Post by bunnyfungo on Mar 19, 2015 13:27:30 GMT -5
Let's hash this out in one place. Tagging joy so both mods are here.
There has been a lot of talk about what is/is not acceptable about what and where people post. I think it's time we lay it all out on the table and get on the same page.
I'll start. I think we need to stop the post-policing. This board is far less active than TTGP. Hopefully as TCF grows as a website with content we will have more new posters, but until that time comes I think we need to calm our tits about posting on the main board.
The idea here is to facilitate a discussion on what we want and expect our board culture to be. Hopefully this will help clear up any confusion and lower the amount of "this doesn't go here!!eleventy!" posts.
I agree to a certain extent. But, in the example ghostmonkey made in the UO thread, if there are 3 posts about CM on the main page and a "post a new thread for every question" mentality is taken, people might think it's cool to ask that same CM question again without looking for the answer first.
I'm all for more discussion because (as you said) it's boring as fuck here but opening the flood gates doesn't seem like the best idea either.
Post by mustloveerica on Mar 19, 2015 13:33:18 GMT -5
Here's what I don't want to see on the main board....
-pee sticks -drive by BFPs or newb BFPs (ie if I have to ask "who the fuck are you?" You probably shouldn't post a main board BFP) -babycenter type posts such as "Omg this TWW is killing me. Who else is in the TWW?" -PW. Don't start a new thread every day just because it's allowed. Nobody likes a PW.
Things I would like to see... -GTKYs and polls...I think they're fun -More conversations centered around individual topics. The random thread and drinking threads get too long for me to keep up. Don't bury stuff in there. Read and interesting Article and want to discuss? Post a new thread! Got a new puppy and want to AW? Post a new thread! Want to share dinner recipes? Post a new thread! But random one sentence musings can stay in the random thread.
I agree to a certain extent. But, in the example ghostmonkey made in the UO thread, if there are 3 posts about CM on the main page and a "post a new thread for every question" mentality is taken people might think it's cool to ask that same CM question again without looking for the answer first.
I'm all for more discussion because (as you said) it's boring as fuck here but opening the flood gates doesn't seem like the best idea either.
I suppose there's no middle ground though.
Maybe the middle ground is flaming where flaming is due? Does that sound too assholeish? Saying, "Hey, we're not your google and there are already 3 threads about this today." =/= "Can I get a chart stalk?"
I like the randoms thread, don't get me wrong. However, I feel as though sometimes things that could have been fun discussions get buried in there. I think if something could cause lengthier discussions, and it's not repetitive of another thread or two, put it on the main board.
I agree to a certain extent. But, in the example ghostmonkey made in the UO thread, if there are 3 posts about CM on the main page and a "post a new thread for every question" mentality is taken people might think it's cool to ask that same CM question again without looking for the answer first.
I'm all for more discussion because (as you said) it's boring as fuck here but opening the flood gates doesn't seem like the best idea either.
I suppose there's no middle ground though.
Maybe the middle ground is flaming where flaming is due? Does that sound too assholeish? Saying, "Hey, we're not your google and there are already 3 threads about this today." =/= "Can I get a chart stalk?"
Post by bunnyfungo on Mar 19, 2015 13:36:24 GMT -5
My 2¢: I like the randoms because it encourages the chit-chat to stay on the board instead of in a chat room. I think we need that to stay here in order to keep the board alive.
Post by SheilaTheTank on Mar 19, 2015 13:36:49 GMT -5
I'll post what I said in the UO thread so it's on here.
1. I don't think it should matter what people can post and where. This is an online forum where many conversations are going on at once all while people are trying to go on with their everyday lives. To expect people to adhere to specific rules about what they can post and where they can post it is unreasonable and defeats the purpose of an online forum.
2. Honestly if it's a legitimate TTC question, I don't think it should matter where they post it. We are a TTC board. We should expect those questions.
Bottom line: If you don't like what is posted then ignore it or flame it, but in the end people should be able to post whatever they want.
