For this to happen government subsidies on soy and corn crops need to be moved to fresh fruit and vegetables. If corn syrup wasn't so stupidly cheap, major food brands wouldn't use it in their products.
Yep. This is another part of a very very broken system. Subsidies to go to most fruits and veggies.
Ugh I meant don't go to fruits and veggies. Damn fat fingers.
That's a good deal for NYC. You could definitely pay $10 easily in some neighborhoods.
This is a Subway specific meal deal litmus test. I should have specified. I find that Subway has the most moderate price for sub style sandwiches. And it is across many countries with a standard recipe.
Post by housecarder on Apr 4, 2015 13:43:07 GMT -5
I just want to know, if the reason they are banning chips, soda, and candy is to be healthier, why are they banning shrimp and steak on the reasoning that fish sticks are cheaper? Chips are cheaper too. I thought the goal was healthier? Isn't fresh steak healthier than fish sticks?
I just want to know, if the reason they are banning chips, soda, and candy is to be healthier, why are they banning shrimp and steak on the reasoning that fish sticks are cheaper? Chips are cheaper too. I thought the goal was healthier? Isn't fresh steak healthier than fish sticks?
Ya, I think it was really unwise to present both messages at the same time. And I think both messages are wrong anyway.
That's a good deal for NYC. You could definitely pay $10 easily in some neighborhoods.
This is a Subway specific meal deal litmus test. I should have specified. I find that Subway has the most moderate price for sub style sandwiches. And it is across many countries with a standard recipe.
Oh, well then here is a good comparison. I live in NY State three hours north of the city. I can get the same Subway deal for $6.37.
Lets say someone is making 12.50 per hour. They have two children. Weekly Gross Pay$500.00 Federal Withholding$36.42 Social Security$31.00 Medicare$7.25 New York$16.96 SDI$0.60 Net Pay Net Pay$407.77
After taxes they are carrying home 407.77 X4= 1631.08 monthly.
Let's add in transportation to work. 116.50 for a monthly metocard. balance 1514.58
lets add in rent in Bronx,NY zip code 10470 for a two bedroom rent subsidized Median Rent $1,013.
Balance 501.58.
Light or gas hasn't been paid yet if that isn't included in the rent which a lot of places are cutting back on. Daycare averages about $150 per month per child without a daycare voucher. So for to kids in after school only you may pay $300 per month at an unlicensed daycare.
Balance 201.58
Food for a family of three: The USDA uses national food intake data and grocery price information to calculate different costs for a healthy diet at home. The latest numbers for a four-member family: a thrifty food plan, $146 a week; a low-cost food plan, $191 a week; a moderate-cost plan, $239; a liberal plan, $289 a week.
There is barely enough left over for one week on the national average to feed three people for one week muchless one month.
Were you looking at my parents check book? That is almost exact!
Please to enlighten me on the "correct way to use food stamps?"
Just because someone has a nice car/nice clothes doesn't mean they aren't struggling. Maybe they're barely making ends meet to prevent that car from being repossessed. Maybe they've had those expensive clothes for years and struggle with the choice of buying something new for themselves or shoes for their kids. Maybe that designer bag was a gift. You've never heard of people making six figures (who could afford the Louis Vuitton & BMW) losing their jobs? Becoming homeless? Having their whole world fall out from under them? You don't know each person's story so stop fucking judging.
Do you have a place to live? Food to eat? Clothes on your back? Then be fucking thankful & don't worry about what other people have going on.
I agree with everything said but I guess when I know children and their families so well it's harder for me not to feel more informed of their life....? When a child point blank tells me that they don't have money for snack but that they also went shopping last night with mom or dad for those new shoes, it's hard not to feel sad.
Regardless of what a kid or parent tells me, you are right that I can't truly know their life and struggles and therefore should not judge.
