More milk talk

[jillywilly]

No advice on the Lactaid - DS has done well with milk so far. I think our niece drank it for a while though. She now drinks regular milk, and eats tons of cheese and ice cream - I think dairy intolerance is often something they eventually grow out of.

We're almost all the way transitioned, and now our schedule looks something like this most days:
- small breakfast shortly after waking (normally 7ish)
- bigger breakfast at day care/grandmas (around 8/9)
- sometimes there's a bottle before nap, sometimes there's a small snack, sometimes there's nothing, depends when he goes down.
- lunch between 11 and 12
- afternoon snack - sometimes one solid snack and bottle, sometimes two small solid snacks, sometimes one big snack, depends on his moods/how he's eating/naps
- dinner between 5 and 6
- his bedtime bottle will stay with us until he goes to school, I think. Though he has actually been drinking less of it

So... Not horribly consistent. I mostly try to play it by ear. I offer him his milk in a sippy basically at all snacks, and sometimes randomly through the day if it's been a bit since he drank. We're honestly still trying to work it out a bit, but this is where we've been the last week or two.

[Deleted]

I'm having the opposite problem where she is having more solids and getting constipated.

[Widget123]

No experience with Lactaid.

Daycare's schedule is meals at 8, 11:30, 2:30 (snack), and then we feed him dinner around 5. He has a cold sippy of milk with each meal/snack. We follow a similar schedule on the weekends. We also usually feed him right when we wake him up on weekdays because it is super early.

[sammyca]

Along the same lines as @scoop, F has been vomiting whenever he has milk, yogurt or cheese. Not huge vomits but it's a consistent pattern.
We have nothing called Lactaid here. Is there another name for it? Maybe what we call A2 milk? Wondering if I should try it with him.

[baytosa2013]

We haven't started yet. C goes to the dr next week I think so I planned on getting questions answered then. She had a sensitivity early on so we've talked briefly about whether to give her whole milk or just try goats or almond milk, both of which the dr was fine with. I guess I need to read up on what the benefit of whole milk is over a substitution.

[sammyca]

Jun 10, 2016 19:03:29 GMT -5 @scoop said:

Jun 10, 2016 18:53:36 GMT -5 sammyca said:

Along the same lines as @scoop , F has been vomiting whenever he has milk, yogurt or cheese. Not huge vomits but it's a consistent pattern.
We have nothing called Lactaid here. Is there another name for it? Maybe what we call A2 milk? Wondering if I should try it with him.

It's the brand name for lactose free milk. It looks like A2 is also for stomach discomfort associated with milk, but goes about it a different way. 

Thanks @scoop. I'll have to look out for lactose-free milk. I haven't seen it but will take a closer look in the specialty milk fridge at the supermarket.

[erbear]

I used Lactaid before switching to almond milk myself. Huge improvement on my stomach issues the moment I stopped drinking regular milk.

A lot of people who are lactose intolerant are okay with yogurt; I'm not. I need to take the Lactaid capsules with yogurt or cheese. How does N do with cheese?

[jillywilly]

Jun 10, 2016 18:41:21 GMT -5 @scoop said:

So with formula we would give her a bottle immediately upon waking. Should I just replace that with milk or try and have her eat an actual breakfast and then offer milk?

I think I am just seriously overthinking it but I'm feeling pretty clueless and needing some kind of direction.

My kid is a weirdo in that he doesn't like to eat right after he wakes for the day. He'll take bottles all night sometimes, but even if he STTN, doesn't want when waking, so we just give him regular breakfast, with a sippy of milk, after he has a chance to crawl around for a few first.

Also, like budders' V, DS won't take a bunch in one sitting, I keep the milk sippy in the fridge and just pull it out through the day. I tried formula in a sippy once, and he hated it, so I don't want him to get used to milk in a bottle in fear of him rejecting it from the sippy again later.

[blueskiessmiling]

Jun 10, 2016 18:53:49 GMT -5 baytosa2013 said:

We haven't started yet. C goes to the dr next week I think so I planned on getting questions answered then. She had a sensitivity early on so we've talked briefly about whether to give her whole milk or just try goats or almond milk, both of which the dr was fine with. I guess I need to read up on what the benefit of whole milk is over a substitution.

Right now, it's important for them to have enough healthy fats in their diet. Whole milk is a great source of fat. While almond milk isn't a bad alternative, coconut milk actually contains more healthy fat. Once I wean DD, if she can't tolerate dairy, we will be doing coconut milk.

[erbear]

@scoop Greek yogurt or goats milk yogurt I supposed to be gentler if she is intolerant. I've never wanted to test it out to see if it's true for me!

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Jun 10, 2016 18:41:21 GMT -5 @scoop said:

So with formula we would give her a bottle immediately upon waking. Should I just replace that with milk or try and have her eat an actual breakfast and then offer milk?

I think I am just seriously overthinking it but I'm feeling pretty clueless and needing some kind of direction.

I would give milk first thing to rehydrate after a long nights sleep. Then snack or breakfast soon after

[tiffbot]

DD completely switched over to whole milk a few weeks ago now. Currently the day looks something like:

7am wakeup and breakfast
9am full bottle
12pm lunch
1pm full bottle
3:30 snack
6pm supper
8pm bed

And for the past two nights she's refused her bottle after supper/before bed so I think I'm going to try to take that opportunity to switch her bottles to sippys. I'll start with that first and once that's in a good routine I'll probably try switching milk to meal times. She drinks water throughout the day out of a kids Contigo water bottle.