I agree to a certain extent. But, in the example ghostmonkey made in the UO thread, if there are 3 posts about CM on the main page and a "post a new thread for every question" mentality is taken people might think it's cool to ask that same CM question again without looking for the answer first.
I'm all for more discussion because (as you said) it's boring as fuck here but opening the flood gates doesn't seem like the best idea either.
I suppose there's no middle ground though.
Agreed.
It might be too much to ask, but I think people should just exercise some common sense. A random chart stalk question? Awesome. Not everyone goes into the TWW. Starting a post to say "OMG TWW I can't stop thinking about it!!! What do I do to pass the time?? Maybe we should start a TWW support group!" (does anyone remember that chick?) that should probably just go in the TWW thread.
My 2¢: I like the randoms because it encourages the chit-chat to stay on the board instead of in a chat room. I think we need that to stay here in order to keep the board alive.
Oh I fully agree with keeping the randoms thread. I go there when I have time. But I feel like I miss some good stuff. Stuff that can turn into a good conversation go ahead and pull it out of randoms and start a new discussion centered around just that so it doesn't get lost.
My 2¢: I like the randoms because it encourages the chit-chat to stay on the board instead of in a chat room. I think we need that to stay here in order to keep the board alive.
Agree. I enjoy the random threads and don't care that they get to 10+ pages a day. That's really not that many pages.
Here's what I don't want to see on the main board....
-pee sticks -drive by BFPs or newb BFPs (ie if I have to ask "who the fuck are you?" You probably shouldn't post a main board BFP) -babycenter type posts such as "Omg this TWW is killing me. Who else is in the TWW?" -PW. Don't start a new thread every day just because it's allowed. Nobody likes a PW.
Things I would like to see... -GTKYs and polls...I think they're fun -More conversations centered around individual topics. The random thread and drinking threads get too long for me to keep up. Don't bury stuff in there. Read and interesting Article and want to discuss? Post a new thread! Got a new puppy and want to AW? Post a new thread! Want to share dinner recipes? Post a new thread! But random one sentence musings can stay in the random thread.
I'm still trying to decide where I stand on this. Particularly the newb BFPs. I feel like moving to TCF helped many lurkers come out of lurkdom. I don't necessarily mind if someone who has only participated for a short while posts a BFP on the main board. I say this now, but when the site gets bigger and more popular, I may change my mind. Drive-bys? Hate 'em still. But if I click into it and maybe I don't recognize your screen name, but I can see from your post that you've been lurking and learning from the ladies here, I really don't mind. I know this is a UO. And my feelings on these vary from day to day.
ETA: I agree with everything else. And if you ask me tomorrow, I may completely change my stance on newb BFPs. I guess what I'm getting at is that it depends on how new the newb is. But that's hard to police. Same problem we ran into on TD. Who do we consider regs and who do we not?
I agree to a certain extent. But, in the example ghostmonkey made in the UO thread, if there are 3 posts about CM on the main page and a "post a new thread for every question" mentality is taken, people might think it's cool to ask that same CM question again without looking for the answer first.
I'm all for more discussion because (as you said) it's boring as fuck here but opening the flood gates doesn't seem like the best idea either.
I suppose there's no middle ground though.
I think there is a middle ground though.
We can flame somebody if they posted the fourth CM question right in a row on the main board, but why does every question posted on the main board have to be funneled into another thread?
I think we are all capable of making that distinction rather than sticking to the hard and fast rule where we automatically tell everyone their question should have gone somewhere else.
Maybe the middle ground is flaming where flaming is due? Does that sound too assholeish? Saying, "Hey, we're not your google and there are already 3 threads about this today." =/= "Can I get a chart stalk?"
I guess. It's still going to get posted though.
When TB was being used, what was done about things like this? Or did this problem exist then, too?
My 2¢: I like the randoms because it encourages the chit-chat to stay on the board instead of in a chat room. I think we need that to stay here in order to keep the board alive.
When TB was being used, what was done about things like this? Or did this problem exist then, too?
