Well I think we kicked this off a day early, but I thought maybe we could salvage @leenziepop's thread and move the discussion over here. It doesn't sound like anyone is planning on taking drastic measures to evacuate baby at 37 weeks without medical need, but to get this party started, at what point would you be ok with starting some form of induction?
I fully intend to start taking Evening Primrose Oil in an attempt to start labor after I pass the 39 week mark. And I'm scheduled for an "eviction" pre-natal massage at 39 + 3.
Post by islandgirl14 on May 14, 2015 9:42:50 GMT -5
As uncomfortable as I am, and as much as I'd love baby out NOW, I know he needs to keep cooking as long as possible! That being said, I would not be comfortable with anything before 39 weeks I think.
I don't understand the thought process behind inducing a mom early simply because her baby is measuring 'big'. Statistically, 50% of babies will be larger than average, that's how it works.
Unless there's a medical reason for mom or baby, I side eye those decisions. HARD.
Post by bendherova on May 14, 2015 10:07:16 GMT -5
As for your original question, dogmama22, my OBs rec that I not go past 41w bc of my AMA status, so I'd say 41 weeks is where I'd feel comfortable. I'd be open to it earlier for medical reasons, obvi.
I don't understand the thought process behind inducing a mom early simply because her baby is measuring 'big'. Statistically, 50% of babies will be larger than average, that's how it works.
Unless there's a medical reason for mom or baby, I side eye those decisions. HARD.
Yes. Yes. Yes!!! Even if your baby is suspected to weigh 8 pounds at 37 weeks - their lungs or other organs could still need some time to develop. You just never know! So you have a larger baby to push out - so what?! As long as they are healthy I would gladly push out a 10 pounder!
Yup! Granted this was decades ago, but my mom had a scheduled C-section with me a week early per the doctor's request (don't know why), and my lungs had not yet finished developing, and I had to be on a monitor. It's amazing what that last week can do!
I'll probably start doing to silly old wives tale stuff once I reach 39 weeks. Nothing hardcore but the little things to get my body geared up are fine with me. I want to avoid induction if possible so pass the pineapple and hot sauce while I do squats around the block after I finish having sex with my husband.
I'm not pro early induction for non-medical reasons. I think it is just asking for a harder labor because your body isn't ready. Also, generally speaking, gestation is pretty much a constant of mother nature I'm not going to mess with.
Babies are bigger these days, that's just our environment. I do not like how pro-induction/c-section etc. the medical profession has gotten and don't entirely get it. I have one friend who is an MD who explained part of it is due to so many moms not taking good care of themselves or their fetuses; the babies are healthier out than in. Which is sad.
A friend's sister-in-law chose induction at 37 weeks for no reason other than that is when it was convenient for her mom to come visit for a week. No extreme circumstances, the mom was a four-hour flight away and they just decided that week was best. I judged that hard and couldn't believe the doctor actually went along with it.
I'll probably start doing to silly old wives tale stuff once I reach 39 weeks. Nothing hardcore but the little things to get my body geared up are fine with me. I want to avoid induction if possible so pass the pineapple and hot sauce while I do squats around the block after I finish having sex with my husband.
This! I want to meet this guy but yes, I want him in there as long as possible and am expecting to go over (FTM, family history). So as soon as 39 weeks hit, every old wive's tale in the book will be used. If only so I feel like I'm doing something.
Also, there's a mom on TD who has started taking Primrose Oil somewhere between 35-36w and I want to smack her through the computer.
I saw that too! I lurk over there for my daily laugh, but that one just made me mad. It's fine though - her doctor is "ok" with baby coming any time now.
I'm not pro early induction for non-medical reasons. I think it is just asking for a harder labor because your body isn't ready. Also, generally speaking, gestation is pretty much a constant of mother nature I'm not going to mess with.
Babies are bigger these days, that's just our environment. I do not like how pro-induction/c-section etc. the medical profession has gotten and don't entirely get it. I have one friend who is an MD who explained part of it is due to so many moms not taking good care of themselves or their fetuses; the babies are healthier out than in. Which is sad.
A friend's sister-in-law chose induction at 37 weeks for no reason other than that is when it was convenient for her mom to come visit for a week. No extreme circumstances, the mom was a four-hour flight away and they just decided that week was best. I judged that hard and couldn't believe the doctor actually went along with it.
I guess I'm not understanding the reason why any of the 37 vs. 39 weeks is deemed an unpopular opinion. Again, I haven't seen anyone here argue the fact that an ideal delivery would happen closer to 40 weeks. Also, the comment that there are so many babies who are healthier out than in and it's through the fault of their mothers is downright offensive. There are many medical reasons for babies coming early, and that generalization is just about as offensive as telling loss moms that they miscarried because they were too stressed out.
