UO's...Lets hear them ladies!

[Widget123]

Apr 30, 2015 11:20:30 GMT -5 @jemomma said:

Apr 30, 2015 11:13:36 GMT -5 alayne926 said:

I thought this too at first, but in reading a little more, they went from when she first started having BH contractions, it wasn't just from active labor.  

Along these lines, I was reading some birth stories on other BMB's and some of the people that posted home birth stories totally got a side-eye from me in choices to stay at home rather than go to a birth center/hospital.  At least Jill had the common sense to go to the hospital when it didn't seem right.

I thought it was 70 hours from when her water broke. I remember I read somewhere that she went and got a pedicure after her water broke. That is the last thing I would be doing, but props to her for keeping so calm.

Yeah that is consistent with the article in People, that her water broke at the beginning.

The part of the story that bugs me the most is she labored on in the hospital refusing interventions for another 50 hours after discovering meconium.  Being Group B Strep + and having a transverse baby is just icing on the cake. 

[Bluedaisy]

Apr 30, 2015 11:49:06 GMT -5 wormgerm said:

I mean... if we're talking grimy preschool and elementary school kids here talking with full mouths and wiping their faces on their hands and clothes is the "inconvenience" of food restricted communities worth risking sending another kid into anaphylaxis? The happy go lucky allergy free kids can have all the restricted foods at home for after school snack, dinner, and on the weekend.

Especially since preschoolers and kinders can't read labels for themselves and share everything....sliming pencils etc.

I don't think whole school bans work but our class has a little one with life threatening allergies so we ban those allergens.  Does it force some parents to think about lunches more and is it a bit inconvenient? Sure, absolutely.  

But is convenience worth a child's life? 

[shinytoys]

Apr 30, 2015 11:49:35 GMT -5 @jemomma said:

Apr 30, 2015 11:38:53 GMT -5 shinytoys said:

I think feeling like your child is missing out on some aspect of life because they can't bring a peanut butter sandwich to school is really odd.

It's such a minor thing....I don't find it to be a major lunch staple.

If you have a picky eater like I do, sometimes peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are the only option.  One of my kids won't touch lunchmeat with a 10 foot pole.  I don't have time to make an entire meal (chicken, pasta, etc.) everyday just for a school lunch.  When I was a kid I was an extremely picky eater as well and I brought PB&J sandwiches almost everyday to school.  If I had not been allowed to, I probably would not have eaten most days.

It's not that they are missing out, it's that you are taking away an important option for a lot of children. A pb&j is also cheap to make, if you are scraping by in regards to money, you can't buy your kid a school lunch everyday and you need a cheaper healthy option in place.

In the picky eater situation, it sounds like you could easily substitute the peanut butter for sun butter.  

In regards to the financial costs, schools offer free and reduced lunches for children that qualify.  However, I have not researched the financial impact of oeanut butter sandwiches versus other options on a family.  

Lastly, no one expects a gourmet lunch and it's a major stretch to even suggest it but it's very hard for me to understand the complaint about minimizing the risks for a child with a severe allergy versus convenience/ annoyance.

[tatersalad]

Glad to see some heated debate here today for a change.
Lucky for me, my kid isn't that picky of an eater and he couldn't care less that I can't send PB&J's or peanut butter granola bars in his school lunch. We have no problem finding other things to send him, I just think banning of certain items to cater to specific allergies is a slippery slope as @demanda pointed out, hence my unpopular opinion.
FWIW I've had success with occasional chiropractic visits after a serious car wreck, but I think some of them are quacks. I worked for one years ago who was a bit of a wack job.
And I'm pro cremation.

[wormgerm]

Apr 30, 2015 12:12:41 GMT -5 @jemomma said:

Apr 30, 2015 12:01:58 GMT -5 shinytoys said:

In the picky eater situation, it sounds like you could easily substitute the peanut butter for sun butter.  