It still happened all the time. The only thing that was done was flaming and "we're not your google, search the forums before you post" but searching past posts was easier there than it is here, I think.
Here's what I don't want to see on the main board....
-pee sticks -drive by BFPs or newb BFPs (ie if I have to ask "who the fuck are you?" You probably shouldn't post a main board BFP) -babycenter type posts such as "Omg this TWW is killing me. Who else is in the TWW?" -PW. Don't start a new thread every day just because it's allowed. Nobody likes a PW.
Things I would like to see... -GTKYs and polls...I think they're fun -More conversations centered around individual topics. The random thread and drinking threads get too long for me to keep up. Don't bury stuff in there. Read and interesting Article and want to discuss? Post a new thread! Got a new puppy and want to AW? Post a new thread! Want to share dinner recipes? Post a new thread! But random one sentence musings can stay in the random thread.
Post by mainewifey on Mar 19, 2015 13:41:54 GMT -5
10 pages in the Randoms posts is a lot when you can't be here all day. It's tough to get caught up when you log on and there's 10 pages to go through. If you don't read the whole thing you risk saying something has been already covered. By the time you get done reading there's 4 more pages to go through.
Post by bunnyfungo on Mar 19, 2015 13:43:06 GMT -5
I think it's important to remember that as a new site we can create our board culture/norms from the ground up. As Loki said when we first moved here, it's our board that creates the rules for what is/is not okay. joy and I are here to moderate that and make sure nothing outside our own group standards are infringed upon. Not to say that we are going to start banning people that post pee-sticks, but I think it will help us be better moderators if we know where the group stands.
10 pages in the Randoms posts is a lot when you can't be here all day. It's tough to get caught up when you log on and there's 10 pages to go through. If you don't read the whole thing you risk saying something has been already covered. By the time you get done reading there's 4 more pages to go through.
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Think of it like a chatroom though. Nobody is going to flame you for commenting on something 6 pages back. Do you know how many times I've done this? When I catch up I post something like, "I see this has already been covered..." And everyone had a good laugh. Or, you jump in on the conversation and just have a good time with your friends.
I don't think we even have enough members at this point to make multiple CM questions (for example) in a row on the main board a potential issue. That kind of thing might become an issue later, as we gain members, but we could revisit it then. I don't see why we really need rules in place right now for what gets posted where.
10 pages in the Randoms posts is a lot when you can't be here all day. It's tough to get caught up when you log on and there's 10 pages to go through. If you don't read the whole thing you risk saying something has been already covered. By the time you get done reading there's 4 more pages to go through.
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Think of it like a chatroom though. Nobody is going to flame you for commenting on something 6 pages back. Do you know how many times I've done this? When I catch up I post something like, "I see this has already been covered..." And everyone had a good laugh. Or, you jump in on the conversation and just have a good time with your friends.
My anxiety just went through the roof just thinking about jumping in like that. So maybe this is just my own personal issue and I should start with some liquid courage in the drinking threads first.
Think of it like a chatroom though. Nobody is going to flame you for commenting on something 6 pages back. Do you know how many times I've done this? When I catch up I post something like, "I see this has already been covered..." And everyone had a good laugh. Or, you jump in on the conversation and just have a good time with your friends.
My anxiety just went through the roof just thinking about jumping in like that. So maybe this is just my own personal issue and I should start with some liquid courage in the drinking threads first.
I have ridiculous social anxiety. Just jump in with a "I haven't read, but..." It'll change your life.
10 pages in the Randoms posts is a lot when you can't be here all day. It's tough to get caught up when you log on and there's 10 pages to go through. If you don't read the whole thing you risk saying something has been already covered. By the time you get done reading there's 4 more pages to go through.
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What bunnyfungo said. I never read through the Randoms threads before posting, I just jump in. It works exactly like a chat room would. No single topic of conversation lasts long in those threads.
10 pages in the Randoms posts is a lot when you can't be here all day. It's tough to get caught up when you log on and there's 10 pages to go through. If you don't read the whole thing you risk saying something has been already covered. By the time you get done reading there's 4 more pages to go through.
