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Kasich has previously expressed concerns about the constitutionality of such a bill - maybe he'll veto so as to save them the money of a court battle? Of course, I think they may have the votes to override a veto...
WTF, a lot of women won't even know they're pregnant by then. And even if you did find out before 6 weeks you have just DAYS to make a decision AND actually get the procedure done? The whole thing is so ludicrous it doesn't even matter but no exceptions for rape or incest? How heartless can these people be?
WTF, a lot of women won't even know they're pregnant by then. And even if you did find out before 6 weeks you have just DAYS to make a decision AND actually get the procedure done? The whole thing is so ludicrous it doesn't even matter but no exceptions for rape or incest? How heartless can these people be?
North Dakota passed a similar six-week abortion ban which was blocked by the US Circuit Court of Appeals because it violated the principles of Roe v. Wade. I have hope Kasich is being told to veto to save the court battle or even if it passes it will be blocked.
But this plus Texas's recent laws make me want to hurt someone
Wow! I bet they would think differently if it was their sister/wife/daughter etc that got raped and pregnant.
I think in the case of rape or insest, you can still after six weeks. And basically if a mother may die.
But that's not good enough. Women deserve the right to choose what they want to. It's their body. Maybe men should be forced into vasectomies if they are caught not paying child support. That's as ridiculous as not letting women have rights.
I'm also on team "fuck them." Prochoice work can be very hard and draining, those out there fighting stuff like this are rockstars. The constant assaults are ridiculous.
Wow! I bet they would think differently if it was their sister/wife/daughter etc that got raped and pregnant.
I think in the case of rape or insest, you can still after six weeks. And basically if a mother may die.
But that's not good enough. Women deserve the right to choose what they want to. It's their body. Maybe men should be forced into vasectomies if they are caught not paying child support. That's as ridiculous as not letting women have rights.
The bill has no exceptions for rape, incest, or the health of the mother.
I think in the case of rape or insest, you can still after six weeks. And basically if a mother may die.
But that's not good enough. Women deserve the right to choose what they want to. It's their body. Maybe men should be forced into vasectomies if they are caught not paying child support. That's as ridiculous as not letting women have rights.
The bill has no exceptions for rape, incest, or the health of the mother.
Huh I swear I read that in an article a few days ago, but of course I can't find it.
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butlerfan - I can't agree more with the last part of your statement. It's been shown time and again banning abortions does not stop them from happening. It just drives it underground and leads to risky and dangerous actions.
I've thought about this stupid bill all day. I'm furious. This is one thing I feared would be happening soon. What was Trumps solution to this? Didn't he say we should just go to another state that allows abortions?
Yup. Exactly what he said in his 60 Minutes interview. Because, you know, that's so easy, affordable and feasible for every woman.
I'm so sad and livid and a lot of other really strong emotions about this bill. I'm so sorry, Ohio. This country is failing you.
I don't know if I could ever get an abortion myself, but I've been in the trenches with a dear friend of mine. It's not an easy choice. She was wrecked and she has scars on her heart that I will probably never understand because of the gravity of her choice. It killed her to make that choice, but it was the best one for her. Not out of convenience, but out of quality of life for everyone involved.
Abortion is so extremely rarely used as birth control, so anyone not involved just needs to get the fuck out. I don't care how much you mean to me, if you harass or prevent someone I love from getting a medical procedure done because your holy man *might* have said something to that effect? We will not be friends coming out of that.
Post by thechickencoop on Dec 7, 2016 18:52:51 GMT -5
I saw this earlier and was sick. From what I gather (and I just browsed super quickly) but it seems that it passed because it's included with some other measures of child protection.
This is what I hate. Why this shit all gets lumped together. And then you read about people passing or vetoing some part of some bill and it's because of bullshit like this that's hidden with something else.
This bill pissed me off so much. As W said, unless you are trying to conceive, it's completely unlikely you'd even know you were pregnant before six weeks. And even if you did, Ohio also has a 24 hour forced wait after your initial appointment. So even if you find out immediately that you're pregnant, you then have a week to make a decision, go to an consultation, wait 24 hours and then go back for an abortion? Pardon my language, but that's fucking ridiculous and it would effectively prevent most women from accessing safe and legal abortions.
But I don't believe that most of these legislatures even care one bit if this will force women into unsafe abortions. I think their purpose is to punish women for getting one, so if it causes damage or death, many of them would see that as justice.
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Post by billyhorrible on Dec 8, 2016 13:18:19 GMT -5
One of the (many) big problems with this bill is the definition it creates. If anything with a heartbeat must be protected, then what becomes of those on life support? It would be viewed as murder to remove that life support. Which also has an effect on organ donation. So even if you are the most pro-life legislator out there, this bill essentially affects far more than abortion.
The idea of a heartbeat being the defining moment was considered back in the 70s and rejected for that reason.
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