In regards to the financial costs, schools offer free and reduced lunches for children that qualify.  However, I have not researched the financial impact of oeanut butter sandwiches versus other options on a family.  

Lastly, no one expects a gourmet lunch and it's a major stretch to even suggest it but it's very hard for me to understand the complaint about minimizing the risks for a child with a severe allergy versus convenience/ annoyance.

Again, why should my family have to change what we buy at the grocery store because your kid has allergies.  I'm sorry for any child who does, and I can only imagine the amount of worry that a parent has in regards to this, but it's not my problem or my family's problem.  I'm sorry if that seems insensitive, but it's the truth. Teach your kid what they can and can't have. Teach them how dangerous it is to share lunches with others.  Teach them to read ingredients before ingesting something. If my kid had a strawberry allergy and ended up eating strawberries at school one day, I would not blame the kid who shared the strawberries or ask the school to implement a new rule, I would blame myself for not instilling in my child what they are not allowed to eat and I would blame my child for not listening to me.

But it goes beyond just sharing food. Oils and stuff left on your kids body and the surfaces he or she touches end up on everything and could cause another kid harm.

[wormgerm]

I've seen way too much CSI to be ok with decaying in a box. Burn me up! Or whatever else is more environmentally friendly when I die. Just please no rot and decay.

[wormgerm]

@badwolf321 Honey they can turn you into a diamond. Hahahaha omg imagine becoming the heirloom family engagement ring.

Puts a whole new meaning behind "it's my Grandma's ring"

[islandgirl14]

Apr 30, 2015 12:12:41 GMT -5 @jemomma said:

Apr 30, 2015 12:01:58 GMT -5 shinytoys said:

In the picky eater situation, it sounds like you could easily substitute the peanut butter for sun butter.  

In regards to the financial costs, schools offer free and reduced lunches for children that qualify.  However, I have not researched the financial impact of oeanut butter sandwiches versus other options on a family.  

Lastly, no one expects a gourmet lunch and it's a major stretch to even suggest it but it's very hard for me to understand the complaint about minimizing the risks for a child with a severe allergy versus convenience/ annoyance.

Again, why should my family have to change what we buy at the grocery store because your kid has allergies.  I'm sorry for any child who does, and I can only imagine the amount of worry that a parent has in regards to this, but it's not my problem or my family's problem.  I'm sorry if that seems insensitive, but it's the truth. Teach your kid what they can and can't have. Teach them how dangerous it is to share lunches with others.  Teach them to read ingredients before ingesting something. If my kid had a strawberry allergy and ended up eating strawberries at school one day, I would not blame the kid who shared the strawberries or ask the school to implement a new rule, I would blame myself for not instilling in my child what they are not allowed to eat and I would blame my child for not listening to me.

I guess I just don't think it's quite that simple - teaching your children not to share, teaching them to read labels, etc etc. What about the situations where kids are too young to fully realize the extent of the issue? We're not at that point quite yet, but when our son goes to preschool, or is in K4, K5, 1st grade, etc., do I fully expect him to be able to understand the issue, and know ALL the things he can and can't have? I can't imagine how I could get him to understand at those early ages that if he eats ANY dairy or egg products, he'll go into anaphylaxis shock.. or if he comes into contact with any peanuts or shellfish of any type, he'll break out in major hives... How do we handle those situations? I guess I'm truly asking, because that is what we are facing. Obviously it is our intent as he grows over to make sure he fully understands and is proactive about his allergies, but realistically, I think there is also a time period where children just aren't capable and mature enough to watch out for themselves...

Andplusalso, I know a little girl who was eating lunch in her cafeteria, and some other kid opened and ate some peanut butter food, and even though she wasn't even sitting near him, she wound up going into anaphylaxis shock... she did didn't do anything wrong... I'm not blaming the other child of course, but it's not just about not eating the food of concern... airborne particles can also be a major issue.

