Post by britterrss on Feb 17, 2015 17:26:46 GMT -5
NTNP since June, TTC since Sep. I made the other thread, sorry, I didn't see your suggestion until I already posted. Maybe others who have dealt with it will have some advice as well?
Random question - I don't have a diagnosis. But I haven't ovulated like everrr (since coming off BCP). Does that mean I have "undiagnosed infertility" or "we don't know yet, let's see"......? Is the point of taking Femara mean you have infertility? Asking for insurance purposes and whether or not I have to enroll in the infertility plan...
ETA: They sent me home with the infertility clinic packet. Don't know if that makes a difference. Makes me want to punch my ovaries, I do know that.
See, I don't understand why your doctor/healthcare team is putting you on fertility medication before they come to a diagnosis (or try to). Woefully out of my depth on this one, maybe I can use a lifeline.
Sorry just saw the tag! I can't see tags on tapatalk. I see britterrss made a new thread. But yes I would agree that you should get a formal diagnosis and complete all the necessary testing prior to starting fertility meds and the treatment cycle should only be done with an RE. My RE won't even let you start a treatment cycle of any kind until you have completed all bloodwork, ultrasounds, HSG or SHG, and SA. I wish you the best of luck and hope you get some answers.
******Loss Mentioned***** Me-Stage 3 Endo DH-MFI Nov and Dec 2014-Letrozole+trigger+IUI=BFN Jan 2015: IVF#1:ET cancelled due to severe OHSS FET #1: April 2015=BFP 4/10 & M/C 4/27 & D&C 5/15 Hysteroscopy and polypectomy 7/31 FET #2: Aug-Cxl FET #2.1 9/18-BFFN FET #3: 10/23-
Ummmm. So FF says I am 4 DPO?!? After this morning's temp I got crosshairs! Dotted... but they're there.
I mostly think this is just a fluke. I was awake for like ten minutes before I temped. My dog was asleep between my legs, like right on my crotch so I had to move him and then roll over to finallllly grab my BBT because I was way over in the middle of my bed. But the last two days temps were apparently elevated as well... I don't know!! I am new at this and looking at my chart it just looks so ugly! I am going to have to be very very careful about tomorrow's temp I guess...
O, and then there is the wildly unprotected sex that we had Saturday night
I am mobile so I am going to try to link my chart, no promises tho. I have never done this before.
Ummmm. So FF says I am 4 DPO?!? After this morning's temp I got crosshairs! Dotted... but they're there.
I mostly think this is just a fluke. I was awake for like ten minutes before I temped. My dog was asleep between my legs, like right on my crotch so I had to move him and then roll over to finallllly grab my BBT because I was way over in the middle of my bed. But the last two days temps were apparently elevated as well... I don't know!! I am new at this and looking at my chart it just looks so ugly! I am going to have to be very very careful about tomorrow's temp I guess...
O, and then there is the wildly unprotected sex that we had Saturday night :O
I am mobile so I am going to try to link my chart, no promises tho. I have never done this before.
Ummmm. So FF says I am 4 DPO?!? After this morning's temp I got crosshairs! Dotted... but they're there.
I mostly think this is just a fluke. I was awake for like ten minutes before I temped. My dog was asleep between my legs, like right on my crotch so I had to move him and then roll over to finallllly grab my BBT because I was way over in the middle of my bed. But the last two days temps were apparently elevated as well... I don't know!! I am new at this and looking at my chart it just looks so ugly! I am going to have to be very very careful about tomorrow's temp I guess...
O, and then there is the wildly unprotected sex that we had Saturday night
I am mobile so I am going to try to link my chart, no promises tho. I have never done this before.
Why so many open circles?
I am assuming it is a time thing... I looked back through and my times range from 3:45 to 5:20. Most of the times are between 4:20 and 5:00 though.
I am assuming it is a time thing... I looked back through and my times range from 3:45 to 5:20. Most of the times are between 4:20 and 5:00 though.
Gotcha. What time do you wake up at most often? For every half hour? hour? you sleep in, your temp creeps up by a bit.
That said, keep up with temping for the next couple of days; I think there's a chance you ovulated! Have you considered using a secondary sign to help FF confirm ovulation, like CM or OPKs?
I am assuming it is a time thing... I looked back through and my times range from 3:45 to 5:20. Most of the times are between 4:20 and 5:00 though.
