Inspired by the ransoms thread, but I don't mind that Christmas stuff comes out so early. Christmas is my favorite holiday and it makes me smile to see lights and trees even in October. DS wanted to pick the cd for our drive today and grabbed a Christmas cd so we've been listening to that all morning.
I was just listening to Christmas music with my nieces last week. It wasn't intentional, but it didn't bother me a bit!
Inspired by the ransoms thread, but I don't mind that Christmas stuff comes out so early. Christmas is my favorite holiday and it makes me smile to see lights and trees even in October. DS wanted to pick the cd for our drive today and grabbed a Christmas cd so we've been listening to that all morning.
I start thinking about Christmas in March. DH and I are volunteers for Festival of Trees, benefitting out local children's hospital. So we have to start procuring donations early. The gala and auction are a huge deal where we live.
But... no Christmas music until AT LEAST Black Friday!
Post by icaughtfire on Jul 9, 2015 10:28:49 GMT -5
Okay, I'm ready to be flamed.
The talk of the FSU kid who punched a girl at a bar is big talk here in Florida because...Florida. I don't think he needed to punch her in the face full force as he did but that being said...
I think that as a woman, if you choose to hit a man, you cannot be shocked if he chooses to hit you back. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm not condoning a domestic violence situation, but I don't think that it should be drilled into boys & men that hitting women is unacceptable but not vice versa. No one should put their hands on anyone.
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The talk of the FSU kid who punched a girl at a bar is big talk here in Florida because...Florida. I don't think he needed to punch her in the face full force as he did but that being said...
I think that as a woman, if you choose to hit a man, you cannot be shocked if he chooses to hit you back. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm not condoning a domestic violence situation, but I don't think that it should be drilled into boys & men that hitting women is unacceptable but not vice versa. No one should put their hands on anyone.
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I kinda agree. I don't think anyone, man or woman, should hit anyone else, and a man who is assaulted by a woman has a right to defend himself.
Which does not mean he can use undue force against her.
I am not familiar with the situation, so that's as much as I think I can comment without more info.
The talk of the FSU kid who punched a girl at a bar is big talk here in Florida because...Florida. I don't think he needed to punch her in the face full force as he did but that being said...
I think that as a woman, if you choose to hit a man, you cannot be shocked if he chooses to hit you back. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm not condoning a domestic violence situation, but I don't think that it should be drilled into boys & men that hitting women is unacceptable but not vice versa. No one should put their hands on anyone.
The talk of the FSU kid who punched a girl at a bar is big talk here in Florida because...Florida. I don't think he needed to punch her in the face full force as he did but that being said...
I think that as a woman, if you choose to hit a man, you cannot be shocked if he chooses to hit you back. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm not condoning a domestic violence situation, but I don't think that it should be drilled into boys & men that hitting women is unacceptable but not vice versa. No one should put their hands on anyone.
::ducks & covers::
I don't totally disagree with you (shocking!!) Violence against anyone is wrong and shouldn't be condoned. I do think a lot of women take for granted that 99% of the population of men won't hit them back, but there is always that small majority that might.
Aside from the douchebag-ness of being a guy who hits a girl, I think that physically a lot of men are simply stronger than (most) women and run the real risk of doing serious harm. I'll take myself for example, if I hit my husband it would probably hurt and he would get annoyed. If he hit me, he could probably kill me with a good punch to the face. It's scary.
Post by icaughtfire on Jul 9, 2015 10:37:04 GMT -5
This was a debate amongst friends recently & my thoughts were definitely a UO. Some people were downright heated over it. I thought you guys would flame the shit out of me for sure.
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The talk of the FSU kid who punched a girl at a bar is big talk here in Florida because...Florida. I don't think he needed to punch her in the face full force as he did but that being said...
I think that as a woman, if you choose to hit a man, you cannot be shocked if he chooses to hit you back. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm not condoning a domestic violence situation, but I don't think that it should be drilled into boys & men that hitting women is unacceptable but not vice versa. No one should put their hands on anyone.
::ducks & covers::
I'm not familiar with the details of this story, so I can't speak to whether or not I think he used "appropriate" force when retaliating.
But in general, I agree with the sentiment. If you punch someone, you better be ready to get punched back.
Long story short, he was an FSU football player, at a bar & was pushing into a girl when trying to get a drink. She said something, pushed back, they had words & she punched him in the face. Now she was drunk & it was obvious that her punch barely grazed him but he hit her back in the face full force.
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The talk of the FSU kid who punched a girl at a bar is big talk here in Florida because...Florida. I don't think he needed to punch her in the face full force as he did but that being said...