[islandgirl14]

Apr 30, 2015 12:17:47 GMT -5 @badwolf321 said:

Apr 30, 2015 12:16:03 GMT -5 wormgerm said:

But it goes beyond just sharing food. Oils and stuff left on your kids body and the surfaces he or she touches end up on everything and could cause another kid harm.

Or when its on the child's breath that just had the allergen to eat. That causes some kids to go into shock as well.

Yup - this exactly. If we have dairy residue on our hands and touch G, he breaks out in hives. We literally have to wash our mouths after we've eaten dairy or eggs before we kiss him or touch him. There have also been times when he's broken out in hives from airborne particles as well. It's rare, but it's happened.

[mathistm]

Apr 30, 2015 10:22:31 GMT -5 fatmilkisdelish said:

Apr 30, 2015 10:02:07 GMT -5 @kej0004 said:

I can't believe how many people go to chiropractors. Chiropractics is mostly a bunch of unsubstantiated nonsense.

OK, so I am glad this came up because it was on my list of things to mention on UO today. I like the chiropractor, but someone told me they take their kids take the chiropractor as their primary care physician.... No. I also don't think they're real doctors, but maybe that's just me.

ETA - I am only going during pregnancy because I have sciatica....it has definitely helped so far. That being said, still not doctors.
Also, when I said "real doctors" above-i meant real in the capacity of someone who introduces themselves to people as Dr so and so...I don't think chiropractors should do that. Or physical therapists... Or people who have their PhD.. And yes, I have met some people who do. It's not OK

Ummm there are other doctors aside from medical doctors. Maybe I read this wrong. But people who have PhDs are more than welcome to introduce themselves as doctor. It is okay because most people are usually able to figure out the difference between a setting where you would see someone with a PhD vs an MD. I can think of plenty of examples-psychologists, dentists, university professors-there are a ton of professions where you get a doctorate and are therefore a doctor without a medical degree.

[sapphyre0702]

Apr 30, 2015 11:45:21 GMT -5 erbear said:

UO- I think parents that try to restrict foods and police everything are doing more harm than good. I've struggled with my weight my entire life and I want my daughter to know what good nutrition looks like - but Oreos are not going to kill her.

Totally agree! If you tell a kid they can't have it they are going to hide it and binge and potentially feel ashamed that they disappointed you. I want to raise my children to understand food is for healthy and enjoyment. I am going to try as hard as humanly possible to not equate food with rewards or punishment or equate appearance with health to avoid destructive behavior around food. It took me a long time to get to a healthy place with food and I dont want my children to struggle. Plus I think being raised on healthy real food actually makes the processed food not taste as good. I never had soda growing up (I was allowed to at parties and things) but it was so sweet and I was so unaccustomed to it that I never liked it.

[bendherova]

Apr 30, 2015 11:20:05 GMT -5 @bubbs119 said:

Apr 30, 2015 11:08:51 GMT -5 kemdupuis said:

Disagree. I go to the chiropractor on a regular basis (both pre pg and currently) and have experience enormous relief in my back and neck issues. I have had multiple injuries including herniated discs and pinched nerves- resulting in excruciating pain. Pain meds, muscle relaxers, and steroids do not help long term. Chiropractic care has.

I think often times what chiropractors take to fix on a weekly basis (essentially for the rest of your life) could be dealt with by fixing the root of the problem through seeking out physical therapy and following through with their prescribed regimen. 

If we're getting anecdotal my husband also has herniated discs and back problems from years of playing rugby. He saw a chiropractor which helped short term - but once he engaged in PT and actually kept up with his exercises and stretching routine he is pain free. 


ETA: the same could also be said for my knees from running. I could see a chiropractor and get my hips adjusted, but instead I saw a PT and worked on strengthening my hamstrings and glutes, which was why my hips and IT bands were getting all out of place and causing pain. 

