Thank you to everybody!

[Unknown]

There is a BumpTara?

I'll bump it again before I go to bed.

[renbee]

Not trying to burst your bubble but... I don't think posting pee sticks is against TOU. The long list of do's and don'ts they posted were just "guidelines", apparently.

[pismoduo]

Jan 17, 2015 22:53:28 GMT -5 renbee said:

Not trying to burst your bubble but... I don't think posting pee sticks is against TOU. The long list of do's and don'ts they posted were just "guidelines", apparently.

I got a slight case of the side eyes here...

[icaughtfire]

Jan 17, 2015 23:00:57 GMT -5 pismoduo said:

Jan 17, 2015 22:53:28 GMT -5 renbee said:

Not trying to burst your bubble but... I don't think posting pee sticks is against TOU. The long list of do's and don'ts they posted were just "guidelines", apparently.

I got a slight case of the side eyes here...

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Take your side eyes & kick rocks.

There is nothing in the TOU about not posting pee sticks. As we were told many times, the do's & don'ts posted were "guidelines." XO isn't gonna ban those people because those are the people they want on that board. MOST of the girls that got banned didn't break TOU either, they just pissed off XO & were thought of as "bad apples." OP is fighting a battle she won't win -- that's the vibe XO wants, they won't ban those people.

I'm side eyeing you for your side eyes.

[renbee]

In no way am I trying to justify their ass-backward, fucked up behavior in mass banning people. I'm on your side. Just saying that I don't know if this is the best angle to go at them with.

[pismoduo]

Jan 17, 2015 23:54:53 GMT -5 icaughtfire said:

Jan 17, 2015 23:00:57 GMT -5 pismoduo said:

I got a slight case of the side eyes here...

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Take your side eyes & kick rocks.

There is nothing in the TOU about not posting pee sticks. As we were told many times, the do's & don'ts posted were "guidelines." XO isn't gonna ban those people because those are the people they want on that board. MOST of the girls that got banned didn't break TOU either, they just pissed off XO & were thought of as "bad apples." OP is fighting a battle she won't win -- that's the vibe XO wants, they won't ban those people.

I'm side eyeing you for your side eyes.

Well, judging by the couple of comments above yours, I wouldn't be kicking rocks alone...

In all honesty, they called them guidelines but clearly meant them as TOUs. Reading through that entire discussion thread, it became increasingly clear they were meant to be TOUs without actually having to be agreed to by the community. And as b pointed out, one of the TOUs is to follow the guidelines. The point is, they didn't follow their own guidelines, TOUs or stated procedures in how they handled those that were instantly IP banned. And by continually pointing out the violations of those guidelines that they are not enforcing, we're continuing to point out the unfair way that they're treating people.

[pismoduo]

Jan 17, 2015 23:56:50 GMT -5 renbee said:

In no way am I trying to justify their ass-backward, fucked up behavior in mass banning people. I'm on your side. Just saying that I don't know if this is the best angle to go at them with.

I honestly didn't mean to imply you were on their side (and I know, there was probably no other way to take that. It was an off the cuff remark).

I think at this point, no "angle" is going to get them to change, but the more we point out their unfairness and inconsistency, the more we might be able to drive casual lurkers away from TB.

[icaughtfire]

Jan 18, 2015 0:23:46 GMT -5 pismoduo said:

Jan 17, 2015 23:54:53 GMT -5 icaughtfire said:

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Take your side eyes & kick rocks.

There is nothing in the TOU about not posting pee sticks. As we were told many times, the do's & don'ts posted were "guidelines." XO isn't gonna ban those people because those are the people they want on that board. MOST of the girls that got banned didn't break TOU either, they just pissed off XO & were thought of as "bad apples." OP is fighting a battle she won't win -- that's the vibe XO wants, they won't ban those people.

I'm side eyeing you for your side eyes.

Well, judging by the couple of comments above yours, I wouldn't be kicking rocks alone...

In all honesty, they called them guidelines but clearly meant them as TOUs. Reading through that entire discussion thread, it became increasingly clear they were meant to be TOUs without actually having to be agreed to by the community. And as b pointed out, one of the TOUs is to follow the guidelines. The point is, they didn't follow their own guidelines, TOUs or stated procedures in how they handled those that were instantly IP banned. And by continually pointing out the violations of those guidelines that they are not enforcing, we're continuing to point out the unfair way that they're treating people.

