My insurance website only had their main office listed. They have a local clinic, and it's even closer than the other one. I guess I'll call at lunch. I just don't want to have to do this at all.
You truly have all my sympathies. I struggle with this, to..
Thanks. They said no wait, so I'm putting it off for another cycle. I hope your hsg went/goes well. Creepy internet hugs to you.
You truly have all my sympathies. I struggle with this, to..
Thanks. They said no wait, so I'm putting it off for another cycle. I hope your hsg went/goes well. Creepy internet hugs to you.
I completely struggle with taking the initiative to make a call or do something.
In Jan I first called the RE and made an appointment, and then for reasons unknown (reluctance to move on) cancelled it and did another natural cycle IUI - BFN. So I called them back and made an appointment for this month (yesterday). After it I realized I should have stuck to that Jan appointment - I still could have done the natural Jan cycle, but I would have had a plan and done tests in advance with the RE so I was ready if/when it didnt work. Instead I have to sit out this month cuz there isn't time to do everything and stuff before I ovulate. Even after we determined they couldn't insem this cycle, she said I could still go back to a natural cycle just in case if I wanted to. (I didnt cuz sperms are expensive, but thats just my situation)
Just saying this - you could make an apt for a consult in time so all the ducks are in a row and you don't have to rush or miss out on anything. You can always cancel if you need.
And if for some reason none of this applies, sorry - I don't know your whole back story .
Thanks. They said no wait, so I'm putting it off for another cycle. I hope your hsg went/goes well. Creepy internet hugs to you.
I completely struggle with taking the initiative to make a call or do something.
In Jan I first called the RE and made an appointment, and then for reasons unknown (reluctance to move on) cancelled it and did another natural cycle IUI - BFN. So I called them back and made an appointment for this month (yesterday). After it I realized I should have stuck to that Jan appointment - I still could have done the natural Jan cycle, but I would have had a plan and done tests in advance with the RE so I was ready if/when it didnt work. Instead I have to sit out this month cuz there isn't time to do everything and stuff before I ovulate. Even after we determined they couldn't insem this cycle, she said I could still go back to a natural cycle just in case if I wanted to. (I didnt cuz sperms are expensive, but thats just my situation)
Just saying this - you could make an apt for a consult in time so all the ducks are in a row and you don't have to rush or miss out on anything. You can always cancel if you need.
And if for some reason none of this applies, sorry - I don't know your whole back story .
Wait, I may have missed something but are you doing IUIs and have not had any testing done??
I completely struggle with taking the initiative to make a call or do something.
In Jan I first called the RE and made an appointment, and then for reasons unknown (reluctance to move on) cancelled it and did another natural cycle IUI - BFN. So I called them back and made an appointment for this month (yesterday). After it I realized I should have stuck to that Jan appointment - I still could have done the natural Jan cycle, but I would have had a plan and done tests in advance with the RE so I was ready if/when it didnt work. Instead I have to sit out this month cuz there isn't time to do everything and stuff before I ovulate. Even after we determined they couldn't insem this cycle, she said I could still go back to a natural cycle just in case if I wanted to. (I didnt cuz sperms are expensive, but thats just my situation)
Just saying this - you could make an apt for a consult in time so all the ducks are in a row and you don't have to rush or miss out on anything. You can always cancel if you need.
And if for some reason none of this applies, sorry - I don't know your whole back story .
Wait, I may have missed something but are you doing IUIs and have not had any testing done??
I'm married to another woman. So no sperm. We started with midwives and now are moving up to getting some help. It worked with #1 (I didn't carry) - doesn't seem to be working this time!
Wait, I may have missed something but are you doing IUIs and have not had any testing done??
I'm married to another woman. So no sperm. We started with midwives and now are moving up to getting some help. It worked with #1 (I didn't carry) - doesn't seem to be working this time!
I saw your siggy but was confused...lol. I would just think that before they did IUI which can be spendy, they would do even just a HSG to make sure tubes and such were open. If tubes aren't open, that's a lot of money out of pocket for something that would not work at all. This is out of my knowledge area though so it was just a thought.
I'm married to another woman. So no sperm. We started with midwives and now are moving up to getting some help. It worked with #1 (I didn't carry) - doesn't seem to be working this time!
I saw your siggy but was confused...lol. I would just think that before they did IUI which can be spendy, they would do even just a HSG to make sure tubes and such were open. If tubes aren't open, that's a lot of money out of pocket for something that would not work at all. This is out of my knowledge area though so it was just a thought.