I too have uneven legs which caused major pain with DS1, and a subsequent herniated disc. I was treated with PT and fitted for orthotics to even the imbalance and taught how to move, lift, etc and also directed to do exercises that strengthen core muscles. It worked. Sure, orthotics are friggin' sexy, but I'd rather have less than hip shoes and no back pain.

PT was under the direction of an MD, so, she gets my nod.


@jimbobcooter, there are peer reviewed studies on the benefits of acupuncture as far as pain relief go, so I don't put that in the same category as chiro care at all. .

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Apr 30, 2015 10:19:59 GMT -5 @demanda88 said:

Apr 30, 2015 9:46:21 GMT -5 tatersalad said:

It annoys the shit out of me that I can't send a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with my kid to pre-school because of food allergy rules. Those of you that have kids with food allergies -flame away!

I personally have a nut/peanut allergy and this rule drives me crazy. We're teaching an entire generation of kids that the world should cater to them because of a food allergy. My mom taught me to be an advocate for myself growing up & I learned to check ingredients, tell friends moms I had an allergy, etc. These kids are going to have a hell of a time when they become adults and realize that employers won't cater to them.

My friends baby almost died on an airplane because someone opened a bag of peanuts so to anyone who is inconvenienced or annoyed by the new rules regarding peanut allegies you can all suck it!!!

[sapphyre0702]

@poppyc8

I was on a plane a few months ago and did find it weird that they served peanuts. I remember thinking to myself that it could be really bad to be in an enclosed space with peanuts without asking if anyone had an allergy. I thought planes did away with that years ago to prevent exactly what happened to your friend. Happy her baby is okay though.

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Apr 30, 2015 12:52:32 GMT -5 sapphyre0702 said:

@poppyc8

I was on a plane a few months ago and did find it weird that they served peanuts. I remember thinking to myself that it could be really bad to be in an enclosed space with peanuts without asking if anyone had an allergy. I thought planes did away with that years ago to prevent exactly what happened to your friend. Happy her baby is okay though.

I was on a SW flight recently and pre boarded due to pregnancy, and a man came on with me. He had a slip of paper he handed to the flight attendant that specified that he had a nut allergy so they served pretzels on the flight instead of the peanuts. I think it's up to the passenger to identify their allergy and I think asking if people have allergies on a plane opens up a whole can of worms of people wanting all sorts of things excluded from flights versus someone with a severe allergy identifying themselves in advance and then the flight attendants making an announcement before take off.

[megd893]

Apr 30, 2015 12:33:16 GMT -5 @kej0004 said:

Apr 30, 2015 11:21:53 GMT -5 pbubblegum said:

Mine is a little weird. I think it's selfish to be buried in a cemetery. Think about all the wasted land and think about all the people that will fill up those plots when it could be used for other purposes. There won't be any more room for everyone years to come. There are other, more sustainable ways to honour our loved ones.
Not sure but this was on my mind recently.

As creepy as this sounds, I'm totally on board with using my family's ashes to make diamonds. It's pretty expensive, but then at least you get some pretty legit family heirlooms. All the leftover ashes can just be sprinkled somewhere.

"Here sweetie, I'm passing along these earrings made out of grandma and grandpa..."

I wish I wasn't at work right now.  A link populated at the bottom of my huffpost article today about putting your loved ones remains... INSIDE A DESIGNER DILDO.  Let that marinate for a second... 

[wormgerm]

megd893 That made me chuckle. The only semi-not-horrible person I can think of to make in to a sex toy would be a SO/lover. But.... ew.

[islandgirl14]

Apr 30, 2015 12:53:50 GMT -5 @kej0004 said:

Apr 30, 2015 12:49:44 GMT -5 @poppyc8 said:

My friends baby almost died on an airplane because someone opened a bag of peanuts so to anyone who is inconvenienced or annoyed by the new rules regarding peanut allegies you can all suck it!!!

So we should make peanuts illegal in all public spaces?

