Just here because I was paged. Meningitis is a bitch. Its a great weight loss plan if you don't mind the excruciating headaches that meds don't touch and the part where yoi sleep 20 hours a day for a week... But I don't recommend it.
I don't know what happened to sex, but I'm glad theophania has brought sex(y) back.
Ignore bad puns and typos- and blame it on the fever
Post by helloerrbody on Jul 10, 2015 20:01:18 GMT -5
If none of the admins deleted sex (I'm not saying they did), then how the hell did it get deleted? That's more of the issue in my mind. Who else could have "hacked" or whatever to get in there and delete it? Not that a hacker would have reason to do that, but I also believe what the admins are saying, so it obviously got deleted somehow...?
Besides that, I know that @debthelibrarian and bunnyfungo both love these boards and don't just post things to "rile things up." We should be able to question things that we see happening. I want to be able to be open without admins taking it personally, but I also get why they do. That's what's tough and unique about this situation - admins are people we all love and who are part of the community. That's a very atypical situation. It's great, but it also can make it hard in situations like this.
If none of the admins deleted sex (I'm not saying they did), then how the hell did it get deleted? That's more of the issue in my mind. Who else could have "hacked" or whatever to get in there and delete it? Not that a hacker would have reason to do that, but I also believe what the admins are saying, so it obviously got deleted somehow...?
Besides that, I know that @debthelibrarian and bunnyfungo both love these boards and don't just post things to "rile things up." We should be able to question things that we see happening. I want to be able to be open without admins taking it personally, but I also get why they do. That's what's tough and unique about this situation - admins are people we all love and who are part of the community. That's a very atypical situation. It's great, but it also can make it hard in situations like this.
I'm thinking you're referring to me since you put "rile things up" in quotes.
Everyone is allowed to say what they want. My point is that the admins here has thus far given us very little reason to doubt them. They were not paged to ask what happened. A quick PM would've gotten answers. A tag within the first post wouldve alerted one of them. None of that was done.
When admin answers their explanations where said to be shady and skirting the issue.
I'm sure they a lot of people ove the board. However that doesn't change the fact that the situation could've been handled differently.
I wasn't specifically referring to you, just the accusation that they are trying to rile things up. Which I know to be very false. And a quick PM wouldn't have cleared things up, because it's still not cleared up. It's still a mystery how/why/when/by whom the description got changed.
I'm also going to say, even though I said I wasn't going to respond in this post again:
We had nameless, faceless admins on TD and look how that worked out for us?
Some people think that we should have a basic nameless, faceless admin account here. However, what would that change? It would still be us behind the account. We would still be people who have put our hearts and souls into this site, not to mention our time and money. We would still be humans who make mistakes and have feelings. It didn't work for TD to have a nameless, faceless admin and I don't see how it would work here either.
Instead, I would like to request that we be given the benefit of the doubt every once in awhile, especially in a small issue like this. I think we've earned it. I think we've shown very clearly that we love this site and when there is a problem we fix it. Why not bring issues directly to us instead?
I know that some of you think it should be easy to separate the admins from the people, but for us it isn't that easy. Think about it this way. Think back to a major project you've been involved in. Something you truly cared about and believed in. Think about putting in many, many hours, much effort, and your hearts into that project. Now consider that every step of the way there are people there to pick at every aspect, every detail. Think about how it would feel to have even the tiniest flaws blown up to make larger issues very publicly. It does not feel good.
When this is constructive criticism with the intent to help the project flourish it is much easier to handle and in fact it's helpful. However, sometimes it isn't. We recognize that we can't please everyone, but when it starts to feel like some things are being picked to death just to tear us down it is extremely demotivating and it's hurtful because we have put so much of ourselves into this site.
I guess all I'm asking is that everyone try to keep in mind that we are people. We have feelings. And we care so very much about this site. We've tried to do everything possible to show that. To be fair. To be transparent. So if small things get messed up or misunderstandings occur or we make mistakes it would be really amazing if we could be given the benefit of the doubt. I'm not saying don't talk about things. I'm just saying, why not bring something directly to the admin team if you think there's a problem? We have clearly shown that we are here and we are listening and we make changes based upon our feedback.