Post by emilyzemily on May 14, 2015 11:08:21 GMT -5
I'm not even going to comment on the whole babys coming early saga. We have a fair few June mummas who's babies have come early and I have too much respect for them to keep bringing up this subject. I'm a little shocked the UO thread has been created just to carry on the shit show from yesterday!
Regarding the dog rescued from a car. I've seen that story and think the man is a hero. I certainly dont think he was trying to gain hero status by rescuing the dog. Personally, if I saw a dog shut in a car on a hot say I wouldn't think twice about smashing the window and getting the dog out, not to try and "be the hero" purely to save the dogs life. It's not the mans fault the papers quoted he is a war veteran, to me he's just a good guy who saved a dogs life and the fact he's facing jail is disgusting.
A friend's sister-in-law chose induction at 37 weeks for no reason other than that is when it was convenient for her mom to come visit for a week. No extreme circumstances, the mom was a four-hour flight away and they just decided that week was best. I judged that hard and couldn't believe the doctor actually went along with it.
Now I don't know this friend's SIL situation, but you never know what compelling reasons people have for inducing for convenience. What about the first time single mom that needs all the support she can get and it just so happens to be at 38 weeks instead of 39? What about the military wife who wants the father to meet the baby before his deployment? Or the woman who is about to lose health insurance prior to reaching 39 weeks? I just hope that people who judge and side-eye realize there are situations other than health reasons for which it makes sense to that individual to make some of these decisions that you might not be privy to.
The fact that we have literally started another fucking thread that continues to talk about this blows my fucking mind. We ALL agree that it's best to let babies cook for as long as possible. We ALL agree that no one here is trying to jump start labor early. We ALL agree on that so for fucks sake let it go. All I think when I read this shit is how shitty it makes our precious premie moms feel.
I agree. I'm to the point where I'm like, "Do whatever the fuck you want with YOUR baby and YOUR body!" You wanna be induced early? Fine. You wanna do whatever you can to get baby out early? Whatever. Is it MY baby to worry about? Hell no. Do your thing. Idgaf. You wanna "side eye" people for doing these things? Cool. It probably won't change anything so you're wasting your time.
Guess my UO is that I really don't care what other people decide to do with their bodies and their babies. I honestly pass no judgement & it really doesn't bother me. It's not my pregnancy or labor to deal with.
I'm not even going to comment on the whole babys coming early saga. We have a fair few June mummas who's babies have come early and I have too much respect for them to keep bringing up this subject. I'm a little shocked the UO thread has been created just to carry on the shit show from yesterday!
Regarding the dog rescued from a car. I've seen that story and think the man is a hero. I certainly dont think he was trying to gain hero status by rescuing the dog. Personally, if I saw a dog shut in a car on a hot say I wouldn't think twice about smashing the window and getting the dog out, not to try and "be the hero" purely to save the dogs life. It's not the mans fault the papers quoted he is a war veteran, to me he's just a good guy who saved a dogs life and the fact he's facing jail is disgusting.
I don't know if this dog was actually in danger or not or what this guy's motivation was--I wasn't there. I do know multiple people that have been berated or otherwise harassed for leaving a dog in the car when the dog was in no danger. My husband included. I just think more people have been egged on to go to extremes by the praise they get on social media for "saving" animals that may not have been in danger in the first place. This story is just the most recent example I could find.
Any dog left in a car on a warm day is immediately in danger. Even if the temperature is only 20celsius outside, the car is up to 45celcius. To regulate their temperature dogs pant and in a small enclosed car a dog cannot get the air it needs to keep their body temperature to a safe level. Even just one minute is not safe to leave a dog alone in a car and I don't understand why people don't get this.
Post by sidneyvicious on May 14, 2015 11:41:12 GMT -5
Dogs are in danger even when it's not a hot day. According to the American Veterinary Medical Association, a car can get up to 110 degrees inside even though it is only 70 degrees out that day. So many dogs and so many babies die in our area throughout the year, and we have a lot of vigilantes who will do what it takes to help. I appreciate them, and our community appreciates them as well.
As far as the media....yeah. We had a headline last week that said something like, "Sheriff's Deputy Helps Deliver Wife's Baby in Back of Car." WTF?! The guy was driving his wife to their birth center, but the baby came quickly, so they pulled over. Why does the fact that the husband is a cop make it into the headline? "WOMAN Delivers Baby in Back of Car" would have been more appropriate.