I get where you're coming from & I'm not siding with XO at all. However, you can report pee sticks all day, errrrday & they won't give two shits. THAT'S THE VIBE THEY'RE GOING FOR. If they gave a shit about being "fair" we wouldn't be here. I'm not understanding the callout against renbee -- she's good people. All she did was point out the argument XO will throw back at you. Side eyes aren't necessary.

[pismoduo]

Jan 18, 2015 0:37:21 GMT -5 icaughtfire said:

Jan 18, 2015 0:23:46 GMT -5 pismoduo said:

Well, judging by the couple of comments above yours, I wouldn't be kicking rocks alone...

In all honesty, they called them guidelines but clearly meant them as TOUs. Reading through that entire discussion thread, it became increasingly clear they were meant to be TOUs without actually having to be agreed to by the community. And as b pointed out, one of the TOUs is to follow the guidelines. The point is, they didn't follow their own guidelines, TOUs or stated procedures in how they handled those that were instantly IP banned. And by continually pointing out the violations of those guidelines that they are not enforcing, we're continuing to point out the unfair way that they're treating people.

I get where you're coming from & I'm not siding with XO at all. However, you can report pee sticks all day, errrrday & they won't give two shits. THAT'S THE VIBE THEY'RE GOING FOR. If they gave a shit about being "fair" we wouldn't be here. I'm not understanding the callout against renbee -- she's good people. All she did was point out the argument XO will throw back at you. Side eyes aren't necessary.

Meh. I commented back to her that I wasn't trying to imply she wasn't good people. But what I don't understand is why I'm getting called out for my side eye when I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE who side eyed her.

I also said that I know we won't win and XO doesn't care. But some random lurker might see these types of posts and decide they don't want to be part of a community where management just up and decides they don't want to follow their own "guidelines".

[pismoduo]

Jan 18, 2015 0:39:25 GMT -5 jennykat said:

I agree with pismoduo - They aren't going to change their minds. And even if they did, who would honestly want to go back knowing they might just pull that shit again?

As icaughtfire said, this is a battle I will not "win". And I understand that. I'm not posting these expecting them to respond with "Oh, we were wrong. Our collective bad." I'm posting these because now that all of the people who were actually providing good information are gone. When I joined this community, I learned nothing from their articles. It was the community that taught me how to temp, what to look for, what to ask REs. There are still new people just beginning to TTC who are joining. They deserve to know that something is amiss on this site.

Yes, of course we would love a full apology. Will we get one? No. But if by posting this, even one person goes along to research things herself instead of staying at that broken mess, she may not end up on Clomid unmonitored because some other girl with no knowledge of the subject thinks a doctor is a doctor. Not using TB, she will have to do further research and will learn instead.

Exactly!

[icaughtfire]

Jan 18, 2015 1:02:39 GMT -5 pismoduo said:

Jan 18, 2015 0:37:21 GMT -5 icaughtfire said:

I get where you're coming from & I'm not siding with XO at all. However, you can report pee sticks all day, errrrday & they won't give two shits. THAT'S THE VIBE THEY'RE GOING FOR. If they gave a shit about being "fair" we wouldn't be here. I'm not understanding the callout against renbee -- she's good people. All she did was point out the argument XO will throw back at you. Side eyes aren't necessary.

Meh. I commented back to her that I wasn't trying to imply she wasn't good people. But what I don't understand is why I'm getting called out for my side eye when I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE who side eyed her.

I also said that I know we won't win and XO doesn't care. But some random lurker might see these types of posts and decide they don't want to be part of a community where management just up and decides they don't want to follow their own "guidelines".

I'M CALLING OUT ALL SIDE EYERS FOR UNNECESSARY USE OF SIDE EYES. There ya go...better?

[icaughtfire]

Jan 18, 2015 4:05:52 GMT -5 @littleliverpill said:

icaughtfire



also LOL that you're a n00b. Noob!!!1111

My life is meaningless until I move on from noob status. I don't know how to noob!!

[mrss44]

BumpCaitlin has commented back on your post.. with a bunch of bullshit.

[renbee]

Jan 18, 2015 13:55:45 GMT -5 W said:

I AM 20 POSTS FROM BEING A REG.

My life is almost complete!

Damn, I'm impressed. At this rate it's going to take me forever just to get out of noob status.

[butlerfan]

Jan 18, 2015 13:55:45 GMT -5 W said:

I AM 20 POSTS FROM BEING A REG.

My life is almost complete!

You made it!