/end really long statement.
I'm too tired to make a TL;DR so I would appreciate anyone who wants to read that and reduce it to a few sentences.
I'm kinda jumping in here, but to be so sensitive is not good business practices. There will always be nitpicking and criticism with any business. And you are basically running a not-for-profit business. Honestly, your initial defensive reaction was very off-putting and seemed unprofessional. You have to wear two hats as an admin and member of this board and in this case you wore the wrong hat.
ETA: Aside from all that, I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say I appreciate all the hard work put into this place. If not for the select few we wouldn't have had anywhere else to go after TD.
I'm also going to say, even though I said I wasn't going to respond in this post again:
We had nameless, faceless admins on TD and look how that worked out for us?
Some people think that we should have a basic nameless, faceless admin account here. However, what would that change? It would still be us behind the account. We would still be people who have put our hearts and souls into this site, not to mention our time and money. We would still be humans who make mistakes and have feelings. It didn't work for TD to have a nameless, faceless admin and I don't see how it would work here either.
Instead, I would like to request that we be given the benefit of the doubt every once in awhile, especially in a small issue like this. I think we've earned it. I think we've shown very clearly that we love this site and when there is a problem we fix it. Why not bring issues directly to us instead?
I know that some of you think it should be easy to separate the admins from the people, but for us it isn't that easy. Think about it this way. Think back to a major project you've been involved in. Something you truly cared about and believed in. Think about putting in many, many hours, much effort, and your hearts into that project. Now consider that every step of the way there are people there to pick at every aspect, every detail. Think about how it would feel to have even the tiniest flaws blown up to make larger issues very publicly. It does not feel good.
When this is constructive criticism with the intent to help the project flourish it is much easier to handle and in fact it's helpful. However, sometimes it isn't. We recognize that we can't please everyone, but when it starts to feel like some things are being picked to death just to tear us down it is extremely demotivating and it's hurtful because we have put so much of ourselves into this site.
I guess all I'm asking is that everyone try to keep in mind that we are people. We have feelings. And we care so very much about this site. We've tried to do everything possible to show that. To be fair. To be transparent. So if small things get messed up or misunderstandings occur or we make mistakes it would be really amazing if we could be given the benefit of the doubt. I'm not saying don't talk about things. I'm just saying, why not bring something directly to the admin team if you think there's a problem? We have clearly shown that we are here and we are listening and we make changes based upon our feedback.
/end really long statement.
I'm too tired to make a TL;DR so I would appreciate anyone who wants to read that and reduce it to a few sentences.
I just wanted to say thanks for all that you and the other admins do. It would be such a tough job and you don't hear thanks enough....So thank you!! We're all lucky to have a community were we can discuss things like so openly.
I'm also going to say, even though I said I wasn't going to respond in this post again:
We had nameless, faceless admins on TD and look how that worked out for us?
Some people think that we should have a basic nameless, faceless admin account here. However, what would that change? It would still be us behind the account. We would still be people who have put our hearts and souls into this site, not to mention our time and money. We would still be humans who make mistakes and have feelings. It didn't work for TD to have a nameless, faceless admin and I don't see how it would work here either.
Instead, I would like to request that we be given the benefit of the doubt every once in awhile, especially in a small issue like this. I think we've earned it. I think we've shown very clearly that we love this site and when there is a problem we fix it. Why not bring issues directly to us instead?
I know that some of you think it should be easy to separate the admins from the people, but for us it isn't that easy. Think about it this way. Think back to a major project you've been involved in. Something you truly cared about and believed in. Think about putting in many, many hours, much effort, and your hearts into that project. Now consider that every step of the way there are people there to pick at every aspect, every detail. Think about how it would feel to have even the tiniest flaws blown up to make larger issues very publicly. It does not feel good.
When this is constructive criticism with the intent to help the project flourish it is much easier to handle and in fact it's helpful. However, sometimes it isn't. We recognize that we can't please everyone, but when it starts to feel like some things are being picked to death just to tear us down it is extremely demotivating and it's hurtful because we have put so much of ourselves into this site.