I feel like a real dick for being this way but I'm bummed at how little our registry has been used. Shower is in 2 days and I feel paniced about how much shopping we have to do afterwards. Financially we're fine. That's why we waited for a while before we started trying. But I put so much energy in to that damn registry and, just like our wedding registry, it's mostly untouched. I'm grateful that we have been gifted the glider, crib, and mattress from my in-laws and yesterday I came home to see my mom had sent us the carseat. Thank you! That's awesome! But... I'm expecting 5,000 teddy bears, monogrammed blankets, and baby clothes from everyone else at the shower. What do you do with a billion bears?!
Can someone please explain to me how in the flying FUCK does someone "forget" their child in a car?! This 100% blows my mind and I call bullshit every time I hear it. There was a lady that works at the States Attorneys Office here in FL who's 16-month-old died because she left her in the hot car. I'm not sure if she "forgot" her or not, but seriously?! It's like the past few years some parents become a whole new level of stupid when it gets hot outside! I just don't get it!
I feel like a real dick for being this way but I'm bummed at how little our registry has been used. Shower is in 2 days and I feel paniced about how much shopping we have to do afterwards. Financially we're fine. That's why we waited for a while before we started trying. But I put so much energy in to that damn registry and, just like our wedding registry, it's mostly untouched. I'm grateful that we have been gifted the glider, crib, and mattress from my in-laws and yesterday I came home to see my mom had sent us the carseat. Thank you! That's awesome! But... I'm expecting 5,000 teddy bears, monogrammed blankets, and baby clothes from everyone else at the shower. What do you do with a billion bears?!
I'm an asshole, aren't I?
No....people push you to make them, so I get it.
However, SO many people (myself included) are last minute shoppers, so I bet you'll get more off your registry that you think right now.
I feel like a real dick for being this way but I'm bummed at how little our registry has been used. Shower is in 2 days and I feel paniced about how much shopping we have to do afterwards. Financially we're fine. That's why we waited for a while before we started trying. But I put so much energy in to that damn registry and, just like our wedding registry, it's mostly untouched. I'm grateful that we have been gifted the glider, crib, and mattress from my in-laws and yesterday I came home to see my mom had sent us the carseat. Thank you! That's awesome! But... I'm expecting 5,000 teddy bears, monogrammed blankets, and baby clothes from everyone else at the shower. What do you do with a billion bears?!
I'm an asshole, aren't I?
This is why I never did a registry. I was NOT about to spend all that time and energy because I knew a good portion wouldn't be purchased. DH & I got ALL the big stuff ourselves. We literally got clothes, blankets and random things from Family and Friends. We didn't even get diapers for goodness sake.
I'm not even going to comment on the whole babys coming early saga. We have a fair few June mummas who's babies have come early and I have too much respect for them to keep bringing up this subject. I'm a little shocked the UO thread has been created just to carry on the shit show from yesterday!
Regarding the dog rescued from a car. I've seen that story and think the man is a hero. I certainly dont think he was trying to gain hero status by rescuing the dog. Personally, if I saw a dog shut in a car on a hot say I wouldn't think twice about smashing the window and getting the dog out, not to try and "be the hero" purely to save the dogs life. It's not the mans fault the papers quoted he is a war veteran, to me he's just a good guy who saved a dogs life and the fact he's facing jail is disgusting.
I don't know if this dog was actually in danger or not or what this guy's motivation was--I wasn't there. I do know multiple people that have been berated or otherwise harassed for leaving a dog in the car when the dog was in no danger. My husband included. I just think more people have been egged on to go to extremes by the praise they get on social media for "saving" animals that may not have been in danger in the first place. This story is just the most recent example I could find.
If your husband has been berated for leaving his dog in the car, your husband deserved it. DO NOT LOCK LIVING CREATURES IN A CAR.
I'm not pro early induction for non-medical reasons. I think it is just asking for a harder labor because your body isn't ready. Also, generally speaking, gestation is pretty much a constant of mother nature I'm not going to mess with.
Babies are bigger these days, that's just our environment. I do not like how pro-induction/c-section etc. the medical profession has gotten and don't entirely get it. I have one friend who is an MD who explained part of it is due to so many moms not taking good care of themselves or their fetuses; the babies are healthier out than in. Which is sad.
A friend's sister-in-law chose induction at 37 weeks for no reason other than that is when it was convenient for her mom to come visit for a week. No extreme circumstances, the mom was a four-hour flight away and they just decided that week was best. I judged that hard and couldn't believe the doctor actually went along with it.
I guess I'm not understanding the reason why any of the 37 vs. 39 weeks is deemed an unpopular opinion. Again, I haven't seen anyone here argue the fact that an ideal delivery would happen closer to 40 weeks. Also, the comment that there are so many babies who are healthier out than in and it's through the fault of their mothers is downright offensive. There are many medical reasons for babies coming early, and that generalization is just about as offensive as telling loss moms that they miscarried because they were too stressed out.
