I sincerely apologize. I have all the respect in the world for our preemie moms. I know each one of them did all they could to keep their babies cooking as long as possible and are continuing to do their very best to care for their LOs now. The only reason I started this thread was to remove the discussion from the celebration thread because I thought it was really sad that it was hijacked for this argument. I know we have mamas struggling right now to keep their LOs in and I wanted them to be able to celebrate a milestone on the other thread and be able to skip this conversation since it has been upsetting for many.
If your husband has been berated for leaving his dog in the car, your husband deserved it. DO NOT LOCK LIVING CREATURES IN A CAR.
My husband had the cops called on him to Home Depot, during the winter (which isn't cold in south Alabama...it was about 60 F outside), parked in the covered lumber loading zone, with the car running and air on, parking break on, doors locked (he had the key fob with him to unlock once he was done), while he was immediately inside the doors discussing/paying for wood about 20 feet away. He could see the dogs. Instead of being a rational person and asking in the store, this lady called the police who proceeded to show up and laugh in her face. How exactly were my dogs in danger?
This isn't the same situation at all. In that case, I believe she overreacted. If it was clear the car was running and the AC was on, she should've left it alone.
The problem is when they're being locked in HOT, non-running cars with NO AC. In these cases, hell yeah, something needs to be done.
If your husband has been berated for leaving his dog in the car, your husband deserved it. DO NOT LOCK LIVING CREATURES IN A CAR.
My husband had the cops called on him to Home Depot, during the winter (which isn't cold in south Alabama...it was about 60 F outside), parked in the covered lumber loading zone, with the car running and air on, parking break on, doors locked (he had the key fob with him to unlock once he was done), while he was immediately inside the doors discussing/paying for wood about 20 feet away. He could see the dogs. Instead of being a rational person and asking in the store, this lady called the police who proceeded to show up and laugh in her face. How exactly were my dogs in danger?
On a 60 degree day, the car can still reach degrees of around 100. As a woman, I would not hesitate to call the police to check it out rather than try to confront someone myself. I would risk being laughed at if it meant potentially saving a dog's life. Sorry your husband is butthurt, but the woman did the right thing. Living creatures should never be locked in vehicles.
Post by caseyathebat on May 14, 2015 12:11:58 GMT -5
I gave birth to my now super smart 8 year old. At 39 weeks via csection. He was breech with his head stuck in my ribs and facing my back. I never questioned it because I trust my Dr. He was fully developed and got a great Apgar score. He came in weighting 7 pounds 11 ounces. This little guy will be coming at 39 weeks as well because that's when my Dr. Feels is the best time for my repeat csection. Babys come early and they come late. I think we have beat the subject to a pulp. It's an offensive subject to all the moms with early babes.
My husband had the cops called on him to Home Depot, during the winter (which isn't cold in south Alabama...it was about 60 F outside), parked in the covered lumber loading zone, with the car running and air on, parking break on, doors locked (he had the key fob with him to unlock once he was done), while he was immediately inside the doors discussing/paying for wood about 20 feet away. He could see the dogs. Instead of being a rational person and asking in the store, this lady called the police who proceeded to show up and laugh in her face. How exactly were my dogs in danger?
I guess what I don't understand about this entire topic is why bring your dog with you anywhere if you are just planning to leave it in the car? Did the dog really have to ride to home Depot with your DH? Would he have been okay being left at home? I guess I just don't get it.
My mom & step-dad take their ankle biters every where with them. Now, if they know they're going somewhere for an extended period and the dogs can't go in with them, they won't take them. There have been a few times where they ran into the gas station or fast food restaurant (for a to go order) & left them in the car WITH THE AC ON & I see nothing wrong with it. They even leave a small bowl of water on the back floor board when they go in, even if it's for less than 5 minutes.
sully326 I don't know if there is anything sadder to me than when a parent leaves his/her child in the car accidentally. It's happened here several times through the past, eh, 4-5 years, and I just cannot imagine the pain of being that parent or the spouse.
I can see how it could happen, though, and I think that's why I find it so incredibly sad. When I'm driving with DD, I always leave my bags in the back with her. DD's never been a quiet (lolololol) car rider, so it's not been a possibility for me to forget she's back there, but just. in. case.
Another thing we've done is that DH and I call each other (whoever gets to it first) to see how daycare drop-off went for the day. I wish the school would take the initiative, especially for the infants, to call if a kiddo doesn't show up without notice, but they do not.
On a 60 degree day, the car can still reach degrees of around 100. As a woman, I would not hesitate to call the police to check it out rather than try to confront someone myself. I would risk being laughed at if it meant potentially saving a dog's life. Sorry your husband is butthurt, but the woman did the right thing. Living creatures should never be locked in vehicles.