They may have done that next, but I was all done doing self-monitoring/ovulation predicting. They were also open pushing to giving me some clomid (without any more testing/or u/s) so it was just time to move on and not get pulled into that. Which, related to this thread, was hard cuz they did get my wife KU and provide all the prenatal care and deliver DD- so we know them really well. I actually haven't called to tell them I am moving on, cuz doing those things is annoying/hard/sad.
Thanks. They said no wait, so I'm putting it off for another cycle. I hope your hsg went/goes well. Creepy internet hugs to you.
I completely struggle with taking the initiative to make a call or do something.
In Jan I first called the RE and made an appointment, and then for reasons unknown (reluctance to move on) cancelled it and did another natural cycle IUI - BFN. So I called them back and made an appointment for this month (yesterday). After it I realized I should have stuck to that Jan appointment - I still could have done the natural Jan cycle, but I would have had a plan and done tests in advance with the RE so I was ready if/when it didnt work. Instead I have to sit out this month cuz there isn't time to do everything and stuff before I ovulate. Even after we determined they couldn't insem this cycle, she said I could still go back to a natural cycle just in case if I wanted to. (I didnt cuz sperms are expensive, but thats just my situation)
Just saying this - you could make an apt for a consult in time so all the ducks are in a row and you don't have to rush or miss out on anything. You can always cancel if you need.
And if for some reason none of this applies, sorry - I don't know your whole back story .
Thanks. I think I'll wait one more month. I'm a little unsure though, the clinic website mentions all the various ART options (with a fucking newborn baby picture on the IVF page, so thanks for that.) but the website doesn't mention diagnostics at all. If we get to that point, insurance only covers treating a fertility problem, not ART, so we have no plans to try ART anytime soon, but if there's a diagnosis with something we can fix, we want to do that.
I saw your siggy but was confused...lol. I would just think that before they did IUI which can be spendy, they would do even just a HSG to make sure tubes and such were open. If tubes aren't open, that's a lot of money out of pocket for something that would not work at all. This is out of my knowledge area though so it was just a thought.
They may have done that next, but I was all done doing self-monitoring/ovulation predicting. They were also open pushing to giving me some clomid (without any more testing/or u/s) so it was just time to move on and not get pulled into that. Which, related to this thread, was hard cuz they did get my wife KU and provide all the prenatal care and deliver DD- so we know them really well. I actually haven't called to tell them I am moving on, cuz doing those things is annoying/hard/sad.
They can still do the care and delivery, just maybe not the knocked up part. Small victories are still victories
Thanks. I think I'll wait one more month. I'm a little unsure though, the clinic website mentions all the various ART options (with a fucking newborn baby picture on the IVF page, so thanks for that.) but the website doesn't mention diagnostics at all. If we get to that point, insurance only covers treating a fertility problem, not ART, so we have no plans to try ART anytime soon, but if there's a diagnosis with something we can fix, we want to do that.
I'm not entirely sure that anyone gets how painful this can be until you go through it.
My own RE said "We should do some of the early pregnancy testing that Pennsylvania requires now. You'll be pregnant soon so we can just get that stuff out of the way now."
I was totally stunned that he'd say such a phrase. He doesn't know at all that I'll "be pregnant soon."
Thanks. I think I'll wait one more month. I'm a little unsure though, the clinic website mentions all the various ART options (with a fucking newborn baby picture on the IVF page, so thanks for that.) but the website doesn't mention diagnostics at all. If we get to that point, insurance only covers treating a fertility problem, not ART, so we have no plans to try ART anytime soon, but if there's a diagnosis with something we can fix, we want to do that.
I'm not entirely sure that anyone gets how painful this can be until you go through it.
My own RE said "We should do some of the early pregnancy testing that Pennsylvania requires now. You'll be pregnant soon so we can just get that stuff out of the way now."
I was totally stunned that he'd say such a phrase. He doesn't know at all that I'll "be pregnant soon."
My RE said something similar and I had the same bolded thought. Like, of all people, you should know that not everyone gets KTFU right away (or ever). I am all about giving some hope, but lets be real too. Sorry Joy and Duck-that is super hard.
Question about open circles on FF - I have one temp that was way out of kilter from a day when 1) I did not have the full 3 hours of sleep and 2) I tested almost two hours later than usual. Just to see what impact it had (I know, already listening to the Bad Idea Bears), I discarded it, and then I got dashed CH for 4 days ago (which is the day FF predicted me to O based off of last month). However, I know discarding temps is a no-no, and also I had positive OPKs for several days after the day FF says I O'ed, so there are conflicting signs and I am confused. Should I un-discard and just let FF do it's thing in assigning that day weight? Or are the factors for that temp off enough that it's okay to scrap it?