I guess all I'm asking is that everyone try to keep in mind that we are people. We have feelings. And we care so very much about this site. We've tried to do everything possible to show that. To be fair. To be transparent. So if small things get messed up or misunderstandings occur or we make mistakes it would be really amazing if we could be given the benefit of the doubt. I'm not saying don't talk about things. I'm just saying, why not bring something directly to the admin team if you think there's a problem? We have clearly shown that we are here and we are listening and we make changes based upon our feedback.
/end really long statement.
I'm too tired to make a TL;DR so I would appreciate anyone who wants to read that and reduce it to a few sentences.
I'm kinda jumping in here, but to be so sensitive is not good business practices. There will always be nitpicking and criticism with any business. And you are basically running a not-for-profit business. Honestly, your initial defensive reaction was very off-putting and seemed unprofessional. You have to wear two hats as an admin and member of this board and in this case you wore the wrong hat.
ETA: Aside from all that, I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say I appreciate all the hard work put into this place. If not for the select few we wouldn't have had anywhere else to go after TD.
I'm just going to say that we have made it idiot proof to tag the admins- seriously one click of a button. All we ask is that if there is a problem or a question or concern, just tag us.
Clearly some shit got broke with the server issue- this wasn't the first thing that was accidentally changed when trying to get to the root of issues.
5 years TTC 2 c/p's 2 failed IUIs/1 cancelled IVF 1 failed IVF 1 failed FET BFP 12/1/15. We said goodbye to Tiny 1/4/16 Fresh cycle #3 2/16 8R/7M/5F BFP 5/12/16 We said goodbye to flutter on 5/27 and poprock on 5/28 BFP 8/30/16 We said goodbye to Samuel 10/3 (Trisomy 16) Moving on to Donor Embryos BFP 12/20/16 We said goodbye to Turtle 12/30
I'm kinda jumping in here, but to be so sensitive is not good business practices. There will always be nitpicking and criticism with any business. And you are basically running a not-for-profit business. Honestly, your initial defensive reaction was very off-putting and seemed unprofessional. You have to wear two hats as an admin and member of this board and in this case you wore the wrong hat.
*sigh*
You can take my one hat or leave it. I am who I am and although I've worked hard to be less sensitive it hasn't happened in 33 years and I don't see it magically happening overnight. Since as a member of this board I post my thoughts, hopes, dreams, and losses here just like the rest of you it really isn't easy to separate. If people do not like how I admin and find me off-putting at this point I think I should just step down and be done. I'm not sure anyone wants to take on everything I've been doing, but I am at a very take me or leave me point right now.
I don't think anyone wants you to leave. At least, I definitely don't. In regards to my previous post, I was not saying or meaning that "faceless admins" was the way to go or that it would be the solution or better option. I was just saying that having admins who are also active parts of the community is a unique situation and can sometimes cause issues that don't arise when there are "faceless admins." But obviously there are many issues when the admins are faceless. It's just different.
To be very blunt, it gets tiring to frequently hear about all of the time and money that the admins put in here. I get that. I've always gotten that, and I always will. And while I absolutely appreciate it, you all chose to be admins, and you all also chose to go the route of making this site a "legit" website with content, advertisers, etc. It was an option just to let this site stay free on PB but that wasn't the path you guys took. Which is great. I'm glad you want to spend so much energy on this, but please don't throw it in my face when I have an opinion or a concern. If this is an open, user-driven, uncensored place, then please don't give me a guilt trip when I express something.
Post by icaughtfire on Jul 10, 2015 20:55:47 GMT -5
So if the admins are questioned, we don't appreciate this place?
There's thousands of members here..people are going to have opinions. They're going to question you. They might not always agree with you. That's par for the course when dealing with so many personalities. I get that some of us our more sensitive than others, but as an admin you should be able to seperate an issue with the site/forum/the way things are handled from a personal attack against you.
Number One: Born 06.16.2009 BFP: 01.17.2014 / MC 02.05.2014 BFP: 03.08.2014 / MMC: 05.07.2014 Dx: Partial Molar/GTD. Benched until 01.2015 Number Two: Born 07.22.2016
I'm kinda jumping in here, but to be so sensitive is not good business practices. There will always be nitpicking and criticism with any business. And you are basically running a not-for-profit business. Honestly, your initial defensive reaction was very off-putting and seemed unprofessional. You have to wear two hats as an admin and member of this board and in this case you wore the wrong hat.
