I am. Basically they are upset and keep going back to the fact that the records were leaked because it was a juvenile records.
Yes, this. Poor poor josh. Everything has been resolved and the family was all hunky dorey until mean people with an agenda brought it up again.
Michelle said that when she made the robo calls it wasn't a big deal, but this is awful because people are twisting the truth to slander their family. Um, sorry Michelle but it can't be slander if it's true. They're all so messed up!
So I read a live blog & they said Josh told them he did it because he was curious about girls. Honestly that makes me see him as somewhat of a victim too. Of his life & upbringing. I mean all these completely normal feelings & he has no outlet for that curiosity other than his siblings because they are so isolated & made to feel so ashamed of normal feelings.
I just heard that earlier. I'm wondering why they would come out with it and why only those 2. I'm sure Jana was one too. Probably because they are already married and can't sway off future husbands. I feel bad the girls having to talk about this in front of America.
I just heard that earlier. I'm wondering why they would come out with it and why only those 2. I'm sure Jana was one too. Probably because they are already married and can't sway off future husbands. I feel bad the girls having to talk about this in front of America.
junkytrunk, that's what bothers me the most. Jim bob and Michelle were defending Josh and it's the girls they should care about. They're the ones having to deal with this all over again. I feel really bad for them.
I agree britbratjf, I don't really see Josh as a pedophile or deviant so much as a normal teenager with raging hormones and questions about sex and girls and absolutely no normal healthy outlet to discuss or learn what to do with those feelings. Honestly the most troubling thing about all of this for me is the hypocrisy of the family. Being so outspoken about the completely unfounded fear of trans people molesting girls in bathrooms when their own son molested girls. The true irony is that their efforts to protect their kids from the dangers of sex by never discussing it or allowing any normal contact is what in fact put their kids in danger. It's just very sad how sexuality is twisted by religion and the harmful effects the shame attached to sexuality has on people.
I agree britbratjf, I don't really see Josh as a pedophile or deviant so much as a normal teenager with raging hormones and questions about sex and girls and absolutely no normal healthy outlet to discuss or learn what to do with those feelings. Honestly the most troubling thing about all of this for me is the hypocrisy of the family. Being so outspoken about the completely unfounded fear of trans people molesting girls in bathrooms when their own son molested girls. The true irony is that their efforts to protect their kids from the dangers of sex by never discussing it or allowing any normal contact is what in fact put their kids in danger. It's just very sad how sexuality is twisted by religion and the harmful effects the shame attached to sexuality has on people.
Post by aimeefarrahfowler on Jun 4, 2015 8:08:09 GMT -5
Okay I got the highlight reel. Jim Bob is full of shit. What a collossal douche. They seem more upset this was released than they do that it happened. I am not surprised by their reaction. They have reacted exactly as I assumed they would.
For me the most troubling part of this interview is the fact there are people named "Megyn"
I saw parts of it and I wanted to vomit. I love the phrase "we felt like a failure as parents." So the logical thing was to pump out more kids? How about focusing on the abused kids and getting your son help?
I saw parts of it and I wanted to vomit. I love the phrase "we felt like a failure as parents." So the logical thing was to pump out more kids? How about focusing on the abused kids and getting your son help?
Again, I missed the first 30 minutes, but I was reading on People that Josh went to his parents 3 times before they put "safeguards" in place. Was this mentioned in the interview? WTAF? He admitted it 3 times?!?!? What kind of "safeguards" can you put in place? The more I hear about this the more disgusted I feel.
I agree britbratjf, I don't really see Josh as a pedophile or deviant so much as a normal teenager with raging hormones and questions about sex and girls and absolutely no normal healthy outlet to discuss or learn what to do with those feelings. Honestly the most troubling thing about all of this for me is the hypocrisy of the family. Being so outspoken about the completely unfounded fear of trans people molesting girls in bathrooms when their own son molested girls. The true irony is that their efforts to protect their kids from the dangers of sex by never discussing it or allowing any normal contact is what in fact put their kids in danger. It's just very sad how sexuality is twisted by religion and the harmful effects the shame attached to sexuality has on people.
I would agree with this if it was just the older girls. I get that kids are charged up on hormones and want to explore. However, the problem I have is that he molested a 6 year old sister. We know she was that young because she requested to have the report destroyed since she is still a minor. I cannot overlook that as being curious. It was a 6 year old, not a teenager. To me that draws a line and I have to label him as a pedophile. I do think that his actions and his behavior is due to his family and upbringing. Jom Bob and Michelle made him that way, which is really sad.
I agree britbratjf, I don't really see Josh as a pedophile or deviant so much as a normal teenager with raging hormones and questions about sex and girls and absolutely no normal healthy outlet to discuss or learn what to do with those feelings. Honestly the most troubling thing about all of this for me is the hypocrisy of the family. Being so outspoken about the completely unfounded fear of trans people molesting girls in bathrooms when their own son molested girls. The true irony is that their efforts to protect their kids from the dangers of sex by never discussing it or allowing any normal contact is what in fact put their kids in danger. It's just very sad how sexuality is twisted by religion and the harmful effects the shame attached to sexuality has on people.