At nearly 3, DS drinks milk at lunch and supper and if he asks at any other meal time. He's been like that for quite awhile now, maybe since he was about 18monthish because thats when he cut out bottles (late I know, but whatever)

[blueskiessmiling]

Delving deeper into the A2 vs. Lactaid questions: I was talking to a mom friend that has LOs with dairy sensitivity. Lactaid is best for people who can't handle lactose-the sugar in cow's milk. A2 milk is best for people with cow's milk protein intolerance (this is what babies who need dairy free breast milk or formula have). A2 milk just recently started being sold as such in grocery chains in the US. My local Walmart actually carries it, if anyone from this thread is looking locally.

[santoki77]

Lactose will only help if your LO is sensitive to the dairy SUGAR. If it's the dairy PROTEIN then lactaid won't help bc lactaid still has the dairy protein but no dairy sugar. I would try lactaid and see if it helps. If not, I would suggest a dairy alternative like almond or hemp. Goats milk may still cause discomfort but it's all trial and error:( good luck

[veggiemo]

So this LO is still drinking formula hardcore, all the time. 20-30 ounces a day. Isn't showing any interest in milk, and even if he eats a decent amount of solids, it doesn't seem to cut down on the amount of formula he wants. I bought him a new sippy that we are going to try today (it's in the dishwasher) but I'm not holding out hope. I wanted to go with the approach of no milk in bottles, but I'm wondering if that's not going to be possible? I'm at a loss, DS1 never had this issue.

[beersandweirs]

In order to save my sanity and not have to pump forever, we are trying milk in bottles and she seems fine with it out of a bottle, but hit or miss out of a sippy... it's not what I wanted to do, but I guess we can tackle bottles after she is fully on WCM.

[beersandweirs]

Jun 14, 2016 10:14:03 GMT -5 @scoop said:

Jun 14, 2016 9:58:32 GMT -5 beersandweirs said:

In order to save my sanity and not have to pump forever, we are trying milk in bottles and she seems fine with it out of a bottle, but hit or miss out of a sippy... it's not what I wanted to do, but I guess we can tackle bottles after she is fully on WCM.

this is my plan right now. We've got her over to milk in bottles. I'm first focusing on getting her in a routine with milk and meals. Then we will work on sippys. She drinks water really well out of them so she is just being picky.

Same here, she chugs water out of them, so I know she knows how to use them.

[sabrinaml]

Jun 14, 2016 11:38:12 GMT -5 @scoop said:

I did try @jemomma's trick of holding her like I was giving her a bottle and she was pretty much saying "the fuq" with her face and then refused.

I tried the same thing with Cole, and got the exact same response. So far the only sippy he's shown any interest in drinking milk from is the take n' toss straw cup.

[veggiemo]

Jun 14, 2016 11:38:12 GMT -5 @scoop said:

I did try @jemomma 's trick of holding her like I was giving her a bottle and she was pretty much saying "the fuq" with her face and then refused.

Yes. Not sure if any of y'all remember my third thing thursday pic of epic meltdown when offered said sippy. It had handles on it, I don't think he likes the handles. Or the fact that it wasn't a bottle. With formula.

[belle0720]

Sounds like this has already been thoroughly discussed, buuuut I'll chime in because it's been on my mind a lot.

For the past week-ish we've been mixing a little bit of cow's milk in with breast milk (she takes sippy cups). I tried once giving it to her on its own and she wasn't a huge fan. I had been planning on doing goat's milk, but my mom didn't know and had picked up cow's milk so we just used that. But I was reading about goat's milk again last night and we decided that we still want to go that route. So I'm planning to go see if they have it at Trader Joe's today and we'll see how well G does with it.

[blueskiessmiling]

Jun 14, 2016 13:13:41 GMT -5 @scoop said:

Goats milk yogurt went over well but that shit was expensive.

You can try coconut milk yogurt too. It's kinda pricy but not terrible- maybe $1.19 at TJs?

[silv3rlining]

Jun 10, 2016 18:38:49 GMT -5 budders said:

V is tolerating whole milk, so no lactaid experience. He has been getting milk at daycare to replace the bottles there (a few ounces I think), and I'm inconsistent with offering at home, though it's only been a few days. I have replaced his morning and afternoon bottles with food, and I'm keeping his bedtime bottle until this formula container runs out, then will give milk before bed.

For those who transitioned, about how much milk are your LOs drinking per day now?

Our ped said no more than 24oz/day for milk. We're still nursing and I try to give her a cup with milk once a day so we can work up to weaning. Plus she won't drink thawed BM unless I mix it with whole milk.

[sabrinaml]

My ped also said no more than 24oz a day.

[beersandweirs]

Jun 15, 2016 13:25:10 GMT -5 budders said:

We're not even close to 24. Is there a minimum amount that they're supposed to be getting?

I did figure something out, though. We have a Nuk sippy cup that I've been using in the morning and at night because he can create a flow similar to that his bottles. He can pretty easily take down 6 ounces in a sitting. I've been making sure to get those two servings in, and then giving him cheese, yogurt and sips of milk here and there throughout the rest of the day.
Yesterday was our first day with no formula at all!

I don't know if there is a minimum, I think if he is eating enough and staying hydrated, then there is no minimum.

My ped said there is "no magic" to WCM, just that it's cheap and an easy way to get calories, fat and protein, so if he is getting all that, you should be good!

[dmoney]

Jun 15, 2016 14:22:58 GMT -5 @scoop said:

budders our ped said 16-24oz.

This is what our ped said as well!