Question about open circles on FF - I have one temp that was way out of kilter from a day when 1) I did not have the full 3 hours of sleep and 2) I tested almost two hours later than usual. Just to see what impact it had (I know, already listening to the Bad Idea Bears), I discarded it, and then I got dashed CH for 4 days ago (which is the day FF predicted me to O based off of last month). However, I know discarding temps is a no-no, and also I had positive OPKs for several days after the day FF says I O'ed, so there are conflicting signs and I am confused. Should I un-discard and just let FF do it's thing in assigning that day weight? Or are the factors for that temp off enough that it's okay to scrap it?
If I didn't get enough sleep or couldn't temp in the right window of time (for me, 4am to 8am), then I don't even bother temping.
Why is today an open circle?
Truthfully, keep temping. Your temp might still rise higher than it is now. I'm not exactly convinced you've ovulated yet.
EDIT: But I would be more convinced with more temps over the next few days.
Question about open circles on FF - I have one temp that was way out of kilter from a day when 1) I did not have the full 3 hours of sleep and 2) I tested almost two hours later than usual. Just to see what impact it had (I know, already listening to the Bad Idea Bears), I discarded it, and then I got dashed CH for 4 days ago (which is the day FF predicted me to O based off of last month). However, I know discarding temps is a no-no, and also I had positive OPKs for several days after the day FF says I O'ed, so there are conflicting signs and I am confused. Should I un-discard and just let FF do it's thing in assigning that day weight? Or are the factors for that temp off enough that it's okay to scrap it?
I would un-discard it and make a note. You may well have ovulated, but as you said, your opks aren't matching up. I would keep having sex and give it a few more days. The pattern should become more clear. If FF never gives you crosshairs, you can always adjust it later.
Question about open circles on FF - I have one temp that was way out of kilter from a day when 1) I did not have the full 3 hours of sleep and 2) I tested almost two hours later than usual. Just to see what impact it had (I know, already listening to the Bad Idea Bears), I discarded it, and then I got dashed CH for 4 days ago (which is the day FF predicted me to O based off of last month). However, I know discarding temps is a no-no, and also I had positive OPKs for several days after the day FF says I O'ed, so there are conflicting signs and I am confused. Should I un-discard and just let FF do it's thing in assigning that day weight? Or are the factors for that temp off enough that it's okay to scrap it?
I personally would discard that temp in that scenario. I typically never discard temps, but since that one was after not enough sleep and such a different time, I would most likely discard in this situation.
Question about open circles on FF - I have one temp that was way out of kilter from a day when 1) I did not have the full 3 hours of sleep and 2) I tested almost two hours later than usual. Just to see what impact it had (I know, already listening to the Bad Idea Bears), I discarded it, and then I got dashed CH for 4 days ago (which is the day FF predicted me to O based off of last month). However, I know discarding temps is a no-no, and also I had positive OPKs for several days after the day FF says I O'ed, so there are conflicting signs and I am confused. Should I un-discard and just let FF do it's thing in assigning that day weight? Or are the factors for that temp off enough that it's okay to scrap it?
If I didn't get enough sleep or couldn't temp in the right window of time (for me, 4am to 8am), then I don't even bother temping.
Why is today an open circle?
Truthfully, keep temping. Your temp might still rise higher than it is now. I'm not exactly convinced you've ovulated yet.
EDIT: But I would be more convinced with more temps over the next few days.
Thanks! Today is open bc I had to get up 30 minutes early to get the dog to the vet. I've now had three days of bad/missing temps this week, which aggravates me, but wasn't much I could do. And I'll def continue to temp - I'll probably leave that one temp discarded and wait to see if FF changes my CH based on the next several days.
Does 30 minutes make a huge difference to you? Have you tried that little game?
I mean, I give myself a four hour window and tell FertilityFriend to go fuck itself to ignore what time I say I temp. I know that time of day isn't crucial to my pattern; length of sleep is.
But everyone is different!! You figure it out with trial and error over time. You'll at least learn something with this cycle to make temping easier, which is nice!
Does 30 minutes make a huge difference to you? Have you tried that little game?
I mean, I give myself a four hour window and tell FertilityFriend to go fuck itself to ignore what time I say I temp. I know that time of day isn't crucial to my pattern; length of sleep is.
But everyone is different!! You figure it out with trial and error over time. You'll at least learn something with this cycle to make temping easier, which is nice!
Unfortunately this is only my second cycle post-BCP, so I only have one other cycle of temping - not much history to go off of yet to know what does and doesn't make a difference. But you're right, this is at least a cycle where I can learn a few things!