I don't mean to offend, but I think this comment is a little extreme... nobody is saying peanuts need to be banned in a park or something... It's an issue to smaller confined indoor places.

Honestly... this issue is complex and will probably never have straight-forward answers. I understand both sides of the issue, and there have been questions posed on here that I just don't know the answer to. But in my opinion, the bottom line is that if people's lives are at stake, it's worth the "inconvenience" that is placed on people. It's just not a question in my mind, and not worth the risk.

[islandgirl14]

Apr 30, 2015 13:14:46 GMT -5 @jemomma said:

Apr 30, 2015 12:34:39 GMT -5 islandgirl14 said:

Yup - this exactly. If we have dairy residue on our hands and touch G, he breaks out in hives. We literally have to wash our mouths after we've eaten dairy or eggs before we kiss him or touch him. There have also been times when he's broken out in hives from airborne particles as well. It's rare, but it's happened.

So what will you do when he goes to school? Request a special rule that kids can't bring milk, eggs for lunches/snacks? Just curious how you will handle it since I have never seen a rule in place banning dasiry our eggs from lunches.

Honestly? I have no fricken clue, and I worry about that every day! No, I obviously can't request a special rule that kids can't bring milk, eggs, etc to school, because he is allergic to everything under the sun. I don't know how to handle it - and it causes me very grave concerns....

[belle0720]

I went to school with a girl who now has a son that is allergic to nearly all food. Something like his body can't digest the proteins in food and the only things he's been able to successfully eat without getting sick are made of pure sugar (examples she gave were cotton candy and dum dums). He can't even be near people with food on their breath. So he just now started being able to attend school by sitting in a tiny room with a window into the classroom and participating via facetime/ipad. Pretty crazy, I can't imagine how hard that would be!

[sapphyre0702]

@ktpatter Interesting! I didn't know people could do that!

[islandgirl14]

Apr 30, 2015 13:23:55 GMT -5 @demanda88 said:

Apr 30, 2015 13:19:21 GMT -5 islandgirl14 said:

Honestly? I have no fricken clue, and I worry about that every day! No, I obviously can't request a special rule that kids can't bring milk, eggs, etc to school, because he is allergic to everything under the sun. I don't know how to handle it - and it causes me very grave concerns....

This one is hard because even if you could have a ban in place for every allergen, what are they going to do when they grow up and have to go to work? It's not like you can request that your coworkers don't bring allergenic food into the building. Of course, it's reasonable that they shouldn't eat a PB&J and come breathe on you (which has happened to me, and I got up and was like "I'm sorry but you smell like PB and I might throw up"). I've obviously never been in the position of a parent dealing with their kid who has an allergy, I've just been the allergic person. I can see how paranoid a mom or dad might become over it because it is really scary how quickly and easily an allergic reaction can happen. 

I do see the value in having these kind of strict rules in place at a daycare because two years old put things in their mouths and don't understand food allergies. They're way too young to be able to deal with a serious allergy on their own. 

Well and that's just it... you can't have a ban in place for every single allergen. I fully support keeping the more common and severe things out of places like school lunch rooms etc. (peanuts, as we talked about), but you can't do it for everything, and unfortunately for us, our son has life threatening allergies to more than one food group. I am not so worried about what will happen as he grows up and needs to go to work - by then he'll be able to figure it out and make the right choices. It's the young school age that worries me - kids don't understand that they can't share or have certain things, and our son on the other end, will be too young to know that he can't take things or be around things. Again at some point he'll be old enough to know how to handle it when he's on his own - I don't know what that age is (high school maybe? I don't know...), but until then, it's our responsibility to make sure he stays safe. Well, obviously we'll always make sure he stays safe, but you know what I mean...

End rant!

[tatersalad]

All this discussion has made me decide that a grilled PB&J would make a delicious second lunch option today. Mmmm.

