on a Scene Kid last night. They genuinely confuse me. From what I understand they all dress exactly the same in an effort to show how different they are.
I don't think clothes should define a person, or that you should have to stick with any particular style of clothing.
I did an assessment on a Scene Kid last night. They genuinely confuse me. From what I understand they all dress exactly the same in an effort to show how different they are.
Fftc what is a Scene Kid?
They are like a weird combination of punk, goth, and rainbows. They have hair reminiscent of depeche mode, and love all things found at hot top.ic.
Soooo.... I find the below below not supportive and completely counter intuitive to NIAW - I don't totally fault TCF, but shame on you FertilityIQ
The question should be how do we support women in STEM and Finance, and this post felt like shaming. This country has a dismal state of affairs with regards to women/girls in STEM and Finance. Building support and positive awareness is the only way to change this. Shaming me for my choice of career doesn't help. If I want to be told my job is the source of my IF, I can call my mother-in-law.
...andplusalso correlation does not equal causation
+1 to all of this.
I thought that post was really strange. I didn't understand the point it was trying to make but I knew that it bothered me. Shame on FertiltiyIQ for making that post and shame on TCF for sharing it.
Last Edit: Apr 28, 2016 8:54:04 GMT -5 by lilsneezy
TTC #1 since August 2013 DX: Endo November 2014: Hysteroscopy, D&C June - September 2015: Clomid + Novarel + IUI #1-3 January 2017: Laparoscopy - endo removed
Soooo.... I find the below below not supportive and completely counter intuitive to NIAW - I don't totally fault TCF, but shame on you FertilityIQ
The question should be how do we support women in STEM and Finance, and this post felt like shaming. This country has a dismal state of affairs with regards to women/girls in STEM and Finance. Building support and positive awareness is the only way to change this. Shaming me for my choice of career doesn't help. If I want to be told my job is the source of my IF, I can call my mother-in-law.
...andplusalso correlation does not equal causation
+1 to all of this.
I thought that post was really strange. I didn't understand the point it was trying to make but I knew that it bothered me. Shame on FertiltiyIQ for making that post and shame on TCF for sharing it.
I don't understand what point it is trying make. Is it implying because teachers have summers off they have more time for treatments? Or that their jobs are less stressful? Or that teachers just make craploads of money so they do what they want?
TTC #1 since August 2013 DX: Endo November 2014: Hysteroscopy, D&C June - September 2015: Clomid + Novarel + IUI #1-3 January 2017: Laparoscopy - endo removed
Post by ohinvrtedworld on Apr 28, 2016 9:09:22 GMT -5
Hmm I didn't read that post negatively. I read it as wanting all vocations and careers to be supportive of IF treatment (time off for appointments, good insurance coverage, working from home options, etc.) I'm not sure what I'm missing.
Post by ohinvrtedworld on Apr 28, 2016 9:10:49 GMT -5
I don't see how teachers could have it easier though except for maybe having more women in the workplace? Maybe more understanding? I agree that there's a lot of data missing that'd maybe make a way better point.
Hmm I didn't read that post negatively. I read it as wanting all vocations and careers to be supportive of IF treatment (time off for appointments, good insurance coverage, working from home options, etc.) I'm not sure what I'm missing.
I read it as success of the treatment. Not access to treatment. IMO not everything on IF has to be shared.
That is what it says. Hmm. I guess it does make it sound like "more stress, more problems." That post is becoming more odd now that I think about it.
I thought that post was really strange. I didn't understand the point it was trying to make but I knew that it bothered me. Shame on FertiltiyIQ for making that post and shame on TCF for sharing it.
I don't understand what point it is trying make. Is it implying because teachers have summers off they have more time for treatments? Or that their jobs are less stressful? Or that teachers just make craploads of money so they do what they want?
I think that they work in more "supportive environments" although I do think they were alluding to something else with the "any ideas what else might be at play?" I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that finance and engineering are more male dominated fields. But fuck that for making career choice a factor in fertility.