Related question - to try to get an idea of how much time matters without waiting for several cycles of data, is it worthwhile to maybe take a few temps for a few days (preferably during a less critical time frame for accuracy, like my period)? I am pretty good at falling back to sleep (usually while I'm taking my temp!) so I may be able to do, say, three temps with one 30 minutes early and one 30 minutes late to see if it makes a big difference. Or is this just crazy talk?
Truthfully, I decided to try a certain way each cycle. So, my first cycle I tried temping at exactly the same time every morning. All that did was stress me out. My chart was okay, though.
The second cycle I decided to say "Whenever I wake up to pee where I won't get three more hours of sleep is when I'll temp." Less stress and my chart was accurate so I stuck with it.
I guess I'm saying pick some parameters for that cycle, stick with it all cycle, and see if your crosshairs are accurate (I'm not fazed by dotted crosshairs) by looking at your temp shift/luteal phase length. Repeat next month. If you get something similar in the luteal phase length, then you're probably temping the best way you can!
Others might have other strategies however. This whole temping thing is art.
Does 30 minutes make a huge difference to you? Have you tried that little game?
I mean, I give myself a four hour window and tell FertilityFriend to go fuck itself to ignore what time I say I temp. I know that time of day isn't crucial to my pattern; length of sleep is.
But everyone is different!! You figure it out with trial and error over time. You'll at least learn something with this cycle to make temping easier, which is nice!
butting in.
So can you set FF to accept temps in a certain time window or is it automatic?
Mine gives me an open circle if I'm less than an hour off the norm, but I dont think it really affects my temps.
Also I haven't paid for FF, still going freebie, if that matters.
Does 30 minutes make a huge difference to you? Have you tried that little game?
I mean, I give myself a four hour window and tell FertilityFriend to go fuck itself to ignore what time I say I temp. I know that time of day isn't crucial to my pattern; length of sleep is.
But everyone is different!! You figure it out with trial and error over time. You'll at least learn something with this cycle to make temping easier, which is nice!
butting in.
So can you set FF to accept temps in a certain time window or is it automatic?
Mine gives me an open circle if I'm less than an hour off the norm, but I dont think it really affects my temps.
Also I haven't paid for FF, still going freebie, if that matters.
I'm freebie. I just have my default time set to N/A.
I'm not entirely sure that anyone gets how painful this can be until you go through it.
My own RE said "We should do some of the early pregnancy testing that Pennsylvania requires now. You'll be pregnant soon so we can just get that stuff out of the way now."
I was totally stunned that he'd say such a phrase. He doesn't know at all that I'll "be pregnant soon."
My RE said something similar and I had the same bolded thought. Like, of all people, you should know that not everyone gets KTFU right away (or ever). I am all about giving some hope, but lets be real too. Sorry Joy and Duck-that is super hard.
joy and cateyes my PCP said at my last appointment that I'd probably be pregnant in three months.
My RE said something similar and I had the same bolded thought. Like, of all people, you should know that not everyone gets KTFU right away (or ever). I am all about giving some hope, but lets be real too. Sorry Joy and Duck-that is super hard.
joy and cateyes my PCP said at my last appointment that I'd probably be pregnant in three months.
I feel like a better phrase would be "statistically speaking you will probably be pregnant in 3 months" but some people take a longer and some don't. My favorite phrase is "statistically speaking"
joy and cateyes my PCP said at my last appointment that I'd probably be pregnant in three months.
I feel like a better phrase would be "statistically speaking you will probably be pregnant in 3 months" but some people take a longer and some don't. My favorite phrase is "statistically speaking"
I knew the "up to a year is normal" stat but didn't realize it happened for a sizeable number of people in the first three months. Interesting.
joy and cateyes my PCP said at my last appointment that I'd probably be pregnant in three months.
I feel like a better phrase would be "statistically speaking you will probably be pregnant in 3 months" but some people take a longer and some don't. My favorite phrase is "statistically speaking"
Honestly, I don't like this phrase either. Some women can't have children. Saying "you'll probably be pregnant in three months" is incredibly unfair to a woman who can't have children and doesn't know it yet. That possibility needs to not continually be overlooked.
I feel like they should say "Assuming both you and your husband have no impediments, you could be pregnant in the next three months."
I realize I might be splitting hairs and maybe I'm just sensitive given my day yesterday, but I hate any notion of a doctor telling me when I might get pregnant. He doesn't know when or even if that's possible right now.
I feel like a better phrase would be "statistically speaking you will probably be pregnant in 3 months" but some people take a longer and some don't. My favorite phrase is "statistically speaking"
Honestly, I don't like this phrase either. Some women can't have children. Saying "you'll probably be pregnant in three months" is incredibly unfair to a woman who can't have children and doesn't know it yet. That possibility needs to not continually be overlooked.