Are you being serious right now? They had the air on. They were probably chilling in the 70 deg air, listening to Zac Brown Band, and enjoying looking out the window and smiling at the people walking by. They were in literally no danger.
And neither of us are butthurt, we just laugh about it... like the police did when they showed up. It was clearly nonsensical and a direct result of the insane amount of media coverage this gets. This woman saw dogs in a car and freaked out before her brain could remind her that it wasn't even hot and they were in the shade.
*******stuck in quote box.********* I am a hundred percent dead serious. She had no way of knowing what the temperature was inside that car and erred on the side of caution. I'm glad you think it's funny. I don't happen to think it's funny at all and wouldn't be surprised if it happens again.
The fact that we have literally started another fucking thread that continues to talk about this blows my fucking mind. We ALL agree that it's best to let babies cook for as long as possible. We ALL agree that no one here is trying to jump start labor early. We ALL agree on that so for fucks sake let it go. All I think when I read this shit is how shitty it makes our precious premie moms feel.
Valid point. My apologies to anyone who may have been hurt by my post. I think it's pretty clear where the argument is coming from and that it's referring specifically to people who are eager to get their babies out, which also isn't fair to the preemie moms.
sully326 I don't know if there is anything sadder to me than when a parent leaves his/her child in the car accidentally. It's happened here several times through the past, eh, 4-5 years, and I just cannot imagine the pain of being that parent or the spouse.
I can see how it could happen, though, and I think that's why I find it so incredibly sad. When I'm driving with DD, I always leave my bags in the back with her. DD's never been a quiet (lolololol) car rider, so it's not been a possibility for me to forget she's back there, but just. in. case.
Another thing we've done is that DH and I call each other (whoever gets to it first) to see how daycare drop-off went for the day. I wish the school would take the initiative, especially for the infants, to call if a kiddo doesn't show up without notice, but they do not.
I guess that's my thing. I just DON'T understand how it can happen. I have never, EVER forgotten DS was with me. If he's awake and talking or asleep and silent, I KNOW he's there. I put him there. I've been stressed beyond belief before, to the point where I even forgot where I was going once, but NEVER forgotten my child. I just can't comprehend it. Makes no sense to me.
Dogs are in danger even when it's not a hot day. According to the American Veterinary Medical Association, a car can get up to 110 degrees inside even though it is only 70 degrees out that day. So many dogs and so many babies die in our area throughout the year, and we have a lot of vigilantes who will do what it takes to help. I appreciate them, and our community appreciates them as well.
As far as the media....yeah. We had a headline last week that said something like, "Sheriff's Deputy Helps Deliver Wife's Baby in Back of Car." WTF?! The guy was driving his wife to their birth center, but the baby came quickly, so they pulled over. Why does the fact that the husband is a cop make it into the headline? "WOMAN Delivers Baby in Back of Car" would have been more appropriate.
I'm going to say this first that it is not my opinion or that I'm in agreement with it. However, if my editor or professor in journalism school would have heard "Woman delivers baby in Back of Car" rather than "Sheriff's Deputy Helps Deliver Wife's Baby in Back of Car" they would have told the writer that the title needed to be better. People weren't going to be "hooked" with that. It wouldn't "sell" as well. It shouldn't be that way.
badwolf321 you just read my mind! my DH is a writer and i was just going to reply wow how fucking boring if every headline was NOT descriptive. they would have failed journalism school!
I gave birth to my now super smart 8 year old. At 39 weeks via csection. He was breech with his head stuck in my ribs and facing my back. I never questioned it because I trust my Dr. He was fully developed and got a great Apgar score. He came in weighting 7 pounds 11 ounces. This little guy will be coming at 39 weeks as well because that's when my Dr. Feels is the best time for my repeat csection. Babys come early and they come late. I think we have beat the subject to a pulp. It's an offensive subject to all the moms with early babes.
you have valid medical reasons for delivery at 39w. no one has said anything in opposition to a delivery for those reasons.
sully326 I don't know if there is anything sadder to me than when a parent leaves his/her child in the car accidentally. It's happened here several times through the past, eh, 4-5 years, and I just cannot imagine the pain of being that parent or the spouse.
I can see how it could happen, though, and I think that's why I find it so incredibly sad. When I'm driving with DD, I always leave my bags in the back with her. DD's never been a quiet (lolololol) car rider, so it's not been a possibility for me to forget she's back there, but just. in. case.
Another thing we've done is that DH and I call each other (whoever gets to it first) to see how daycare drop-off went for the day. I wish the school would take the initiative, especially for the infants, to call if a kiddo doesn't show up without notice, but they do not.