[islandgirl14]

Apr 30, 2015 13:28:51 GMT -5 belle0720 said:

I went to school with a girl who now has a son that is allergic to nearly all food. Something like his body can't digest the proteins in food and the only things he's been able to successfully eat without getting sick are made of pure sugar (examples she gave were cotton candy and dum dums). He can't even be near people with food on their breath. So he just now started being able to attend school by sitting in a tiny room with a window into the classroom and participating via facetime/ipad. Pretty crazy, I can't imagine how hard that would be!

Ugh! That's so sad. Tugs at my heart...

[sapphyre0702]

Apr 30, 2015 13:28:51 GMT -5 belle0720 said:

I went to school with a girl who now has a son that is allergic to nearly all food. Something like his body can't digest the proteins in food and the only things he's been able to successfully eat without getting sick are made of pure sugar (examples she gave were cotton candy and dum dums). He can't even be near people with food on their breath. So he just now started being able to attend school by sitting in a tiny room with a window into the classroom and participating via facetime/ipad. Pretty crazy, I can't imagine how hard that would be!

Out of curiosity what does he eat to stay nourished? How terrible!

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sapphyre0702 I didn't either but it makes sense to me! I learned something new that day thanks to my pregnancy "disability" letting me board early.
@demanda88 - SW first class, I love that! While I certainly don't think pregnancy is a disability, I fully took advantage of getting to sit in row 1/2 on my SW flights this year!

[mrsmonogrammed]

Apr 30, 2015 12:33:16 GMT -5 @kej0004 said:

Apr 30, 2015 11:21:53 GMT -5 pbubblegum said:

Mine is a little weird. I think it's selfish to be buried in a cemetery. Think about all the wasted land and think about all the people that will fill up those plots when it could be used for other purposes. There won't be any more room for everyone years to come. There are other, more sustainable ways to honour our loved ones.
Not sure but this was on my mind recently.

As creepy as this sounds, I'm totally on board with using my family's ashes to make diamonds. It's pretty expensive, but then at least you get some pretty legit family heirlooms. All the leftover ashes can just be sprinkled somewhere.

"Here sweetie, I'm passing along these earrings made out of grandma and grandpa..."

Nope nope nope. Nope-topus all over this!! My H had a young cousin (21) pass away in a motorcycle accident 2 years ago and his mom and sister both have necklaces/rings with his ashes in them...nooooooo thank you. I understand being cremated, but please do not wear your family members after they pass. That's even worse than Angelina Jolie and that vile of blood. Super creepy to me.

I guess to each their own, but I would be SO grossed out if a family heirloom diamond made out of someone's grandma was set in like an e-ring and given to unsuspecting me!

[belle0720]

Apr 30, 2015 13:35:49 GMT -5 sapphyre0702 said:

Apr 30, 2015 13:28:51 GMT -5 belle0720 said:

I went to school with a girl who now has a son that is allergic to nearly all food. Something like his body can't digest the proteins in food and the only things he's been able to successfully eat without getting sick are made of pure sugar (examples she gave were cotton candy and dum dums). He can't even be near people with food on their breath. So he just now started being able to attend school by sitting in a tiny room with a window into the classroom and participating via facetime/ipad. Pretty crazy, I can't imagine how hard that would be!

Out of curiosity what does he eat to stay nourished? How terrible!

I think he receives some sort of formula through a feeding tube.

[megd893]

I've found it! mrskblack11, wormgerm, @badwolf321, @kej0004, Widget123,pbubblegum, @jemomma

Be aware this is a Huffington Post article about dildos if you're going to open it at work!

"The erotically-shaped urn is part of "21 Grams," a memory box devised by Sturkenboom to help grieving people feel the presence of their loved ones."

I can't make this shit up!

[mrsmonogrammed]

@kej0004 I suppose I see your point, maybe there's just the "ick" factor I don't think I could get over....
Here's a pic of the girl's ring and necklace...1st I don't think they're very attractive and 2nd, no true "stone" made so it's basically just ashes swirled in glass.