ETA: Aside from all that, I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say I appreciate all the hard work put into this place. If not for the select few we wouldn't have had anywhere else to go after TD.
Girl, we cool and all but for reals? 1 don't speak for everyone because the recent nitpicking that I have seen as I scroll various boards and subboarrds says a lot of people aren't thankful. They are nitpicking ingrates. 2. The board can't have it both ways. You can't bemoan the fact that TCF is becoming more organized and then turn around and say "as a business owner you should be more professional. 3. The entire point I got from this was "this is wrong and I want answers now. I won't go to the source that has the answers I will speculate as to why things are wrong." In this case the customer didn't go to the busy to address the issue. 4 I would be mad as hell if I did something for others for free and I couldn't at least be told when I made a mistake.
5. Will this be my hill to die on?
Yes, we cool and have a right to disagree. I personally never bemoaned TCF becoming more organized. I think this site is as much a business as TD, however smaller. And to immediately get defensive and say "I'm done" when it's obvious there will always be people criticizing and whining and disagreeing is like walking out of a rush at a fast food restaurant when someone tells you made their burger wrong. And maybe I'm greatly mistaken, but I thought I did see the admins tagged before they joined our conversation.
ETA: Naria was the only one initially tagged I see.
You can take my one hat or leave it. I am who I am and although I've worked hard to be less sensitive it hasn't happened in 33 years and I don't see it magically happening overnight. Since as a member of this board I post my thoughts, hopes, dreams, and losses here just like the rest of you it really isn't easy to separate. If people do not like how I admin and find me off-putting at this point I think I should just step down and be done. I'm not sure anyone wants to take on everything I've been doing, but I am at a very take me or leave me point right now.
I don't think anyone wants you to leave. At least, I definitely don't. In regards to my previous post, I was not saying or meaning that "faceless admins" was the way to go or that it would be the solution or better option. I was just saying that having admins who are also active parts of the community is a unique situation and can sometimes cause issues that don't arise when there are "faceless admins." But obviously there are many issues when the admins are faceless. It's just different.
To be very blunt, it gets tiring to frequently hear about all of the time and money that the admins put in here. I get that. I've always gotten that, and I always will. And while I absolutely appreciate it, you all chose to be admins, and you all also chose to go the route of making this site a "legit" website with content, advertisers, etc. It was an option just to let this site stay free on PB but that wasn't the path you guys took. Which is great. I'm glad you want to spend so much energy on this, but please don't throw it in my face when I have an opinion or a concern. If this is an open, user-driven, uncensored place, then please don't give me a guilt trip when I express something.
Fo real. If it's so stressful and eats up so much time and money, why not just leave the site as-is? It doesn't make any sense to put so much time, effort, and energy into something that will barely be able to pay for itself.
Then again, if admins choose to take on that responsibility, while it may be admirable, it is entirely voluntary.
**disclaimer** I'll be honest here, I don't have any fucks to give about the board descriptions. I'm not invested in the "new site" at all. I post where I want to post, and say what I want to say.
1. Naria was tagged on page 1. 2. We've always been a very outspoken group, so I don't necessarily think this post was out of line, nor was it done to rile things up. 3. I like being on TCF because I have made some amazing friendships here. 4. We all are not going to agree on everything. That's life. 5. If the admins of the board are in in for the business of it, unfortunately your going going to have to treat it as a business and not take things personally. 6. If anyone wants to put their time/money/sanity into making TCF grow, that's on them. I'm just here to post and chat with my friends. If you can't handle the job, maybe the job isn't for you. 7. I love vodka.
So if the admins are questioned, we don't appreciate this place?
There's thousands of members here..people are going to have opinions. They're going to question you. They might not always agree with you. That's par for the course when dealing with so many personalities. I get that some of us our more sensitive than others, but as an admin you should be able to seperate an issue with the site/forum/the way things are handled from a personal attack against you.