I feel like I have to jump in..I myself have seen ppl use all of their food stamps on sodas and snacks and their kids munch on bs food. That being said that's just bad parenting not the majority. The majority are doing what they can to balance food money and necessities. That being said I have no problem with a child wearing new clothes because children deserve the best their parents can provide. Just because the shoes look like a 200 dollar pair of shoes doesn't mean the parents didn't scrimp and save to buy for that child what non struggling parents buy every week. Personally my mother would wipe my shoes and help me keep them in best condition possible because it is expensive. Rich kids do not deserve better than poor kids. On another note coming from someone that at 5yrs old told my aunt that my mom made me ride in the trunk (she had a hatchback at the time) I know kids aren't always truthful. No snack might simply equal a snack they do not want to eat. Maybe they got crackers and cheese and wanted a fruit roll up. As long as a child is took care of I think it is no ones business what someone buys with what money because you have no idea what they have or may have to sacrifice for those "luxury" items.
Also yard sales, salvation army, and goodwill are all blessings to us that struggle. You never know if said 200$ shoes are well taken care of hand me downs.
Please to enlighten me on the "correct way to use food stamps?"
Just because someone has a nice car/nice clothes doesn't mean they aren't struggling. Maybe they're barely making ends meet to prevent that car from being repossessed. Maybe they've had those expensive clothes for years and struggle with the choice of buying something new for themselves or shoes for their kids. Maybe that designer bag was a gift. You've never heard of people making six figures (who could afford the Louis Vuitton & BMW) losing their jobs? Becoming homeless? Having their whole world fall out from under them? You don't know each person's story so stop fucking judging.
Do you have a place to live? Food to eat? Clothes on your back? Then be fucking thankful & don't worry about what other people have going on.
I agree with everything said but I guess when I know children and their families so well it's harder for me not to feel more informed of their life....? When a child point blank tells me that they don't have money for snack but that they also went shopping last night with mom or dad for those new shoes, it's hard not to feel sad.
Regardless of what a kid or parent tells me, you are right that I can't truly know their life and struggles and therefore should not judge.
I still have a lot of catching up to do but I can't not comment anymore with this one.
I grew up in a middle class household. We were never wealthy but I never wanted for anything as a kid either. When I was in the 8th grade my dad lost his job for a short time. My mom drove a new car, I had expensive cheerleading commitments that were a long time running, and we have always had nice clothes. But we had to use food stamps to get through for awhile that year. I remember getting the free lunch card at school and being too embarrassed to use it, so I didn't eat.
The fact that it could have been ME or my family that YOU were judging because we had a nice car AND food stamps for a few months absolutely enrages me. Because we absolutely were not taking advantage of a system. We were using it for its intended purpose: to get through a rough patch.
Also, it sounds like you might be a teacher. Have some fucking compassion. I really, really hope that your kids don't pick up on the fact that you're being so judgmental of their situations. As a person who has spent my entire career as a teacher and administrator in schools in high-needs areas, I can say with absolute confidence that if even an ounce of the judgement that is seeping from this post shows through in your work, you should find a different career.
Also yard sales, salvation army, and goodwill are all blessings to us that struggle. You never know if said 200$ shoes are well taken care of hand me downs.
Where are you from? Just curious by some of your phrases.
Also yard sales, salvation army, and goodwill are all blessings to us that struggle. You never know if said 200$ shoes are well taken care of hand me downs.
Where are you from? Just curious by some of your phrases.
I agree with everything said but I guess when I know children and their families so well it's harder for me not to feel more informed of their life....? When a child point blank tells me that they don't have money for snack but that they also went shopping last night with mom or dad for those new shoes, it's hard not to feel sad.
Regardless of what a kid or parent tells me, you are right that I can't truly know their life and struggles and therefore should not judge.
I still have a lot of catching up to do but I can't not comment anymore with this one.
I grew up in a middle class household. We were never wealthy but I never wanted for anything as a kid either. When I was in the 8th grade my dad lost his job for a short time. My mom drove a new car, I had expensive cheerleading commitments that were a long time running, and we have always had nice clothes. But we had to use food stamps to get through for awhile that year. I remember getting the free lunch card at school and being too embarrassed to use it, so I didn't eat.