You're right, I overly generalized to the point of misinterpretation. I (and my MD friend) were talking drug babies, moms who don't even attempt to control known issues like GD, etc. There is a LOT of that, at least where we're at, and I stand by my statement in that regard. Obviously medical problems out of control despite best efforts is a completely different thing, but that is not what I'm talking about. I don't judge for medical reasons, I'd be pissed at anyone who judged me if I end up having an early induction in the next few weeks because my GD gets out of control or placenta breaks down or I measure at a 14-pound baby tomorrow. Or told me I miscarried because of stress, in which case I'd point them to the research that shows no correlation with that and cut them out of my life because nobody needs that kind of bs. That wasn't where I was going with the comment.
I actually make a point of telling our preemie moms how awesome they are because they HAVE done everything, above and beyond, that they can for their LOs, and obviously our loss moms have too.
@thepalindromicone Normally I'm of that mindset and I know, there could be a multitude of reasons otherwise. Not making a sweeping generalization there. Single moms etc. I get it. That was not this case with respect to what she disclosed, she was very blase about telling her SIL that she was doing it so her mom could be there as well as her husband. Who knows. Given the facts I know, in this case, I judged.
ETA: I finally found yesterday's thread. Hadn't read it, didn't know I was beating a dead horse. Lesson learned, read more carefully! Sincerely, though, hope I haven't offended anyone. Not my intent. I think we're all on the same page though.
I feel like a real dick for being this way but I'm bummed at how little our registry has been used. Shower is in 2 days and I feel paniced about how much shopping we have to do afterwards. Financially we're fine. That's why we waited for a while before we started trying. But I put so much energy in to that damn registry and, just like our wedding registry, it's mostly untouched. I'm grateful that we have been gifted the glider, crib, and mattress from my in-laws and yesterday I came home to see my mom had sent us the carseat. Thank you! That's awesome! But... I'm expecting 5,000 teddy bears, monogrammed blankets, and baby clothes from everyone else at the shower. What do you do with a billion bears?!
I'm an asshole, aren't I?
Step away from your registry until your shower, and I think you will be pleasantly surprised. 99 percent of my registry gifts were purchased within 4 hours of my shower.
wormgerm work the returns system. Carters clothes ASAP because they change inventory so quickly. Target you can return up to $75/year without a receipt if you don't get gift receipts.
If you don't want to read the article, the gist is that an Army veteran smashed a car window to "save" a dog. ETA: and got arrested for trespassing.
Here are my UOs:
1. I'm tired of people with hero complexes "saving" animals from hot cars all the time. Sometimes it is legit, but most of the time I think people just get a hard-on for "saving the day" and getting to lecture people about their lives.
2. What does this dude being an Army veteran have to do with this story? It annoys me that any time a vet does anything, we have to categorize them as such. Whether it's "Army vet arrested on for drug trafficking" or "Former Marine donates life savings to battered women's shelter", I don't really see how their status as a veteran is relevant...
Seriously, WTF. They have earned the right to have veteran in there title. They went and served their country and contributed to our freedom.
As someone who lives in California where it's super hot this whole thing bugs me. It is considered animal abuse to leave a dog in a hot car. That's a crime. You would break the window if it was a child.
Dogs are in danger even when it's not a hot day. According to the American Veterinary Medical Association, a car can get up to 110 degrees inside even though it is only 70 degrees out that day. So many dogs and so many babies die in our area throughout the year, and we have a lot of vigilantes who will do what it takes to help. I appreciate them, and our community appreciates them as well.
As far as the media....yeah. We had a headline last week that said something like, "Sheriff's Deputy Helps Deliver Wife's Baby in Back of Car." WTF?! The guy was driving his wife to their birth center, but the baby came quickly, so they pulled over. Why does the fact that the husband is a cop make it into the headline? "WOMAN Delivers Baby in Back of Car" would have been more appropriate.
I'm going to say this first that it is not my opinion or that I'm in agreement with it. However, if my editor or professor in journalism school would have heard "Woman delivers baby in Back of Car" rather than "Sheriff's Deputy Helps Deliver Wife's Baby in Back of Car" they would have told the writer that the title needed to be better. People weren't going to be "hooked" with that. It wouldn't "sell" as well. It shouldn't be that way.
I agree that this is how journalism works. It's sad that the truth gets set aside in order to hook people. This particular headline is misleading. It makes it sound as if a random cop came along and saved the day. This was the baby's dad! I work in a field where the events of the day are regularly reported in the media, so I shouldn't be surprised anymore at how often and how much facts are skewed in order to draw people in, but it still gets under my skin!
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