By all means, question us. Just, y'know, tag us to let us know what those questions are. From what I understand, you guys were upset about "sex" going missing from the description. So when I found out about it, it got dealt with. We're not looking for you guys to love every one of our decisions, but maybe a little bit of faith would be great.
It gets a little personal for us sometimes when it's assumed that we would do things without consulting you. I always thought I was an important member of this community, and it sometimes feels that by stepping into being an admin, I'm now expected to be infallible and dispassionate, which are two things I'm not great at.
I'll do my best to be a fair admin, to work hard for you and make this website flourish. I'll work hard on the social media and the articles for the other half of the site. I want you to have a growing, vibrant community. You deserve that. In return, please just try and understand that we're doing our best.
I don't think anyone wants you to leave. At least, I definitely don't. In regards to my previous post, I was not saying or meaning that "faceless admins" was the way to go or that it would be the solution or better option. I was just saying that having admins who are also active parts of the community is a unique situation and can sometimes cause issues that don't arise when there are "faceless admins." But obviously there are many issues when the admins are faceless. It's just different.
To be very blunt, it gets tiring to frequently hear about all of the time and money that the admins put in here. I get that. I've always gotten that, and I always will. And while I absolutely appreciate it, you all chose to be admins, and you all also chose to go the route of making this site a "legit" website with content, advertisers, etc. It was an option just to let this site stay free on PB but that wasn't the path you guys took. Which is great. I'm glad you want to spend so much energy on this, but please don't throw it in my face when I have an opinion or a concern. If this is an open, user-driven, uncensored place, then please don't give me a guilt trip when I express something.
That portion of my reply was in general and actually not directed at you at all. In fact, none of that was directed specifically at you. It was a general message. Perhaps I should have specified that.
As for the rest, I would very much more like to emphasize the amount of heart we have put into this rather than time/money, which is why I said that repeatedly. I'm not trying to guilt anyone, but I do want to make people understand that everything isn't easy for us. Yes, we chose to do this, but I'll flat out admit that I did not realize what I was in for. I have ran other websites and never dealt with the issues that have occurred here. I can pretty confidently say that had I of known that everything I did would be picked apart I would not have agreed to set-up these forums or anything else.
If you're out for the night then I apologize for summoning you back...I mean this with absolutely no snark whatsoever, but if the direction of this forum is having such an impact on your personal lives, whether it be through time taken from other endeavors, finances, whatever, why not just stop and leave it be? This place will always be a success in just the fact that we had a place to take refuge from TD. If that's all it ever is, it would still be a huge deal and mean so much to so many people.
I wouldn't do this shit if it was causing such negativity in my life, so why in the world are y'all? I know there is a vision, but at what cost? I guess I don't get it. I see what y'all say about your hopes for the site, but there doesn't seem to be much financial incentive and while there are other motivations, it just doesn't seem like it will all be worth it. Maybe that's a defeatist attitude to have, but it's just how it looks from the outside.
If you're out for the night then I apologize for summoning you back...I mean this with absolutely no snark whatsoever, but if the direction of this forum is having such an impact on your personal lives, whether it be through time taken from other endeavors, finances, whatever, why not just stop and leave it be? This place will always be a success in just the fact that we had a place to take refuge from TD. If that's all it ever is, it would still be a huge deal and mean so much to so many people.
I wouldn't do this shit if it was causing such negativity in my life, so why in the world are y'all? I know there is a vision, but at what cost? I guess I don't get it. I see what y'all say about your hopes for the site, but there doesn't seem to be much financial incentive and while there are other motivations, it just doesn't seem like it will all be worth it. Maybe that's a defeatist attitude to have, but it's just how it looks from the outside.
For me? The reason I do this? Because I remember how much TTC sucked. I remember how much my losses sucked. I remember how scared I was too go into testing. I couldn't imagine doing any of that without this community. I think other women out there deserve to have a place like this. That's why we have to succeed. Because BC, TD, TWW... they're fucking awful. And no one should have to go to those glitter fart places when what they need is, quite simply, US.