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I don't get this mentality. Who the fuck cares if it was already covered. Just because it was, doesn't mean you aren't entitled to your own opinion and that you are not allowed to share it.
Sometimes I have to go into a meeting or god forbid do actual work, but when I come back I'll comment on what I want because it's an ONLINE FORUM!
My anxiety just went through the roof just thinking about jumping in like that. So maybe this is just my own personal issue and I should start with some liquid courage in the drinking threads first.
I have ridiculous social anxiety. Just jump in with a "I haven't read, but..." It'll change your life.
This is totally off topic, but my first thought was, "Wow, usually someone with major social anxiety wouldn't be comfortable wearing a sexy dress like that." Because in my head you ARE Jessica Rabbit.
Think of it like a chatroom though. Nobody is going to flame you for commenting on something 6 pages back. Do you know how many times I've done this? When I catch up I post something like, "I see this has already been covered..." And everyone had a good laugh. Or, you jump in on the conversation and just have a good time with your friends.
My anxiety just went through the roof just thinking about jumping in like that. So maybe this is just my own personal issue and I should start with some liquid courage in the drinking threads first.
It is asynchronous communication, nobody expects everyone to be current...
I actually love having people respond to things that were on my mind hours ago... sometimes it is repetitive, but even that can be fun (i.e. WTF is going on in Mugsters siggy?) I like the randoms thread, because it is a place I feel comfortable hanging out and dropping in and out of...
Post by mainewifey on Mar 19, 2015 14:00:56 GMT -5
SheilaTheTank, I think that mentality stems from exactly what this thread is about. It's hard to know all of the unwritten rules. Sometimes the rules are different for different people. It's just hard for someone who wasn't active on TD to feel comfortable jumping in.
Sometimes we talk about how IRL you wouldn't go up to a bunch of strangers and show them your pee stick or ask if they think you're pregnant, so one really shouldn't do that here. Well in the same light in IRL I would also not jump into a random conversation and say - hey I just got here and I want to talk about something that you guys stopped talking about 2 hours ago.
But, I get where you guys are coming from as well and I'm going to make an effort not to be such a wuss.
Here's what I don't want to see on the main board....
-pee sticks -drive by BFPs or newb BFPs (ie if I have to ask "who the fuck are you?" You probably shouldn't post a main board BFP) -babycenter type posts such as "Omg this TWW is killing me. Who else is in the TWW?" -PW. Don't start a new thread every day just because it's allowed. Nobody likes a PW.
Things I would like to see... -GTKYs and polls...I think they're fun -More conversations centered around individual topics. The random thread and drinking threads get too long for me to keep up. Don't bury stuff in there. Read and interesting Article and want to discuss? Post a new thread! Got a new puppy and want to AW? Post a new thread! Want to share dinner recipes? Post a new thread! But random one sentence musings can stay in the random thread.
I'm still trying to decide where I stand on this. Particularly the newb BFPs. I feel like moving to TCF helped many lurkers come out of lurkdom. I don't necessarily mind if someone who has only participated for a short while posts a BFP on the main board. I say this now, but when the site gets bigger and more popular, I may change my mind. Drive-bys? Hate 'em still. But if I click into it and maybe I don't recognize your screen name, but I can see from your post that you've been lurking and learning from the ladies here, I really don't mind. I know this is a UO. And my feelings on these vary from day to day.
ETA: I agree with everything else. And if you ask me tomorrow, I may completely change my stance on newb BFPs. I guess what I'm getting at is that it depends on how new the newb is. But that's hard to police. Same problem we ran into on TD. Who do we consider regs and who do we not?
I don't think it's a newbie thing for me as much as it is an active participant. If you just post in TWW and lurk then I think it's bizarre to post a BFP on the main board. Why do you want all of the attention from people who don't know you? I can't help it, it definitely bothered me on TB. It hasn't really happened over here and I'm happy about that.
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