I guess that's my thing. I just DON'T understand how it can happen. I have never, EVER forgotten DS was with me. If he's awake and talking or asleep and silent, I KNOW he's there. I put him there. I've been stressed beyond belief before, to the point where I even forgot where I was going once, but NEVER forgotten my child. I just can't comprehend it. Makes no sense to me.
There are experiences that I've never had, and don't think I ever will, yet I can conceive of how it could/would happen. I've never (yet) forgotten where I was going, yet I can see how that could happen.
To tie two pieces of this thread together (ha), DH has forgotten our dog in the car sometimes. Not for a long period of time, but where he's come home, taken everything and DD out of the car, stood at the counter sorting mail for a few minutes, and I'm all "Uh, DH? Are you getting P out of the car, or should I?" And, he's genuinely surprised that he forgot the (awake, whining, slobbery) dog.
Not a kid, but a living, noisy creature who one would *think* it would be impossible to forget.
I gave birth to my now super smart 8 year old. At 39 weeks via csection. He was breech with his head stuck in my ribs and facing my back. I never questioned it because I trust my Dr. He was fully developed and got a great Apgar score. He came in weighting 7 pounds 11 ounces. This little guy will be coming at 39 weeks as well because that's when my Dr. Feels is the best time for my repeat csection. Babys come early and they come late. I think we have beat the subject to a pulp. It's an offensive subject to all the moms with early babes.
you have valid medical reasons for delivery at 39w. no one has said anything in opposition to a delivery for those reasons.
I agree with you. I was just adding my story and saying I think enough is enough. 39 weeks is considered full term. I was talking about the moms who have already delivered.
Are you being serious right now? They had the air on. They were probably chilling in the 70 deg air, listening to Zac Brown Band, and enjoying looking out the window and smiling at the people walking by. They were in literally no danger.
And neither of us are butthurt, we just laugh about it... like the police did when they showed up. It was clearly nonsensical and a direct result of the insane amount of media coverage this gets. This woman saw dogs in a car and freaked out before her brain could remind her that it wasn't even hot and they were in the shade.
*******stuck in quote box.********* I am a hundred percent dead serious. She had no way of knowing what the temperature was inside that car and erred on the side of caution. I'm glad you think it's funny. I don't happen to think it's funny at all and wouldn't be surprised if it happens again.
i was just wondering the same thing. how do people outside the car know when your AC is on? and i also have another stupid question. in my neighborhood i would never consider leaving the AC on because that would mean i would have to leave my keys in the ignition unattended and am i the only one who would also be worried my dogs and my car would be stolen? i guess for everyone leaving AC on you must live in nice neighborhoods. in los angeles no way in hell am i leaving my keys in the car walking away for 5 minutes. that would mean good by beloved doggies and car.
I guess that's my thing. I just DON'T understand how it can happen. I have never, EVER forgotten DS was with me. If he's awake and talking or asleep and silent, I KNOW he's there. I put him there. I've been stressed beyond belief before, to the point where I even forgot where I was going once, but NEVER forgotten my child. I just can't comprehend it. Makes no sense to me.
There are experiences that I've never had, and don't think I ever will, yet I can conceive of how it could/would happen. I've never (yet) forgotten where I was going, yet I can see how that could happen.
To tie two pieces of this thread together (ha), DH has forgotten our dog in the car sometimes. Not for a long period of time, but where he's come home, taken everything and DD out of the car, stood at the counter sorting mail for a few minutes, and I'm all "Uh, DH? Are you getting P out of the car, or should I?" And, he's genuinely surprised that he forgot the (awake, whining, slobbery) dog.
Not a kid, but a living, noisy creature who one would *think* it would be impossible to forget.
It does happen that people forget, with children and with animals, and quite often we never know the reasons how or why it happened because those facts are overshadowed by the tragedy that has occurred. I think that's why the community is so passionate about being diligent when they see a potential problem.
sidneyvicious Absolutely. It's part of the reason that she (the dog) stays home when temps start warming up, instead of getting to go with DH on the afternoon pick-up runs.
So for those who would leave a dog or animal in the car with AC on and car running - would you do the same for your baby? I am genuinely curious of people's opinions on this because it is a great debate between MH and I.
For me, I would absolutely never do it. And it is a difficult thing to have to unload your kids from the car even if it is just to run into the store very quickly or pick up some take out. I am too afraid of what could happen, and we live in a nice neighborhood. I have a key fob for my car, but if the fob goes farther from 5 feet away from the car it turns off - which I think is fairly common in a lot of vehicles. So keys would have to be in the car. Not a chance!
MH thinks that if it's a nice day (under 75 degrees) he can just crack a window and leave the car off if he is only going to be a few minutes. He hasn't ever done it because he knows I would kill him, but he thinks it's okay to do it.
