So someone is going to need to explain this health care bill stuff like I'm a 5 year old. Is there some kind of benefit (for DJT) to pulling the bill before the vote happens? Is it safe to be happy about this?
I think he just doesn't want the embarrassment of it not going through. I think without it, everything stays the same. I do think he already waived the tax penalties for not carrying insurance. I wonder if pulling it means he can put it back up for a vote sooner/ with less changes vs if it is voted on and fails.
So someone is going to need to explain this health care bill stuff like I'm a 5 year old. Is there some kind of benefit (for DJT) to pulling the bill before the vote happens? Is it safe to be happy about this?
The original bill was keeping much of ACA but it really messed with pushing things to the states, and the states really muck things up so I say this is good. They need a plan to reform the exchanges and get rates down- this wasn't it. I think the hospitals really had a big lobby against the cuts for Medicaid patients - basically the government pushing the bill back onto the insured folks instead of the government paying for it. The difference being that Medicaid rates are much lower so the hospitals just mitigate their losses but for the insured folks- it definitely keeps costs lower.
Post by sstwinklinglites on Mar 24, 2017 15:19:28 GMT -5
Sorry I posted and ran.
I'm so happy the bill was pulled. I've heard a lot that he just wants to move on to tax reform, so it's possible this won't come up again for sometime. This way, their argument is that the "mess" that is the ACA is all on the Dems and it leaves the GOP saving face somewhat. But the hardcore Trumpers that were counting on the ACA being repealed will be pissed no matter what. They would rather no law be in place than the GOP pass anything at all. But sooo many people, Rep & Dem alike, benefit so much from the great points of the ACA, that no bill will alienate the great majority of Americans. It's a huge dumpster fire.
So someone is going to need to explain this health care bill stuff like I'm a 5 year old. Is there some kind of benefit (for DJT) to pulling the bill before the vote happens? Is it safe to be happy about this?
The original bill was keeping much of ACA but it really messed with pushing things to the states, and the states really muck things up so I say this is good. They need a plan to reform the exchanges and get rates down- this wasn't it. I think the hospitals really had a big lobby against the cuts for Medicaid patients - basically the government pushing the bill back onto the insured folks instead of the government paying for it. The difference being that Medicaid rates are much lower so the hospitals just mitigate their losses but for the insured folks- it definitely keeps costs lower.
Agree with the need for getting rates down. So many young people are choosing to pay the lesser penalty than pay marketplace rates. They went up a lot this year and are supposed to continue to do so.
The original bill was keeping much of ACA but it really messed with pushing things to the states, and the states really muck things up so I say this is good. They need a plan to reform the exchanges and get rates down- this wasn't it. I think the hospitals really had a big lobby against the cuts for Medicaid patients - basically the government pushing the bill back onto the insured folks instead of the government paying for it. The difference being that Medicaid rates are much lower so the hospitals just mitigate their losses but for the insured folks- it definitely keeps costs lower.
Agree with the need for getting rates down. So many young people are choosing to pay the lesser penalty than pay marketplace rates. They went up a lot this year and are supposed to continue to do so.
I completely agree that the ACA needs tweaks. But filling the pockets of lobbyists, the already rich insurance companies, and leaving us in the dust is not the way to do it (not saying you think it is). We pay a butt load for insurance thru an employer plan, the employer really screwed us at last open enrollment and dropped down to paying just over 50% of the premium, and I still have a high deductible and co - insurance. It's still cheaper than the marketplace. So change is needed. I have zero faith that the GOP will do anything productive to bring about that change without a whole lot of people getting screwed in the process.
The original bill was keeping much of ACA but it really messed with pushing things to the states, and the states really muck things up so I say this is good. They need a plan to reform the exchanges and get rates down- this wasn't it. I think the hospitals really had a big lobby against the cuts for Medicaid patients - basically the government pushing the bill back onto the insured folks instead of the government paying for it. The difference being that Medicaid rates are much lower so the hospitals just mitigate their losses but for the insured folks- it definitely keeps costs lower.
Agree with the need for getting rates down. So many young people are choosing to pay the lesser penalty than pay marketplace rates. They went up a lot this year and are supposed to continue to do so.
Yes there are so many problems that were not anticipated. When you cover someone for the first or the first time in a long time, they go get a "free preventative" physical or mammogram/ pap and find out hay they are actually sick/ dying, etc... So you've got folks getting treated for the first time. I think they expected a bunch of young healthy people to fill the void but going healthy people pay the tax penalty (eventually the tax penalty was going to go up so much it would be higher than premiums- it was a phased approach). Plus you've got such a high deductible and people use the coverage but then can't pay the deductible so you've got the insurance company paying out huge amounts but the Ps aren't paying their portion. Plus it gave the states all this money to start their own programs and they were supposed to sustain themselves but all the states did (KY included) was just hand out free insurance with no way to pay for it. So once the government money stopped- the exchange is broke. What a mess.
Agree with the need for getting rates down. So many young people are choosing to pay the lesser penalty than pay marketplace rates. They went up a lot this year and are supposed to continue to do so.
I completely agree that the ACA needs tweaks. But filling the pockets of lobbyists, the already rich insurance companies, and leaving us in the dust is not the way to do it (not saying you think it is). We pay a butt load for insurance thru an employer plan, the employer really screwed us at last open enrollment and dropped down to paying just over 50% of the premium, and I still have a high deductible and co - insurance. It's still cheaper than the marketplace. So change is needed. I have zero faith that the GOP will do anything productive to bring about that change without a whole lot of people getting screwed in the process.
Yes you also have the problem of employers hiding behind the ACA- blaming the law on the high rates (spoiler alert- it's not the law causing higher employer rates) and then passing on more of the costs to the employees and increasing their own profits. Businesses that can afford to help out with healthcare just aren't any more- they don't have to if the industry standard becomes a wash and everyone has crap insurance. The real reform needs to be on regulating drug pricing, hospital/ doctor pricing- figure out what these things should actually cost and how to pool rates enough to pay for it. There is huge money in healthcare. We just need to shift it back into the pockets of the consumers but there's so many jobs/ hospitals/ lobbyists making money off of expensive healthcare there's no real incentive to change it.
Finally chilling out for the night. I overdid it today and am going to pay for it this weekend I bet. My legs and ankles are so swollen my back is aching. Ok done complaining.
I passed a certification exam today so I can now be y'alls resident scrum master
Finally chilling out for the night. I overdid it today and am going to pay for it this weekend I bet. My legs and ankles are so swollen my back is aching. Ok done complaining.
I passed a certification exam today so I can now be y'alls resident scrum master
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