I think that as a woman, if you choose to hit a man, you cannot be shocked if he chooses to hit you back. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm not condoning a domestic violence situation, but I don't think that it should be drilled into boys & men that hitting women is unacceptable but not vice versa. No one should put their hands on anyone.
::ducks & covers::
I see where you're going. But I'm not comfortable agreeing. This is really similar situation to Ray Rice and his fiance. She smacked him, he punched her lights out. (Disclaimer: I could not bring myself to watch the video, so I am going off of hearsay.) Should she/we not be shocked? Was she asking to be laid out? There is a factor I think is missing from your statement, and that is the inequality of/escalation of force.
The talk of the FSU kid who punched a girl at a bar is big talk here in Florida because...Florida. I don't think he needed to punch her in the face full force as he did but that being said...
I think that as a woman, if you choose to hit a man, you cannot be shocked if he chooses to hit you back. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm not condoning a domestic violence situation, but I don't think that it should be drilled into boys & men that hitting women is unacceptable but not vice versa. No one should put their hands on anyone.
::ducks & covers::
I'm not familiar with the details of this story, so I can't speak to whether or not I think he used "appropriate" force when retaliating.
But in general, I agree with the sentiment. If you punch someone, you better be ready to get punched back.
My BIL is a big guy, but if I punch him playfully, I fully understand that the chances are good I am getting hit back. I do not expect that I can be an ass to him, and then I am saved just because I have tits. That doesn't make sense to me.
ETA: It would only be in joking way, not in a angry way. I have seen him hit a tree so that he didn't hit a woman once.
Long story short, he was an FSU football player, at a bar & was pushing into a girl when trying to get a drink. She said something, pushed back, they had words & she punched him in the face. Now she was drunk & it was obvious that her punch barely grazed him but he hit her back in the face full force.
Oh shit...yeah, that's WAY too far.
However, I would expect nothing to happen to the football player, in typical FSU fashion.
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I see where you're going. But I'm not comfortable agreeing. This is really similar situation to Ray Rice and his fiance. She smacked him, he punched her lights out. (Disclaimer: I could not bring myself to watch the video, so I am going off of hearsay.) Should she/we not be shocked? Was she asking to be laid out? There is a factor I think is missing from your statement, and that is the inequality of/escalation of force.
If I remember correctly, it wasn't one smack. She was REALLY aggressive, slapping, pulling, yelling at him and he punched her after she'd been on him for a hot minute. It wasn't a quick smack followed by a punch.
BUT he could have easily restrained her given his size. So, there's that.
You're right, he could have easily restrained her and also easily knocked her out. That is the element missing here - sure, she was violent first, but he is obviously physically dominant. A punch for a punch is an escalation just based on that fact.
The talk of the FSU kid who punched a girl at a bar is big talk here in Florida because...Florida. I don't think he needed to punch her in the face full force as he did but that being said...
I think that as a woman, if you choose to hit a man, you cannot be shocked if he chooses to hit you back. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm not condoning a domestic violence situation, but I don't think that it should be drilled into boys & men that hitting women is unacceptable but not vice versa. No one should put their hands on anyone.
::ducks & covers::
I see where you're going. But I'm not comfortable agreeing. This is really similar situation to Ray Rice and his fiance. She smacked him, he punched her lights out. (Disclaimer: I could not bring myself to watch the video, so I am going off of hearsay.) Should she/we not be shocked? Was she asking to be laid out? There is a factor I think is missing from your statement, and that is the inequality of/escalation of force.
That is absolutely my issue with it too. If you have 100 pounds of muscle on someone you are bringing a gun to a knife fight if you punch them back.
And the whole self defense argument is bull shit. He did NOT fear for his life from her puny punch. He could have walked away and instead chose to retaliate ten fold.
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The talk of the FSU kid who punched a girl at a bar is big talk here in Florida because...Florida. I don't think he needed to punch her in the face full force as he did but that being said...
I think that as a woman, if you choose to hit a man, you cannot be shocked if he chooses to hit you back. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm not condoning a domestic violence situation, but I don't think that it should be drilled into boys & men that hitting women is unacceptable but not vice versa. No one should put their hands on anyone.
::ducks & covers::
I see where you're going. But I'm not comfortable agreeing. This is really similar situation to Ray Rice and his fiance. She smacked him, he punched her lights out. (Disclaimer: I could not bring myself to watch the video, so I am going off of hearsay.) Should she/we not be shocked? Was she asking to be laid out? There is a factor I think is missing from your statement, and that is the inequality of/escalation of force.