TTC #1 since August 2013 DX: Endo November 2014: Hysteroscopy, D&C June - September 2015: Clomid + Novarel + IUI #1-3 January 2017: Laparoscopy - endo removed
I think that they work in more "supportive environments" although I do think they were alluding to something else with the "any ideas what else might be at play?" I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that finance and engineering are more male dominated fields. But fuck that for making career choice a factor in fertility.
I'm in a hardcore STEM field. I felt extremely supported by everyone around me, including my bosses (two men!) who were cool with me taking all the time and appointments that I needed.
The stereotypes being perpetuated in that graphic (which makes little sense) bothers me more than anything else.
A teacher can be unsupported. A chemist can be very supported. Let's just stop painting infertility into corners where the "bottom line" really isn't adding to the conversation.
I think that they work in more "supportive environments" although I do think they were alluding to something else with the "any ideas what else might be at play?" I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that finance and engineering are more male dominated fields. But fuck that for making career choice a factor in fertility.
I'm in a hardcore STEM field. I felt extremely supported by everyone around me, including my bosses (two men!) who were cool with me taking all the time and appointments that I needed.
The stereotypes being perpetuated in that graphic (which makes little sense) bothers me more than anything else. A teacher can be unsupported. A chemist can be very supported. Let's just stop painting infertility into corners where the "bottom line" really isn't adding to the conversation.
Ok this makes a lot of sense. And now I'm annoyed with you guys. Especially because a lot of people don't know they will face IF when they choose a career, and once they find out, are they suggesting to switch? To find a job that will make it "more successful"? Confusing.
ETA: I meant "annoyed with" like, you're annoyed, and I'm joining you in annoyance. I realize that phrasing sounded like I was annoyed at you guys! lol. I can't brain today.
Ok this makes a lot of sense. And now I'm annoyed with you guys. Especially because a lot of people don't know they will face IF when they choose a career, and once they find out, are they suggesting to switch? To find a job that will make it "more successful"? Confusing.
ETA: I meant "annoyed with" like, you're annoyed, and I'm joining you in annoyance. I realize that phrasing sounded like I was annoyed at you guys! lol. I can't brain today.
My old job was all "omg- take all the appointments you need to make the babies" lol.
My new job is all"we love the babies. Take the time you need to make the babies." Just work ahead was what I was told I know teachers who have no support at work none. From female bosses.
I feel like teaching would be one of the toughest jobs to get support from during IF treatment. You can't work from home, the hours are not flexible, etc.
I read it as success of the treatment. Not access to treatment. IMO not everything on IF has to be shared.
That is what it says. Hmm. I guess it does make it sound like "more stress, more problems." That post is becoming more odd now that I think about it.
I am offended by the "60% less likely to have success"... What is the science behind this? I'd assume most likely the numbers are skewed because of another issue we have with women leaving the work force after children, so of course the success rate would be lower. It just felt like a kick in the teeth given all of the efforts we have with getting girls interested young, and then keeping them in the work force after children, we really don't need shitty correlations scaring people. ESPECIALLY during this week, I just don't need to see a post with that %. Not supportive in the least.
Ok this makes a lot of sense. And now I'm annoyed with you guys. Especially because a lot of people don't know they will face IF when they choose a career, and once they find out, are they suggesting to switch? To find a job that will make it "more successful"? Confusing.
ETA: I meant "annoyed with" like, you're annoyed, and I'm joining you in annoyance. I realize that phrasing sounded like I was annoyed at you guys! lol. I can't brain today.
My old job was all "omg- take all the appointments you need to make the babies" lol.
My new job is all"we love the babies. Take the time you need to make the babies." Just work ahead was what I was told I know teachers who have no support at work none. From female bosses.
I hate the unsupportive bitches. I always have my team's back. If you don't have any compassion you should not manage.
In my case I chose not to discuss or share because I don't want key projects or teams kept away from me due to fear of my being out for maternity leave (which I will absolutely have to work through) or fear I won't return to work.
ETA my make boss is extremely supportive, FWIW, it's everyone else I am concerned with.
Post by ohinvrtedworld on Apr 28, 2016 9:43:57 GMT -5
Well I just read more of the page that created that infertility and career info graphic, and they have even more data to share about how depression and anxiety -- and their medications -- are related to lower treatment success rates. That's super encouraging and cool.
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