A cracked window does absolutely nothing, and the first 30 minutes are when the temperature rises the most. Last month a six-month old was hospitalized while her dad ran into City Hall. He was gone for less than 20 minutes, and the temp here was under 80 degrees.
So for those who would leave a dog or animal in the car with AC on and car running - would you do the same for your baby? I am genuinely curious of people's opinions on this because it is a great debate between MH and I.
For me, I would absolutely never do it. And it is a difficult thing to have to unload your kids from the car even if it is just to run into the store very quickly or pick up some take out. I am too afraid of what could happen, and we live in a nice neighborhood. I have a key fob for my car, but if the fob goes farther from 5 feet away from the car it turns off - which I think is fairly common in a lot of vehicles. So keys would have to be in the car. Not a chance!
MH thinks that if it's a nice day (under 75 degrees) he can just crack a window and leave the car off if he is only going to be a few minutes. He hasn't ever done it because he knows I would kill him, but he thinks it's okay to do it.
In some states, it is actually illegal now. Some places have laws on the books that say if a child under age 6 is left in a car alone, outside of the parent's line of vision etc., it is child endangerment. Leading to the parent's arrest and threat of children removed from home, among other things, in some cases. Same, actually, with leaving your kid home alone. So that might change his mind.
I remember when I was sitting in the front seat long before I should have been now.. Because early 90s yo.. And my mom would run in to the gas station to pay for gas. I would sit still as stone in the car, not blink or breathe, so people would think I was a statue. LOLZ.
now that we are playing i remember. i remember when my friends dad would drive us on his errands and he would have a beer between his legs before there was such thing as MADD and laws for this weren't really enforced in our neighborhood. i also remember when my friends mom would drive us to kindergarten every morning in her old volvo smoking a cig with the windows rolled up the entire time. i would just be gagging holding my shirt over my nose. awww those were simpler times! back when UOs weren't UOs
Post by purpledaisy923 on May 14, 2015 13:32:04 GMT -5
My c-section is scheduled for 37 weeks exactly. Before anyone jumps down my throat about it, everyone's pregnancy is different. I am carrying twins. I have been seeing not only my OB, but also a Maternal fetal medicine (MFM) doctor during my entire pregnancy. The MFM doctor specializes in high risk pregnancies and deliveries including multiples. I live within 15 minutes of a big city and this doctor is well recommended in this area for multiples. I have discussed my delivery options with both my OB and my MFM doctor extensively. They agree that twins in particular benefit more as outside babies at 37 weeks than as inside babies.
Reasons: I am only 5 foot 1 inch tall and I'm already carrying around at least 11 pounds worth of baby at 35 weeks. I have gained 35 pounds during this pregnancy and I've been on bed rest due to extreme back pain and pre-E since 33 weeks.
Baby B is breach and my doctors and I have decided that a c-section is the safest way to bring my twins into this world.
My MFM doctor showed me research that supports his opinion on getting twins out at 37 weeks. The mother's body really struggles to support two placentas at the same time, especially during 3rd tri. Twins born after 37 weeks tend to be deficient in many key nutrients at birth. 37 weeks seems to be the "sweet spot" for twins to be born.
I want to point out that singleton pregnancies are very different from twin pregnancies. To each their own.
Post by mrskblack11 on May 14, 2015 13:32:28 GMT -5
I would never leave my dogs in the car. I would never take them somewhere if there was a chance that I had to get out of the car without them for any reason.
I have a key fob and you can start the car and drive off without it. It beeps like crazy but it won't turn off. But I would still never leave my dogs alone in the car even with the A/C on.
Personally I don't know I could (physically) break someone's window to save a dog, but I wouldn't hesitate to call the police and/or animal control.
I also wouldn't leave my children in the car alone even with the A/C. I wouldn't feel comfortable if they were out of my sight, even for a few minutes.
I remember when I was sitting in the front seat long before I should have been now.. Because early 90s yo.. And my mom would run in to the gas station to pay for gas. I would sit still as stone in the car, not blink or breathe, so people would think I was a statue. LOLZ.
My sister and I were just talking about this! Our dad would leave us in the car with it running while he would run inside places and just tell us to unlock it when he got back. He would always tell us not to move or touch anything (probably so we didn't accidentally knock the car in gear or something). We also took it to mean that we should pretend to be statues and not move or blink. Because what kidnapper wouldn't think "wow, those must be some super life-like statues just sitting in that man's car."
Post by purpledaisy923 on May 14, 2015 14:03:30 GMT -5
@bubbs119, I did read every single UO before I posted. I realize that my post really isn't a UO. I kept my mouth shut about the convo that went on yesterday, so this was built up from that. I just wanted to get my thoughts out.
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