Do you guys wake your LOs up from a nap after a certain amount of time? I've never had this problem before, but I've heard a few people say not to let them sleep longer than 2 hours during the day. Seems weird to wake them up though. Thoughts?
Do you guys wake your LOs up from a nap after a certain amount of time? I've never had this problem before, but I've heard a few people say not to let them sleep longer than 2 hours during the day. Seems weird to wake them up though. Thoughts?
I have but not always. Her bed time is 7:30 so if she is sleeping past 6 I will wake her up. Or if she is over 2.5 hrs I will pick her up when she stirs even if she isn't awake.
Do you guys wake your LOs up from a nap after a certain amount of time? I've never had this problem before, but I've heard a few people say not to let them sleep longer than 2 hours during the day. Seems weird to wake them up though. Thoughts?
I typically don't. The only exception is if he takes a late nap and sleeps so long that it will interfere with him falling asleep for bedtime. I can't even remember the last time he had a nap last over 2 hours anyway, so I guess that's why I don't have that problem.
Post by sugahcookie01 on Jul 3, 2015 22:12:26 GMT -5
Sounds like Sleep Sense is really similar to what we did. We had a paci-dependent sleeper too. H was up every 60-90 minutes and it sucked.
We started using The Sleep Easy Solution book last Sumday and it has CHANGED MY LIFE. Henry sleeps with no paci. He gets out in his crib awake and gets himself to sleep. It's amazimg. This is for bedtime and three naps per day. He has sttn every single night since we started except for one where he needed a night feed because he didn't eat his full bedtime bottle. He's sleepimg 7:30pm-6:30am and my feet never hit the floor most nights.
Yeah. Sleep training. It's hard at first - you are SO used to calming every cry - but totally worth it.
Sounds like Sleep Sense is really similar to what we did. We had a paci-dependent sleeper too. H was up every 60-90 minutes and it sucked.
We started using The Sleep Easy Solution book last Sumday and it has CHANGED MY LIFE. Henry sleeps with no paci. He gets out in his crib awake and gets himself to sleep. It's amazimg. This is for bedtime and three naps per day. He has sttn every single night since we started except for one where he needed a night feed because he didn't eat his full bedtime bottle. He's sleepimg 7:30pm-6:30am and my feet never hit the floor most nights.
Yeah. Sleep training. It's hard at first - you are SO used to calming every cry - but totally worth it.
What is the premise of that book? I am really interested in trying something, but I am a little overwhelmed with all of the possible methods.
Sounds like Sleep Sense is really similar to what we did. We had a paci-dependent sleeper too. H was up every 60-90 minutes and it sucked.
We started using The Sleep Easy Solution book last Sumday and it has CHANGED MY LIFE. Henry sleeps with no paci. He gets out in his crib awake and gets himself to sleep. It's amazimg. This is for bedtime and three naps per day. He has sttn every single night since we started except for one where he needed a night feed because he didn't eat his full bedtime bottle. He's sleepimg 7:30pm-6:30am and my feet never hit the floor most nights.
Yeah. Sleep training. It's hard at first - you are SO used to calming every cry - but totally worth it.
What is the premise of that book? I am really interested in trying something, but I am a little overwhelmed with all of the possible methods.
Graduated extinction.
It stresses routine for bedtime as well as only using good sleep crutches (sound ,aching, dark room) and avoiding ones that are problems (a paci that falls out) to encourage self soothing. You put the baby down awake and leave, then return at set intervals to soothe. The book recommends 5, 10, 15, 20 but I wanted shorter ones. We do 3. 5, 8, 10, 12, 15 etc.
Night one he cried 20 minutes (3,5,8 check ins) but then slept through the night. Now his record is asleep in TWO minutes.
Those of you that have sleep trained for naps, did you put LO on a schedule or let them dictate it? I think his 2 biggest issues are he's a light sleeper and too facinated with the world. He really just goes until he passes out and I haven't been able to break him of nursing to sleep with me because he winds up hungry and exhausted, but won't go to sleep sooner.
Those of you that have sleep trained for naps, did you put LO on a schedule or let them dictate it? I think his 2 biggest issues are he's a light sleeper and too facinated with the world. He really just goes until he passes out and I haven't been able to break him of nursing to sleep with me because he winds up hungry and exhausted, but won't go to sleep sooner.
So the book I'm using has this chart and it's worked well for Henry so far. For a 4-6 month old, you ideally want three naps of one hour or longer. The "schedule" isn't strict - just a guideline based on when they wake up.
So our day might look like this...
Awake at 6:30 Nap 1 at 8:30 (2 hrs after waking) until 10:00 Nap 2 at 12:30 (2.5 hrs after waking) until 1:45 Nap 3 at 4:15 (2.5 hrs after waking) until 5:00
I find for Henry his last nap is his shortest. Not always a full hour. Morning nap is sometimes TWO hours.
So scheduled loosely by interval, not by time. He doesn't have "a 9am nap" - it all depends daily on when he wakes up after sleep sessions.
