BBT... Please help!

[joy]

My best advice would be this:

Don't focus on any particular day's temperature. There is a reason that three sustained temps are needed to confirm ovulation. One temp may just be aberrant, two days may be a fluke, but three really signifies a pattern. It is possible that FertilityFriend will move your crosshairs, but don't worry too much about that for now. Today's temp may have been weird and tomorrow will look nothing like it.

[joy]

Jan 25, 2015 19:06:44 GMT -5 W said:

My best advice would be this: listen to Joy.

Oh Whit.  I you.

[anonymouseliza]

Well, first things first, you can't take any single temperature in isolation. You are looking for trends. So see what happens tomorrow, ok? It's entirely possible you were just hot last night. It's also possible your chart might go triphasic. Maybe you are getting sick . . . do you see what I mean?

Can you link your chart? Do you track your other fertility signs? How do they line up with what FF says? Look at the entire picture, not just one isolated thing.

[SheilaTheTank]

Did your temperature drop right before the rise? There is a thing called fallback rise that can occur after ovulation due to a secondary surge in hormones. Also listen to what PPs said about not focusing on a single temperature.

[anonymouseliza]

Jan 25, 2015 19:11:22 GMT -5 Xoxo said:

Thanks ladies!!!!! I'll try to link my chart. Others fertility signs do match up the day 16. I was just concerned because some of the temps after day 16 are close to the cover line then today it spiked.

You may simply have a slow rise.  Definitely been there.  Feel free to link your chart, but really what happens tomorrow and the day after will be more telling.

[joy]

Jan 25, 2015 19:16:55 GMT -5 Xoxo said:

fertilityfriend.com/home/4e3f59

It's possible your crosshairs will move to CD18. 

You have really good timing regardless, so seriously - don't stress if they move!

[anonymouseliza]

It'll help if you chart your cm, just for future reference. Easier for both FF and us to help you determine what's going on. Did you stop testing opk's after the positive? Sometimes you can get a + opk but not ovulate. Also, why the open circle?

Regardless, I'm inclined to agree with FF for now, but if it continues, I would not be surprised to see your crosshairs changed.

[cnf2013]

Jan 25, 2015 19:22:01 GMT -5 joy said:

Jan 25, 2015 19:16:55 GMT -5 Xoxo said:

fertilityfriend.com/home/4e3f59

It's possible your crosshairs will move to CD18. 

You have really good timing regardless, so seriously - don't stress if they move!

You'll have even better timing if they do move actually. I wouldn't sweat it. The women here are wise. You want to listen to them =)

[cnf2013]

Jan 25, 2015 19:23:44 GMT -5 anonymouseliza said:

It'll help if you chart your cm, just for future reference. Easier for both FF and us to help you determine what's going on. Did you stop testing opk's after the positive? Sometimes you can get a + opk but not ovulate. Also, why the open circle?

Regardless, I'm inclined to agree with FF for now, but if it continues, I would not be surprised to see your crosshairs changed.

The bolded too. I wouldn't stop OPK's until you confirm O. I actually had five days of positive OPK's this cycle over the course of a week and a half. It was kind of obnoxious to keep getting positives, but since my temperature didn't rise until after the fifth one I kept taking them. And good thing too otherwise we would have missed our window by over a week. 

[anonymouseliza]

Jan 25, 2015 19:28:40 GMT -5 Xoxo said:

I wake up extremely early for work during the week, and during the weekend I try to sleep in a little bit later. The open circles are the days I slept an extra hour or two, I guess that can explain the higher temps, too.

Got it.  Are you able to fall back asleep?  When I used to temp (getting back to it full-time next cycle if I'm not pregnant), I set the alarm for well before I needed to get up and then went back to sleep every day, weekends included.  If you have trouble falling back asleep though, that's probably not helpful at all.

Let us know what happens, ok?  Later temp, depending on how much later, could be a cause of the abnormally high temp (it wasn't ever really for me, but my friend noticed big shifts if she slept more than an hour late, so ymmv).

[renbee]

My cycles often look a lot like that with the slow rise after ovulation. Usually, like you, secondary signs help reinforce when ovulation happened. So it's good that you are paying attention to those too!