The fact that it could have been ME or my family that YOU were judging because we had a nice car AND food stamps for a few months absolutely enrages me. Because we absolutely were not taking advantage of a system. We were using it for its intended purpose: to get through a rough patch.
Also, it sounds like you might be a teacher. Have some fucking compassion. I really, really hope that your kids don't pick up on the fact that you're being so judgmental of their situations. As a person who has spent my entire career as a teacher and administrator in schools in high-needs areas, I can say with absolute confidence that if even an ounce of the judgement that is seeping from this post shows through in your work, you should find a different career.
How about reading the whole thread before posting?
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I still have a lot of catching up to do but I can't not comment anymore with this one.
I grew up in a middle class household. We were never wealthy but I never wanted for anything as a kid either. When I was in the 8th grade my dad lost his job for a short time. My mom drove a new car, I had expensive cheerleading commitments that were a long time running, and we have always had nice clothes. But we had to use food stamps to get through for awhile that year. I remember getting the free lunch card at school and being too embarrassed to use it, so I didn't eat.
The fact that it could have been ME or my family that YOU were judging because we had a nice car AND food stamps for a few months absolutely enrages me. Because we absolutely were not taking advantage of a system. We were using it for its intended purpose: to get through a rough patch.
Also, it sounds like you might be a teacher. Have some fucking compassion. I really, really hope that your kids don't pick up on the fact that you're being so judgmental of their situations. As a person who has spent my entire career as a teacher and administrator in schools in high-needs areas, I can say with absolute confidence that if even an ounce of the judgement that is seeping from this post shows through in your work, you should find a different career.
How about reading the whole thread before posting?
I probably should have. I'm still only on page 3 of 8.
helloerrbody, it looks like I owe you an apology. I was posting as I was reading. It sounds like you care very much about your students, and I apologize for insinuating otherwise.
Post by anonymouseliza on Apr 4, 2015 15:25:48 GMT -5
I was ready to be all fired up, but mostly people are in agreement with my position.
Healthy food is a luxury for many in this country. Do you want health or to punish the poor? Mutually exclusive these days lawmakers! And in the case of the Repub quoted in the article - the answer is definitely to punish the poor. Asshole.
My sister had current name-brand designer clothes bought with tags on and she never paid more than pennies on the dollar, because she was a total deal shopper and lived in a big city by a great Goodwill. Most of my daughter's clothes come from swap spots and eBay - pretty much anything that's not from Target or Old Navy was something I got for under $5 from one of those other sites. My mother apparently dressed me almost exclusively in frilly Laura Ashley as a baby - all purchased at garage sales for $0.25. You'd be amazed what can be purchased for very little if you have good scouting and some luck.
The idea that people who receive assistance should *look* miserable and poor disgusts me. I always hear the conservative rants about this and foam at the mouth. Apart from the stuff above, I know someone whose hair was always immaculately colored while she was on assistance . . . because her sister was a hair stylist who did it for free. Same for the manicures. That was their time together. Good clothes wear well and last a long time. Fancy cars are often better made and may even be - gasp! - paid off. My iPhone was completely free because I got a low memory model with my normal upgrade - and I don't have a landlines. We bought crab legs today because they were the fish item on sale. I mean . . . I'm preaching to the choir at this point.
I wish more people stopped to *think* and were more compassionate and less smug and assured of their own security. Many things would different.
I agree with everything said but I guess when I know children and their families so well it's harder for me not to feel more informed of their life....? When a child point blank tells me that they don't have money for snack but that they also went shopping last night with mom or dad for those new shoes, it's hard not to feel sad.
Regardless of what a kid or parent tells me, you are right that I can't truly know their life and struggles and therefore should not judge.
I still have a lot of catching up to do but I can't not comment anymore with this one.