Gotcha. What time do you wake up at most often? For every half hour? hour? you sleep in, your temp creeps up by a bit.
That said, keep up with temping for the next couple of days; I think there's a chance you ovulated! Have you considered using a secondary sign to help FF confirm ovulation, like CM or OPKs?
I have my alarm set for 5 am because there are 1-2 days per week when that is when I actually have to be up and out of bed. I have a tendency to wake up earlier than my alarm though so I am not sure if I should set it for earlier or..?
I was checking CM before and I really should get back into checking/charting it. I was thinking I would start doing OPKs when we officially start to TTC in or around September. Now I am not sure... especially if I am going to be having longer cycles. Thoughts?
Gotcha. What time do you wake up at most often? For every half hour? hour? you sleep in, your temp creeps up by a bit.
That said, keep up with temping for the next couple of days; I think there's a chance you ovulated! Have you considered using a secondary sign to help FF confirm ovulation, like CM or OPKs?
I have my alarm set for 5 am because there are 1-2 days per week when that is when I actually have to be up and out of bed. I have a tendency to wake up earlier than my alarm though so I am not sure if I should set it for earlier or..?
I was checking CM before and I really should get back into checking/charting it. I was thinking I would start doing OPKs when we officially start to TTC in or around September. Now I am not sure... especially if I am going to be having longer cycles. Thoughts?
If you only wake up 10-15 minutes before your alarm, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Temp when you wake up. If you're consistently waking up significantly earlier (30 mins+), then maybe set your alarm for a little earlier. Up to you.
CM is good to chart and it definitely wouldn't hurt to start OPKs whenever you're ready. You can learn a lot of things about your body with them, that aren't otherwise noticeable -- whether or not your surges actually get a "true" positive, whether you have short or long surges, if multiple positives are normal for you, etc.
Hopefully your cycle levels out between now and Sept (when did you go off again?), so you don't keep having long cycles when you're ready for TTC!
I have my alarm set for 5 am because there are 1-2 days per week when that is when I actually have to be up and out of bed. I have a tendency to wake up earlier than my alarm though so I am not sure if I should set it for earlier or..?
I was checking CM before and I really should get back into checking/charting it. I was thinking I would start doing OPKs when we officially start to TTC in or around September. Now I am not sure... especially if I am going to be having longer cycles. Thoughts?
If you only wake up 10-15 minutes before your alarm, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Temp when you wake up. If you're consistently waking up significantly earlier (30 mins+), then maybe set your alarm for a little earlier. Up to you.
CM is good to chart and it definitely wouldn't hurt to start OPKs whenever you're ready. You can learn a lot of things about your body with them, that aren't otherwise noticeable -- whether or not your surges actually get a "true" positive, whether you have short or long surges, if multiple positives are normal for you, etc.
Hopefully your cycle levels out between now and Sept (when did you go off again?), so you don't keep having long cycles when you're ready for TTC!
I think I will definitely consider starting OPKs sooner than I originally planned. Now I just hope I actually O'd and this cycle is almost over!!!
Thanks for all your help again I'm going to try not to be so needy in the future, lol.
If you only wake up 10-15 minutes before your alarm, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Temp when you wake up. If you're consistently waking up significantly earlier (30 mins+), then maybe set your alarm for a little earlier. Up to you.
CM is good to chart and it definitely wouldn't hurt to start OPKs whenever you're ready. You can learn a lot of things about your body with them, that aren't otherwise noticeable -- whether or not your surges actually get a "true" positive, whether you have short or long surges, if multiple positives are normal for you, etc.
Hopefully your cycle levels out between now and Sept (when did you go off again?), so you don't keep having long cycles when you're ready for TTC!
I think I will definitely consider starting OPKs sooner than I originally planned. Now I just hope I actually O'd and this cycle is almost over!!!
Thanks for all your help again :) I'm going to try not to be so needy in the future, lol.
being needy is how you get information to share with other needy people. ;)
Gotcha. What time do you wake up at most often? For every half hour? hour? you sleep in, your temp creeps up by a bit.
That said, keep up with temping for the next couple of days; I think there's a chance you ovulated! Have you considered using a secondary sign to help FF confirm ovulation, like CM or OPKs?
I have my alarm set for 5 am because there are 1-2 days per week when that is when I actually have to be up and out of bed. I have a tendency to wake up earlier than my alarm though so I am not sure if I should set it for earlier or..?