Post by FlutterOfYoshis on Jul 4, 2015 12:08:49 GMT -5
sugahcookie01 How often does your LO eat? I'm finding DD's need to eat every 2-2.5 hours is additionally messing with getting any sort of good long naps yet. The only time she naps very long is if she goes down soon after nursing.
sugahcookie01 How often does your LO eat? I'm finding DD's need to eat every 2-2.5 hours is additionally messing with getting any sort of good long naps yet. The only time she naps very long is if she goes down soon after nursing.
Henry eats every 3-4 hours. He's on formula so that is something to remember.
Generally our days since sleep training have been....
6:30 wake up 7:00 6-8oz 8:30-10:00 nap 11:00 6oz 12:30-1:30 nap 2:00 solid food (tablespoon or two) 2:30 6oz 4:00-5:00 nap 6:00 4oz (we give him a small bottle to drink while we eat dinner in a transitional sippy cup) 7:30 4oz during bedtime routine
He has eliminated night feeds. He had been to only one anyway, 2-3 oz. He's 18pounds so it makes sense for him.
Those of you that have sleep trained for naps, did you put LO on a schedule or let them dictate it? I think his 2 biggest issues are he's a light sleeper and too facinated with the world. He really just goes until he passes out and I haven't been able to break him of nursing to sleep with me because he winds up hungry and exhausted, but won't go to sleep sooner.
I go with wake times between naps. I always find LO only makes it 1 1/2 hr before her first and depending on when she wakes for the day and if she only naps 30 mins we could have 3 naps and potentially a very long wake time ar the end of the day or 4 naps.
Generally we fall into the same pattern of naps at 9, 12 and 3. Or something like that.
Eta: we always feed after naps. If it's only 3 naps then I do one more and 1 1/2 hr before bed.
Lurking hardcore on this thread. We're on vacation this weekend, last night it took us 3 hours to settle DS cos he was soooooooo overtired. DH is on leave, I'm back at work on Monday. We both agreed its time to sleep train DS. DH is going to help DS catch up on sleep the coming week and introduce a routine. Then the crying will start the week after. Now I'm thinking about accepting a work trip to Tokyo just so I don't have to hear him cry. Breaks mummy's heart every time.
This morning I found DS asleep on his chest. I was surprised he didn't call out to be rescued when he flipped over in tummy time position.
Post by FlutterOfYoshis on Jul 5, 2015 9:28:31 GMT -5
I wrote this in the sleep training thread, but I'll post it here too. We tried to begin sleep training in her crib last night. No swaddle cuz she's been out of one for weeks, no paci cuz I believe that's our biggest issue at the moment. We did our bedtime routine then the sleep sense sit in the room method, with occasional gentle touch and calming key phrases.
My LO went to sleep for all of 10 minutes after crying for 1.5 hours, then went for almost another 3 hours of on and off wake/sleep every couple minutes before we decided this wasn't working for her. We put her back in her rnp in our room, but we didn't give her the pacifier back. At least it wasn't all for naught: she finally slept for more than an hour at a time again. I guess we're working on pacifier weaning at least and we'll revisit sleep training in the crib when she's older.
I wrote this in the sleep training thread, but I'll post it here too. We tried to begin sleep training in her crib last night. No swaddle cuz she's been out of one for weeks, no paci cuz I believe that's our biggest issue at the moment. We did our bedtime routine then the sleep sense sit in the room method, with occasional gentle touch and calming key phrases.
My LO went to sleep for all of 10 minutes after crying for 1.5 hours, then went for almost another 3 hours of on and off wake/sleep every couple minutes before we decided this wasn't working for her. We put her back in her rnp in our room, but we didn't give her the pacifier back. At least it wasn't all for naught: she finally slept for more than an hour at a time again. I guess we're working on pacifier weaning at least and we'll revisit sleep training in the crib when she's older.
Sorry you had a rough night! Does she ever nap or sleep in the crib?
Post by FlutterOfYoshis on Jul 5, 2015 11:50:46 GMT -5
mishka29 She's slept in her crib for less than a handful of naps, but nothing consistent. That could be part of the problem here. We've tried starting her out there time after time, but she inevitably ends up in the rnp again after too many failed tries. She did manage to sleep successfully on her side in the crib the other day, but I guess that was a fluke.
I wrote this in the sleep training thread, but I'll post it here too. We tried to begin sleep training in her crib last night. No swaddle cuz she's been out of one for weeks, no paci cuz I believe that's our biggest issue at the moment. We did our bedtime routine then the sleep sense sit in the room method, with occasional gentle touch and calming key phrases.
My LO went to sleep for all of 10 minutes after crying for 1.5 hours, then went for almost another 3 hours of on and off wake/sleep every couple minutes before we decided this wasn't working for her. We put her back in her rnp in our room, but we didn't give her the pacifier back. At least it wasn't all for naught: she finally slept for more than an hour at a time again. I guess we're working on pacifier weaning at least and we'll revisit sleep training in the crib when she's older.