I grew up in a middle class household. We were never wealthy but I never wanted for anything as a kid either. When I was in the 8th grade my dad lost his job for a short time. My mom drove a new car, I had expensive cheerleading commitments that were a long time running, and we have always had nice clothes. But we had to use food stamps to get through for awhile that year. I remember getting the free lunch card at school and being too embarrassed to use it, so I didn't eat.
The fact that it could have been ME or my family that YOU were judging because we had a nice car AND food stamps for a few months absolutely enrages me. Because we absolutely were not taking advantage of a system. We were using it for its intended purpose: to get through a rough patch.
Also, it sounds like you might be a teacher. Have some fucking compassion. I really, really hope that your kids don't pick up on the fact that you're being so judgmental of their situations. As a person who has spent my entire career as a teacher and administrator in schools in high-needs areas, I can say with absolute confidence that if even an ounce of the judgement that is seeping from this post shows through in your work, you should find a different career.
Why don't you keep reading to see that I do have compassion, as well as more details to the specific situation as well as my apology.
I pour every ounce of my being into my job. It's my life. I love my students as my own children which is why it's so hard for me when they are upset because their parents tell them they have no money. They are 5. No 5 year old needs to hear that.
The vast, vast majority of parents love their children and do everything they can for them regardless of clothing cost, cars (which by the way I never mentioned a thing about cars in any of my posts), etc. But guess what? There ARE parents who abuse and neglect their children. It is my job (legally and contractually) to identify possible neglect.
I didn't side-eye some random kid with nice shoes and no snack, this is a child I know very well (spend 8 hours with him every day) and love with all my heart. I don't EVER make any type of comment or look, whatever to him about his clothing, lack of snack, parent involvement, etc. Which by the way, I already stated.
I still have a lot of catching up to do but I can't not comment anymore with this one.
I grew up in a middle class household. We were never wealthy but I never wanted for anything as a kid either. When I was in the 8th grade my dad lost his job for a short time. My mom drove a new car, I had expensive cheerleading commitments that were a long time running, and we have always had nice clothes. But we had to use food stamps to get through for awhile that year. I remember getting the free lunch card at school and being too embarrassed to use it, so I didn't eat.
The fact that it could have been ME or my family that YOU were judging because we had a nice car AND food stamps for a few months absolutely enrages me. Because we absolutely were not taking advantage of a system. We were using it for its intended purpose: to get through a rough patch.
Also, it sounds like you might be a teacher. Have some fucking compassion. I really, really hope that your kids don't pick up on the fact that you're being so judgmental of their situations. As a person who has spent my entire career as a teacher and administrator in schools in high-needs areas, I can say with absolute confidence that if even an ounce of the judgement that is seeping from this post shows through in your work, you should find a different career.
Why don't you keep reading to see that I do have compassion, as well as more details to the specific situation as well as my apology.
I pour every ounce of my being into my job. It's my life. I love my students as my own children which is why it's so hard for me when they are upset because their parents tell them they have no money. They are 5. No 5 year old needs to hear that.
The vast, vast majority of parents love their children and do everything they can for them regardless of clothing cost, cars (which by the way I never mentioned a thing about cars in any of my posts), etc. But guess what? There ARE parents who abuse and neglect their children. It is my job (legally and contractually) to identify possible neglect.
I didn't side-eye some random kid with nice shoes and no snack, this is a child I know very well (spend 8 hours with him every day) and love with all my heart. I don't EVER make any type of comment or look, whatever to him about his clothing, lack of snack, parent involvement, etc. Which by the way, I already stated.
Telling me to find a new career? Fuck that.
I did keep reading, and I did apologize. It sounds like you're a great teacher. Again, I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions.
helloerrbody, it looks like I owe you an apology. I was posting as I was reading. It sounds like you care very much about your students, and I apologize for insinuating otherwise.
Edit: grammar
Well now sorry from me because I hit reply to what you said immediately and didn't see this.
I realize how I was taking a specific situation and making it seem very generalized, and I should not have done that.
I can assure you that I love my students an unmeasurable amount and just want them to have the love and care they need and deserve from everyone in their life.