I feel like they should say "Assuming both you and your husband have no impediments, you could be pregnant in the next three months."
I realize I might be splitting hairs and maybe I'm just sensitive given my day yesterday, but I hate any notion of a doctor telling me when I might get pregnant. He doesn't know when or even if that's possible right now.
You're not being sensitive. Doctors don't have magical ute goggles and they should stop pretending they do.
So can you set FF to accept temps in a certain time window or is it automatic?
Mine gives me an open circle if I'm less than an hour off the norm, but I dont think it really affects my temps.
Also I haven't paid for FF, still going freebie, if that matters.
I'm freebie. I just have my default time set to N/A.
I just leave my default time if I'm within 30 minutes either way. This morning a cat woke me up twenty minutes before the alarm. That's not going to reflect a significant difference. I just typed significant airfare because I'm discussing travel while I type. Clearly it's time to stop and get lunch.
Does 30 minutes make a huge difference to you? Have you tried that little game?
I mean, I give myself a four hour window and tell FertilityFriend to go fuck itself to ignore what time I say I temp. I know that time of day isn't crucial to my pattern; length of sleep is.
But everyone is different!! You figure it out with trial and error over time. You'll at least learn something with this cycle to make temping easier, which is nice!
Unfortunately this is only my second cycle post-BCP, so I only have one other cycle of temping - not much history to go off of yet to know what does and doesn't make a difference. But you're right, this is at least a cycle where I can learn a few things!
Related question - to try to get an idea of how much time matters without waiting for several cycles of data, is it worthwhile to maybe take a few temps for a few days (preferably during a less critical time frame for accuracy, like my period)? I am pretty good at falling back to sleep (usually while I'm taking my temp!) so I may be able to do, say, three temps with one 30 minutes early and one 30 minutes late to see if it makes a big difference. Or is this just crazy talk?
Following up on what joy said, the more parameters you change in a given cycle, the less reliable your data is for future review. Hopefully you will get knocked up soon and not require several cycles worth of data for analysis. But if that's not the case, you are saving yourself a lot of frustration by sticking to one path right now, so you can gain a better picture. Think of it as a science experiment. You need a control and a variable. Too many variables in an experiment dilute the results because you can't be sure what contributed to them.
Honestly, I don't like this phrase either. Some women can't have children. Saying "you'll probably be pregnant in three months" is incredibly unfair to a woman who can't have children and doesn't know it yet. That possibility needs to not continually be overlooked.
I feel like they should say "Assuming both you and your husband have no impediments, you could be pregnant in the next three months."
I realize I might be splitting hairs and maybe I'm just sensitive given my day yesterday, but I hate any notion of a doctor telling me when I might get pregnant. He doesn't know when or even if that's possible right now.
You're not being sensitive. Doctors don't have magical ute goggles and they should stop pretending they do.
Agree completely. OBs seem to think they have Ute goggles and they don't!
I feel like a better phrase would be "statistically speaking you will probably be pregnant in 3 months" but some people take a longer and some don't. My favorite phrase is "statistically speaking"
Honestly, I don't like this phrase either. Some women can't have children. Saying "you'll probably be pregnant in three months" is incredibly unfair to a woman who can't have children and doesn't know it yet. That possibility needs to not continually be overlooked.
I feel like they should say "Assuming both you and your husband have no impediments, you could be pregnant in the next three months."
I realize I might be splitting hairs and maybe I'm just sensitive given my day yesterday, but I hate any notion of a doctor telling me when I might get pregnant. He doesn't know when or even if that's possible right now.
Mine told me when I had my follicle check this month that I could have already conceived based on the size of my follicles. So when my temp dropped yesterday it was a blow to the gut. Why do doctors have to say shit without thinking? It doesn't make me feel better to get false hope.
Honestly, I don't like this phrase either. Some women can't have children. Saying "you'll probably be pregnant in three months" is incredibly unfair to a woman who can't have children and doesn't know it yet. That possibility needs to not continually be overlooked.
I feel like they should say "Assuming both you and your husband have no impediments, you could be pregnant in the next three months."
I realize I might be splitting hairs and maybe I'm just sensitive given my day yesterday, but I hate any notion of a doctor telling me when I might get pregnant. He doesn't know when or even if that's possible right now.
Mine told me when I had my follicle check this month that I could have already conceived based on the size of my follicles. So when my temp dropped yesterday it was a blow to the gut. Why do doctors have to say shit without thinking? It doesn't make me feel better to get false hope.
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