I'm not saying it's either of them were right, but I think if she chooses to hit him she has to understand there is a possibility (even if it's small) that he may retaliate. We can all hope that as a man, he will have been taught never to put his hands on a woman but the problem I have is why was she never taught not to put her hands on anyone?
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I'm not familiar with the details of this story, so I can't speak to whether or not I think he used "appropriate" force when retaliating.
But in general, I agree with the sentiment. If you punch someone, you better be ready to get punched back.
Long story short, he was an FSU football player, at a bar & was pushing into a girl when trying to get a drink. She said something, pushed back, they had words & she punched him in the face. Now she was drunk & it was obvious that her punch barely grazed him but he hit her back in the face full force.
Given those details, I would have to say he did not respond with appropriate force.
I see where you're going. But I'm not comfortable agreeing. This is really similar situation to Ray Rice and his fiance. She smacked him, he punched her lights out. (Disclaimer: I could not bring myself to watch the video, so I am going off of hearsay.) Should she/we not be shocked? Was she asking to be laid out? There is a factor I think is missing from your statement, and that is the inequality of/escalation of force.
I'm not saying it's either of them were right, but I think if she chooses to hit him she has to understand there is a possibility (even if it's small) that he may retaliate. We can all hope that as a man, he will have been taught never to put his hands on a woman but the problem I have is why was she never taught not to put her hands on anyone?
I'll add; I don't think it's just a woman vs. man debate. There are certainly women who would be physically dominant in a fight with a man, and they are not excused from the use of inappropriate force, either.
If I remember correctly, it wasn't one smack. She was REALLY aggressive, slapping, pulling, yelling at him and he punched her after she'd been on him for a hot minute. It wasn't a quick smack followed by a punch.
BUT he could have easily restrained her given his size. So, there's that.
My brothers and I were taught that it was okay to defend ourselves. I watched one time, a girl in college hit my brother across the face. He tensed, balled his fists, and grabbed her arm before she had a chance to do it again. There are ways to defend yourself without punching someone.
I think the difference is truly in defending yourself vs. retaliating. They are not the same thing.
My brothers and I were taught that it was okay to defend ourselves. I watched one time, a girl in college hit my brother across the face. He tensed, balled his fists, and grabbed her arm before she had a chance to do it again. There are ways to defend yourself without punching someone.
I think the difference is truly in defending yourself vs. retaliating. They are not the same thing.
I see where you're going. But I'm not comfortable agreeing. This is really similar situation to Ray Rice and his fiance. She smacked him, he punched her lights out. (Disclaimer: I could not bring myself to watch the video, so I am going off of hearsay.) Should she/we not be shocked? Was she asking to be laid out? There is a factor I think is missing from your statement, and that is the inequality of/escalation of force.
I'm not saying it's either of them were right, but I think if she chooses to hit him she has to understand there is a possibility (even if it's small) that he may retaliate. We can all hope that as a man, he will have been taught never to put his hands on a woman but the problem I have is why was she never taught not to put her hands on anyone?
I think this is because women are thought to be "weaker" so we don't have to be taught this. The mentality being why would it matter if we hit someone when of course it wouldn't hurt? This is a HORRIBLE way of thinking, but I think that is a big part of why.
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Post by requiressnacks on Jul 9, 2015 11:21:17 GMT -5
This is kind of a UO: I don't get the whole Tiny House craze. I watched House Hunters "Tiny House" edition and I am always left with the same three questions
1. How do you have family/friends over? (you don't?) 2. How do you have sex? does it get old doing it in a loft you can't stand up in? 3. When you or your husband rips ass, does it stink the entire place up?
I need more than 250 square feet to coexist with my husband and dog.
The talk of the FSU kid who punched a girl at a bar is big talk here in Florida because...Florida. I don't think he needed to punch her in the face full force as he did but that being said...
I think that as a woman, if you choose to hit a man, you cannot be shocked if he chooses to hit you back. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm not condoning a domestic violence situation, but I don't think that it should be drilled into boys & men that hitting women is unacceptable but not vice versa. No one should put their hands on anyone.
::ducks & covers::
The thing I hate that goes along with this is how women punch and hit men in movies for comedic effect, whereas it would definitely not be funny if a guy did it. Obviously the average female in America could not do as much damage by hitting as the average man could, but the principle is kinda crappy.
ETA: To clarify, I do not think it should be funny for a man to hit a woman. I just wish the reverse wasn't used so often as a light-hearted moment of humor when really people shouldn't be punching and hitting willy-nilly.
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