If you're out for the night then I apologize for summoning you back...I mean this with absolutely no snark whatsoever, but if the direction of this forum is having such an impact on your personal lives, whether it be through time taken from other endeavors, finances, whatever, why not just stop and leave it be? This place will always be a success in just the fact that we had a place to take refuge from TD. If that's all it ever is, it would still be a huge deal and mean so much to so many people.
I wouldn't do this shit if it was causing such negativity in my life, so why in the world are y'all? I know there is a vision, but at what cost? I guess I don't get it. I see what y'all say about your hopes for the site, but there doesn't seem to be much financial incentive and while there are other motivations, it just doesn't seem like it will all be worth it. Maybe that's a defeatist attitude to have, but it's just how it looks from the outside.
Even if we leave it be as is and don't work on the site we spend hours of time handling forum issues. I have spent 40+ hours this week handling tech issues on the forum, working with proboards to solve other issues, and dealing with the May 15 incident which involved a shitload of work. None of that had anything to do with a new website. In fact, it prevented me from working on the website and I did it all anyways because I care about this place and want it to run properly. However, without that website this forum will get slower and slower and eventually die. I guarantee it. I've seen it happen on other boards. If that's what people want though far be it from me to try to prevent it.
You are exactly right. I have no idea why I am doing any of it anymore. Thank you everyone for showing me the error of my thoughts.
You are being extremely melodramatic and sarcastic when people are just trying to have a real conversation with questions now.
If you're out for the night then I apologize for summoning you back...I mean this with absolutely no snark whatsoever, but if the direction of this forum is having such an impact on your personal lives, whether it be through time taken from other endeavors, finances, whatever, why not just stop and leave it be? This place will always be a success in just the fact that we had a place to take refuge from TD. If that's all it ever is, it would still be a huge deal and mean so much to so many people.
I wouldn't do this shit if it was causing such negativity in my life, so why in the world are y'all? I know there is a vision, but at what cost? I guess I don't get it. I see what y'all say about your hopes for the site, but there doesn't seem to be much financial incentive and while there are other motivations, it just doesn't seem like it will all be worth it. Maybe that's a defeatist attitude to have, but it's just how it looks from the outside.
Even if we leave it be as is and don't work on the site we spend hours of time handling forum issues. I have spent 40+ hours this week handling tech issues on the forum, working with proboards to solve other issues, and dealing with the May 15 incident which involved a shitload of work. None of that had anything to do with a new website. In fact, it prevented me from working on the website and I did it all anyways because I care about this place and want it to run properly. However, without that website this forum will get slower and slower and eventually die. I guarantee it. I've seen it happen on other boards. If that's what people want though far be it from me to try to prevent it.
You are exactly right. I have no idea why I am doing any of it anymore. Thank you everyone for showing me the error of my thoughts.
If you're out for the night then I apologize for summoning you back...I mean this with absolutely no snark whatsoever, but if the direction of this forum is having such an impact on your personal lives, whether it be through time taken from other endeavors, finances, whatever, why not just stop and leave it be? This place will always be a success in just the fact that we had a place to take refuge from TD. If that's all it ever is, it would still be a huge deal and mean so much to so many people.
I wouldn't do this shit if it was causing such negativity in my life, so why in the world are y'all? I know there is a vision, but at what cost? I guess I don't get it. I see what y'all say about your hopes for the site, but there doesn't seem to be much financial incentive and while there are other motivations, it just doesn't seem like it will all be worth it. Maybe that's a defeatist attitude to have, but it's just how it looks from the outside.
For me? The reason I do this? Because I remember how much TTC sucked. I remember how much my losses sucked. I remember how scared I was too go into testing. I couldn't imagine doing any of that without this community. I think other women out there deserve to have a place like this. That's why we have to succeed. Because BC, TD, TWW... they're fucking awful. And no one should have to go to those glitter fart places when what they need is, quite simply, US.
That makes total sense and I both appreciate and admire your passion. I guess it just seems like that dream shouldn't be realized to the detriment of y'all's personal lives. In the end, I suppose, it's up to the admins whether it's worth it to them or not, but no one assumed or expected any of you to make massive personal sacrifices just because you happened to have set up a proboards forum for us to flee to when TD exploded.
Nope, you're not that lucky unfortunately. This is still the best place for me to TTC, mourn my losses, and hopefuly someday have a successful pregnancy.