I would agree with this if it was just the older girls. I get that kids are charged up on hormones and want to explore. However, the problem I have is that he molested a 6 year old sister. We know she was that young because she requested to have the report destroyed since she is still a minor. I cannot overlook that as being curious. It was a 6 year old, not a teenager. To me that draws a line and I have to label him as a pedophile. I do think that his actions and his behavior is due to his family and upbringing. Jom Bob and Michelle made him that way, which is really sad.
I didn't know about that! Yeah I have a big problem with the younger sister. I agree with jodielyn10 if it had just been teh sisters around his age (still obviously really really wrong), but a 6 yo doesn't fall into that narrative very well.
I don't get the concept of watching him all the time. Can you watch a kid all the time? Don't you have to go to sleep? Did they tie him to them at night? Don't answer that! I didn't watch the interview so I really don't know what their safeguards were. I still say I would have had to remove him from the house. Period. At least for a while until everything was dealt with. From what I have seen, they don't seem concerned enough for the victims.
It also bugs me when people try to martyr themselves for their cause, be it religion or some other lifestyle choice you know people will love/hate. If you put yourself on TV, there are going to be haters. If you don't want to be attacked, don't put yourself out there. If you willingly go on TV, be prepared to deal with the consequences.
I would agree with this if it was just the older girls. I get that kids are charged up on hormones and want to explore. However, the problem I have is that he molested a 6 year old sister. We know she was that young because she requested to have the report destroyed since she is still a minor. I cannot overlook that as being curious. It was a 6 year old, not a teenager. To me that draws a line and I have to label him as a pedophile. I do think that his actions and his behavior is due to his family and upbringing. Jom Bob and Michelle made him that way, which is really sad.
I didn't know about that! Yeah I have a big problem with the younger sister. I agree with jodielyn10 if it had just been teh sisters around his age (still obviously really really wrong), but a 6 yo doesn't fall into that narrative very well.
I had read that it was estimated that the youngest sister would have been 4 at the time of the incidents. However, whenever I tried to figure it out I came up with 5. That is why I think it's a major issue and would agree with the original post about how it could just be a teenager being curious. But being curious, you wouldn't go to the really younger ones.
It also bugs me when people try to martyr themselves for their cause, be it religion or some other lifestyle choice you know people will love/hate. If you put yourself on TV, there are going to be haters. If you don't want to be attacked, don't put yourself out there. If you willingly go on TV, be prepared to deal with the consequences.
I saw parts of it and I wanted to vomit. I love the phrase "we felt like a failure as parents." So the logical thing was to pump out more kids? How about focusing on the abused kids and getting your son help?
Again, I missed the first 30 minutes, but I was reading on People that Josh went to his parents 3 times before they put "safeguards" in place. Was this mentioned in the interview? WTAF? He admitted it 3 times?!?!? What kind of "safeguards" can you put in place? The more I hear about this the more disgusted I feel.
This is why they have the "buddy system." If you notice none of the girls are alone. On the show you see the guys doing their thing but never the girls. They are always in pairs or groups. They also said in the interview that they made a rule about sitting on laps. I guess Josh molested one of the younger girls when she sat on his lap to have him read a story. The girls are not allowed to sit on any man's lap, except their dad. Yes they made a point to say they could sit on Jim Bob's lap. Vomit.
Again, I missed the first 30 minutes, but I was reading on People that Josh went to his parents 3 times before they put "safeguards" in place. Was this mentioned in the interview? WTAF? He admitted it 3 times?!?!? What kind of "safeguards" can you put in place? The more I hear about this the more disgusted I feel.
This is why they have the "buddy system." If you notice none of the girls are alone. On the show you see the guys doing their thing but never the girls. They are always in pairs or groups. They also said in the interview that they made a rule about sitting on laps. I guess Josh molested one of the younger girls when she sat on his lap to have him read a story. The girls are not allowed to sit on any man's lap, except their dad. Yes they made a point to say they could sit on Jim Bob's lap. Vomit.
Let's also take a moment to recognize that all the "safeguards" put burdens on the girls, not the person who might do the molesting.
This is why they have the "buddy system." If you notice none of the girls are alone. On the show you see the guys doing their thing but never the girls. They are always in pairs or groups. They also said in the interview that they made a rule about sitting on laps. I guess Josh molested one of the younger girls when she sat on his lap to have him read a story. The girls are not allowed to sit on any man's lap, except their dad. Yes they made a point to say they could sit on Jim Bob's lap. Vomit.
Let's also take a moment to recognize that all the "safeguards" put burdens on the girls, not the person who might do the molesting.
Yes, let's make sure we fear monger the victims instead of going to Josh and getting him out of the situation. Sick!
Post by ThePinkSuperhero on Jun 5, 2015 5:55:20 GMT -5
Sounds like a lot of what they said in the interview contradicts what was reported in the police report years ago. All these people can get off my TV forever.
I just heard that earlier. I'm wondering why they would come out with it and why only those 2. I'm sure Jana was one too. Probably because they are already married and can't sway off future husbands. I feel bad the girls having to talk about this in front of America.
Probably since Jill & Jessa are married their husbands have already "accepted their sins" or whatever it is husbands in the Duggar world do. But Jana's unmarried she can't be seen as "tainted" or whatever.
Honestly, this whole thing could be a piece of the puzzle as to WHY Jana's not married yet...
Sounds like a lot of what they said in the interview contradicts what was reported in the police report years ago. All these people can get off my TV forever.
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