I was checking CM before and I really should get back into checking/charting it. I was thinking I would start doing OPKs when we officially start to TTC in or around September. Now I am not sure... especially if I am going to be having longer cycles. Thoughts?
I decided to try out OPKs for a few cycles now just to see how my body responds to them. I've used them for 3 cycles (cheapies from Target) and have learned that I only seem to get positives with FMU (although I did manage to get an afternoon positive on Monday - barely had anything to drink that day though) and all 3 cycles I've had 3 mornings of positives. The 3rd has always ended up lining up with O day, indicating I'm probably catching the last of my surge from the day before O.
If you're curious, there's no reason to not try them out now. I won't keep using them until we start, but now I know how they work for me when we do start TTC.
I also track CP and CM, so I like to see how those secondary signs line up with + OPKs and my temps.
Guise I'm so excited! I stopped spotting AND I just got a positive OPK!!!! Ok I know this isn't much to be excited about, but I'm so hopeful that I actually do O because I was worried my cycles may be all effed after the loss. FX!
It is a lot to be excited about!! I hope this means this crazy cycle is over for you!! Fx!
Guise I'm so excited! I stopped spotting AND I just got a positive OPK!!!! Ok I know this isn't much to be excited about, but I'm so hopeful that I actually do O because I was worried my cycles may be all effed after the loss. FX!
Ack!! Yay, Sis! Fingers cross you O, have normal cycles, and burn that bench in a couple weeks!!
Guise I'm so excited! I stopped spotting AND I just got a positive OPK!!!! Ok I know this isn't much to be excited about, but I'm so hopeful that I actually do O because I was worried my cycles may be all effed after the loss. FX!
Uh, wrong. It's DEFINITELY something to be excited about! Yay for no more spotting! FX for a confirmed O!
Guise I'm so excited! I stopped spotting AND I just got a positive OPK!!!! Ok I know this isn't much to be excited about, but I'm so hopeful that I actually do O because I was worried my cycles may be all effed after the loss. FX!
That is exciting!! FX this is your cycle getting back on track so you can burn that bench ASAP!
Guise I'm so excited! I stopped spotting AND I just got a positive OPK!!!! Ok I know this isn't much to be excited about, but I'm so hopeful that I actually do O because I was worried my cycles may be all effed after the loss. FX!
Post by wanderingheart on Feb 19, 2015 12:04:51 GMT -5
Update: So I had my vaginal ultrasound today to confirm PCOS. My blood work last week showed elevated levels of testosterone, but everything else was normal. The ultrasound today showed my lining at 7 mm and no cysts, which was good. She's going off the elevated testosterone levels to diagnose me with PCOS, even though everything else is normal. Ute, cervix, ovaries - all normal. My BMI is slightly overweight, but most of my weight gain was due to going on BCP and I'm still working to get that weight off. She had no explanation for the pain/pinching I've been having on my right side for 3 months, which was a little frustrating. I guess I'm just frustrated because I don't feel like anything really got answered - is there supposed to be more that they were supposed to find, besides just elevated testosterone levels for a diagnosis of PCOS? I'm trying to stay away from Dr. Google right now.
Next step she wants me to take is to get a referral for an RE to finish the testing and get started on some solutions to make me ovulate...Clomid. I'm on CD 54, but she didn't want to give me any Provera until the RE appointment. And as I type this, I just got an email from the RE with tons of paperwork to fill out. I'm feeling overwhelmed with everything right now.
TL;DR I had lots of things shoved up my girl today, and still don't feel any closer to any answers.
Post by britterrss on Feb 19, 2015 12:18:38 GMT -5
wanderingheart, dude I'm so sorry your going through this. Not having any answer SUCKS MAJORLY. I'd def see the RE first to do more extensive testing. I know that adrenal gland issues could also cause a high testosterone. I don't know why it would be a problem to go ahead and take Provera again... maybe so that you don't have to wait another 30-40 days (a cycle) before getting CD 3 bloodwork with the RE?
Update: So I had my vaginal ultrasound today to confirm PCOS. My blood work last week showed elevated levels of testosterone, but everything else was normal. The ultrasound today showed my lining at 7 mm and no cysts, which was good. She's going off the elevated testosterone levels to diagnose me with PCOS, even though everything else is normal. Ute, cervix, ovaries - all normal. My BMI is slightly overweight, but most of my weight gain was due to going on BCP and I'm still working to get that weight off. She had no explanation for the pain/pinching I've been having on my right side for 3 months, which was a little frustrating. I guess I'm just frustrated because I don't feel like anything really got answered - is there supposed to be more that they were supposed to find, besides just elevated testosterone levels for a diagnosis of PCOS? I'm trying to stay away from Dr. Google right now.