For us, me being in the room for longer and touching him made things worse. It was like a tease that I was THERE but not comforting him. Maybe try waiting outside the door with quick no-touch check ins?
Post by FlutterOfYoshis on Jul 5, 2015 12:37:03 GMT -5
sugahcookie01 Yeah, we noticed the occasional touch was like a tease so we stopped. Somewhere in the last 3 hours of crying, we experimented with staying longer and longer away from her instead of being in the room, and it only made her cry even more frantically. It feels like something we all need to recover from before we attempt it again (and maybe for our LO it was just too young to start for her?). We're hoping that weaning her off the pacifier now and getting her some more time in the crib before next time may help when we attempt it again later.
sugahcookie01 Yeah, we noticed the occasional touch was like a tease so we stopped. Somewhere in the last 3 hours of crying, we experimented with staying longer and longer away from her instead of being in the room, and it only made her cry even more frantically. It feels like something we all need to recover from before we attempt it again (and maybe for our LO it was just too young to start for her?). We're hoping that weaning her off the pacifier now and getting her some more time in the crib before next time may help when we attempt it again later.
Totally. Also making too many changes at once might be too hard. H was already sleeping in his crib at night so reay he just lost rocking/paci. I'm sure adding in crib transition is rough!
Yeah I agree with suga. It may have been a lot to lose at once for LO. I think you've got a good plan to regroup and try to ease back on a few things while getting her a bit more comfortable with the crib.
She also must be very used to the incline of the rnp so another possibility could be a slight prop in the crib, if you think it might help then it can gradually be reduced. Just a thought. GL!
Has sleep training helped anyone with the 45 minute intruder? DS puts himself to sleep for nearly all, but 45 minutes it's all shrieking. It's like he doesn't wake up enough to self soothe, if that makes sense? I know Gabe is one of the youngest babies so does he just grow out of it?
Has sleep training helped anyone with the 45 minute intruder? DS puts himself to sleep for nearly all, but 45 minutes it's all shrieking. It's like he doesn't wake up enough to self soothe, if that makes sense? I know Gabe is one of the youngest babies so does he just grow out of it?
Merlin suit helped us with this, but I want to transition out of it in the next few days and I'm worried I'll have this issue again.
Has sleep training helped anyone with the 45 minute intruder? DS puts himself to sleep for nearly all, but 45 minutes it's all shrieking. It's like he doesn't wake up enough to self soothe, if that makes sense? I know Gabe is one of the youngest babies so does he just grow out of it?
Merlin suit helped us with this, but I want to transition out of it in the next few days and I'm worried I'll have this issue again.
DS is actually still swaddled so not a startle reflex thing? I've tried leaving one arm out in case being swaddled is what is startling him but it doesn't seem to help.
Has sleep training helped anyone with the 45 minute intruder? DS puts himself to sleep for nearly all, but 45 minutes it's all shrieking. It's like he doesn't wake up enough to self soothe, if that makes sense? I know Gabe is one of the youngest babies so does he just grow out of it?
I'm sure it's helped some people but I'm not one of them!
We still do 30-45 min. However I guess that's not all true since the odd time she will wake and go back for an hour or two. But that rarely happens but I should attribute that to sleep training.
DS will be 4 months tomorrow. He was an okay napper before we left for vacation 2 weeks ago. He now will not nap unless in the moby and I'm walking/bouncing. I don't know if this is the 4 month sleep regression, lack of a schedule on vacation, or some combo of the two but I HAVE to fix this soon--for the both of us. For those of you who have sleep trained, how long did you give your LOs to get over the sleep regression stage before you started? Also, how did you resist picking LOs up when they were screaming? I'm really sensitive to this type of thing--plus, I feel like his sleep issues are my fault--so I know this will be hard for me.
DD started refusing naps anywhere but on me just a little after four months. This happened randomly, with no change whatsoever to her schedule or any travel. After about a week or so of that I decided we needed to fix that.
We started cry it out four days ago, and I think we're doing pretty good. I rock her in the glider and hum to her for a few minutes in her dark room to sort of give her the signal that it's nap time, then put her in her crib awake and tell her it's nap time while patting her a little. I'm doing the 'extinction' method because I find that going in and checking on her just upset her more. I watch her on the video monitor to check for signs of her settling down, namely thumb sucking. The past couple days she won't cry longer than fifteen minutes (usually around ten or less) before falling asleep.
I feel like the key for my DD was the fact that she was already sucking her thumb for comfort. And she can't lose her thumb while she's screaming.
Honestly, I'm not sure I have advice regarding being able to resist the screaming. It will get bad. Screaming bloody murder will happen. I wish someone had told me that it's normal for it to be more 'scream it out' not cry it out. For a nap, I personally wouldn't let her go more than half an hour if she wasn't showing any hints of settling (crying slowing or having pauses while DD sucks her thumb, getting less intense). Your LO might have different settling signs though.
Remember that you are doing something good for your LO's healthy sleep in the long run. He will not hate you. My DD has been noticeably happier since getting much better naps than she'd been getting on me.
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