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I believe that if they truly want to focus on healthy items with food stamps then not allowing chips and soda would be reasonable but they need to allow fresh produce and meat, not just cheap box and canned items. And steak and lobster is healthier than that canned item because it's fresh. helloerrbody I know this was discussed but one question I had while reading was why does that student *need* a snack? If he's receiving three meals a day, he's being provided for nutritionally and doesn't need a snack. Assuming he gets breakfast and dinner at home of course.
I believe that if they truly want to focus on healthy items with food stamps then not allowing chips and soda would be reasonable but they need to allow fresh produce and meat, not just cheap box and canned items. And steak and lobster is healthier than that canned item because it's fresh. helloerrbody I know this was discussed but one question I had while reading was why does that student *need* a snack? If he's receiving three meals a day, he's being provided for nutritionally and doesn't need a snack. Assuming he gets breakfast and dinner at home of course.
If they can't afford snacks, chances are VERY likely he's not getting 3 meals a day.
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I believe that if they truly want to focus on healthy items with food stamps then not allowing chips and soda would be reasonable but they need to allow fresh produce and meat, not just cheap box and canned items. And steak and lobster is healthier than that canned item because it's fresh. helloerrbody I know this was discussed but one question I had while reading was why does that student *need* a snack? If he's receiving three meals a day, he's being provided for nutritionally and doesn't need a snack. Assuming he gets breakfast and dinner at home of course.
If they can't afford snacks, chances are VERY likely he's not getting 3 meals a day.
That's definitely a possibility but currently our family cannot afford any extras such as snacks, eating out or fun things like the movies but we can always put meals on our table. Perhaps that students family is making poor financial decisions though. It's hard to say without knowing the family, or anyone's situation.
I believe that if they truly want to focus on healthy items with food stamps then not allowing chips and soda would be reasonable but they need to allow fresh produce and meat, not just cheap box and canned items. And steak and lobster is healthier than that canned item because it's fresh. helloerrbody I know this was discussed but one question I had while reading was why does that student *need* a snack? If he's receiving three meals a day, he's being provided for nutritionally and doesn't need a snack. Assuming he gets breakfast and dinner at home of course.
Have you ever been the only kid in class without a snack? It fucking sucks. Have some compassion.
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I believe that if they truly want to focus on healthy items with food stamps then not allowing chips and soda would be reasonable but they need to allow fresh produce and meat, not just cheap box and canned items. And steak and lobster is healthier than that canned item because it's fresh. helloerrbody I know this was discussed but one question I had while reading was why does that student *need* a snack? If he's receiving three meals a day, he's being provided for nutritionally and doesn't need a snack. Assuming he gets breakfast and dinner at home of course.
I believe that if they truly want to focus on healthy items with food stamps then not allowing chips and soda would be reasonable but they need to allow fresh produce and meat, not just cheap box and canned items. And steak and lobster is healthier than that canned item because it's fresh. helloerrbody I know this was discussed but one question I had while reading was why does that student *need* a snack? If he's receiving three meals a day, he's being provided for nutritionally and doesn't need a snack. Assuming he gets breakfast and dinner at home of course.
Have you ever been the only kid in class without a snack? It fucking sucks. Have some compassion.
I'm only referring to the neglect discussion that was held previously. I was saying the parents were not neglecting him just because they couldn't afford snacks. I am in complete support of that teacher giving them a snack so they're included.
Have you ever been the only kid in class without a snack? It fucking sucks. Have some compassion.
I'm only referring to the neglect discussion that was held previously. I was saying the parents were not neglecting him just because they couldn't afford snacks. I am in complete support of that teacher giving them a snack so they're included.
I don't think it was implied his parents were neglecting him.
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I'm only referring to the neglect discussion that was held previously. I was saying the parents were not neglecting him just because they couldn't afford snacks. I am in complete support of that teacher giving them a snack so they're included.
I don't think it was implied his parents were neglecting him.
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