Next step she wants me to take is to get a referral for an RE to finish the testing and get started on some solutions to make me ovulate...Clomid. I'm on CD 54, but she didn't want to give me any Provera until the RE appointment. And as I type this, I just got an email from the RE with tons of paperwork to fill out. I'm feeling overwhelmed with everything right now.
TL;DR I had lots of things shoved up my girl today, and still don't feel any closer to any answers.
I don't think you can be diagnosed with PCOS with only your testosterone levels. Was it Total Testosterone or Free Testosterone? The "string of pearls" isn't always shown in PCOS patients, but did she say how many follicles you had on each ovary?
I think the referral to the RE is a good step for you and I hope you get some clarity on the possible PCOS! Talk to your RE about your concerns with Clomid (if you have them) and maybe ask if there are alternative treatments if you aren't comfortable with Clomid right now. That said, you are doing everything you need to be doing to take Clomid RESPONSIBLY, if you go to a RE, so all the horror stories and bad stuff is far less likely to happen to you. Good luck and let us know how everything goes! :D
EDIT: I don't know how into studies you are, but I came across [THIS] gem this morning and I find it's nice to have all the verbose, nitpicky details about PCOS diagnostics, treatment, and other stuff.
Post by wanderingheart on Feb 19, 2015 12:33:29 GMT -5
Rama, thanks for that study - I'm going to read through that tonight when I get done with work. My OB didn't say anything about how many follicles were on my ovaries. She just told me that there were no cysts on them and that everything looked normal. She kept saying "normal", but if everything was "normal", I feel like we would have some answers by now.
I guess this is where I'm getting frustrated - I like my OB, but I never got any paperwork about my blood work. So all she said when she called last week was that my testosterone was "elevated". I have no idea the difference even between Free and Total, or how elevated it was.
Thanks for your support ladies. Hopefully an RE will be able to pinpoint what's wrong.
Rama, thanks for that study - I'm going to read through that tonight when I get done with work. My OB didn't say anything about how many follicles were on my ovaries. She just told me that there were no cysts on them and that everything looked normal. She kept saying "normal", but if everything was "normal", I feel like we would have some answers by now.
I guess this is where I'm getting frustrated - I like my OB, but I never got any paperwork about my blood work. So all she said when she called last week was that my testosterone was "elevated". I have no idea the difference even between Free and Total, or how elevated it was.
Thanks for your support ladies. Hopefully an RE will be able to pinpoint what's wrong.
Your OB is exactly the kind of practitioner that you need to advocate for yourself against. If she isn't forthcoming with information, you need to demand it; you can't make confident, informed decisions without that information and she should be giving it to you SOMEHOW.
I'd fire her, myself, but only you can make the decision of what's best for you.
wanderingheart, I'm sorry you aren't getting any answers. I hope your RE appointment fills in some of the blanks.
Rama thank you for that study. I just looked over pieces of it. I feel like I have been digging for reliable research regarding PCOS and only come up with non-scientific articles.
wanderingheart, I'm sorry you aren't getting any answers. I hope your RE appointment fills in some of the blanks.
Rama thank you for that study. I just looked over pieces of it. I feel like I have been digging for reliable research regarding PCOS and only come up with non-scientific articles.
I'm finding the same thing and what I do read is so technical I don't understand it.
I think a big part of the problem is that PCOS presents itself differently in different women. Some are over weight some aren't. Some are IR and some aren't. It is a difficult issue to get a grasp on.
Andplusalso, the discarded temp is because I was already up and moving around (heard cats knock something over in the living room) - but even if I include it I get CH, just on CD23 instead.
I received my results from my bloodwork yesterday. I was freaking out about my glucose levels but they are normal. Everything is in the normal range except my testosterone level which was expected with the PCOS dx. So hopefully with diet/exercise and Metformin, I'm on the right road.
Andplusalso, the discarded temp is because I was already up and moving around (heard cats knock something over in the living room) - but even if I include it I get CH, just on CD23 instead.
Maybe? I'm leaning toward lying liar, though.
See if you're temps stay up until next week and then I'll start being excited. ;)
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