I have nothing to say other than, I would not consider this being lucky at all. That would suck. Come on Theo, we love you.
Different demographic. there have been multiple discussions on the topic as to why this place will die without new blood, so I'm not going to rehash it for you
5 years TTC 2 c/p's 2 failed IUIs/1 cancelled IVF 1 failed IVF 1 failed FET BFP 12/1/15. We said goodbye to Tiny 1/4/16 Fresh cycle #3 2/16 8R/7M/5F BFP 5/12/16 We said goodbye to flutter on 5/27 and poprock on 5/28 BFP 8/30/16 We said goodbye to Samuel 10/3 (Trisomy 16) Moving on to Donor Embryos BFP 12/20/16 We said goodbye to Turtle 12/30
So if the admins are questioned, we don't appreciate this place?
There's thousands of members here..people are going to have opinions. They're going to question you. They might not always agree with you. That's par for the course when dealing with so many personalities. I get that some of us our more sensitive than others, but as an admin you should be able to seperate an issue with the site/forum/the way things are handled from a personal attack against you.
By all means, question us. Just, y'know, tag us to let us know what those questions are. From what I understand, you guys were upset about "sex" going missing from the description. So when I found out about it, it got dealt with. We're not looking for you guys to love every one of our decisions, but maybe a little bit of faith would be great.
It gets a little personal for us sometimes when it's assumed that we would do things without consulting you. I always thought I was an important member of this community, and it sometimes feels that by stepping into being an admin, I'm now expected to be infallible and dispassionate, which are two things I'm not great at.
I'll do my best to be a fair admin, to work hard for you and make this website flourish. I'll work hard on the social media and the articles for the other half of the site. I want you to have a growing, vibrant community. You deserve that. In return, please just try and understand that we're doing our best.
Thank you, Bibs, for an open & honest response, and for not taking what I'm saying as a personal attack against you. I know you (and the other admins) do a lot of work we don't see on our end, and I do appreciate you. If I have an issue, I'll tag you. Or I'll just tag you to say hi.
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Post by bibliothecary on Jul 10, 2015 21:34:02 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm generally too unemotional to understand, but what, precisely, is the issue? That admins are human? That, yes, we choose to spend our personal time building something that is important to us and, we hope, to you? That despite choosing to do this, it doesn't mean that it's always easy or fun for us?
Someone please explain. I really just want to understand what has everyone worked up.
Thank you, Bibs, for an open & honest response, and for not taking what I'm saying as a personal attack against you. I know you (and the other admins) do a lot of work we don't see on our end, and I do appreciate you. If I have an issue, I'll tag you. Or I'll just tag you to say hi.
If they just "let it go" we would still be having the old server issues: repeated down time, cached pages, non existent tech support. How long until everyone gets so frustrated that traffic drops?
Perhaps I'm generally too unemotional to understand, but what, precisely, is the issue? That admins are human? That, yes, we choose to spend our personal time building something that is important to us and, we hope, to you? That despite choosing to do this, it doesn't mean that it's always easy or fun for us?
Someone please explain. I really just want to understand what has everyone worked up.
These are my personal thoughts in this thread. I completely understand the admins are human and active members as well. However my issue was to treat the OPs of this thread as if they are not appreciative because they had a complaint or criticism about what seemed to be a change without their knowledge. Now it's cleared up that it seemed to be a board issue and now my only thoughts are that being admins seem to be running you ragged and don't want to see that create a rift between you guys and other members. And the very blown out of proportion comments made by members of the staff during a conversation regarding board issues were unnecessary.
That is really rich coming from you. Please just stop now. I will as well. K?
I have an issue with this. @rutherily is entitled to disagree with what happened. I feel like she has owned up to her mistake and surely learned from it. We can't keep throwing that shit in her face.
I should change my name to WKChampion or some shit
I miss you round these parts. Hope you're having fun in your new home, though.
If they just "let it go" we would still be having the old server issues: repeated down time, cached pages, non existent tech support. How long until everyone gets so frustrated that traffic drops?
That happened BECAUSE of the move to an independent website.
And from everything we are told, proboards is very responsive.
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