[3houlagirl]

I have had really long, goofy cycles where FF moved my crosshairs a few times. What I learned is this: if you think ff is wrong, keep using opks and having sex the way you would if you didn't have CH. That way, the worst that can happen is you waste a few opks and have some extra sex.

Good luck, and I'm sorry for your loss.

[joy]

Jan 27, 2015 8:15:58 GMT -5 Xoxo said:

FertilityFriend.com/home4e3f59

So now I'm even more frustrated!! Did I ovulate on the 19th as FF is indicating or on the 21st? Could I be a slow riser? I've been charting for months, you'd think I know all this by now

Trust FertilityFriend. This is it's job. As of now, I agree with FertilityFriend. As you add more temps, I may not and the crosshairs may move. But not today.

[anonymouseliza]

Jan 27, 2015 8:15:58 GMT -5 Xoxo said:

FertilityFriend.com/home4e3f59

So now I'm even more frustrated!! Did I ovulate on the 19th as FF is indicating or on the 21st? Could I be a slow riser? I've been charting for months, you'd think I know all this by now

I'm sorry this is so frustrating.  Another temp might move the crosshairs, but I think not having any cm data may be affecting things too (or is it just turned off? can it be turned off?  bah).

The problem is the temps could go either way.  You may just have a slow rise.  My charts have a few instances of this, especially my pregnancy charts with my daughter and my son.  I'm linking here, but you'll have to scroll down a ways - I didn't start temping again until this cycle (and haven't updated today yet).  If you scroll down, the charts are labelled and you can see similar things.  On the chart for my daughter (Jul 2011), FF went back and forth over the crosshairs and ended up being off (per early u/s, FF's first guess was right, lol).

My Ovulation Chart

[sister13]

OK, look, we don't really need a continuous update. You've still got good timing and your chart can still change based on new data. Multiple posters have told you not to over-analyze and all you can do is try to do better next month with temping and checking secondary signs.

I'm sorry, but I have to point out that you haven't posted in any other threads, and a running commentary on your chart is not really necessary. If you want to be a part of the community, then I suggest you participate in other threads.

[jennytwoshoes]

Aw, Extina, I'm a softie and feel for you. It's hard to be in the middle of your cycle and not know what's going on. I'm confused though - are you using OPKs? If not, I'd suggest them for a little more data. Is that the # on CD 11? I have a tendency to gear up to O once or twice before I really O. I will see some OPKs that are really close to positive, but not get there, confirmed with no sustained temp shift. I'd keep using OPKs until you see a sustained temp shift. I actually get positives for many days and keep testing until it's negative, just to be sure.

I have my chart linked in my signature, but I also get annoyed with myself when I wake up too early and mess up my temp. Or forget to set an alarm on the weekends and temp late (hence my open circles on cds 15 and 16). But you just have to wait it out, really. Most of TTC is wait and see. Even with a few open circles, the pattern usually sorts itself out.

I don't really mind your updates, but you might also consider posting in WTO or the TWW. I vent my chart frustrations there. Daily.

[icaughtfire]

Jan 29, 2015 8:35:26 GMT -5 Xoxo said:

So this morning FF changed my CHs to day 21 . I don't agree with this day, thinking it's too late, but I guess my temps are all it can go on at this point, as I didn't do a good job of tracking my other signs this month. So frustrating!!!! Sorry, just venting. It's nice to hear advice from other girls who have experienced the same thing. My hubby is so wonderful, but doesn't always understand the month to month struggle.....

fertilityfriend.com/home/4e3f59

What part is so frustrating? You still hit O-5 thru O-2, which is still great timing. What difference does it make if you O'd CD 18 or CD 21?

[sister13]

Jan 29, 2015 9:04:21 GMT -5 jennytwoshoes said:

Aw, Extina, I'm a softie and feel for you. It's hard to be in the middle of your cycle and not know what's going on. I'm confused though - are you using OPKs? If not, I'd suggest them for a little more data. Is that the # on CD 11? I have a tendency to gear up to O once or twice before I really O. I will see some OPKs that are really close to positive, but not get there, confirmed with no sustained temp shift. I'd keep using OPKs until you see a sustained temp shift. I actually get positives for many days and keep testing until it's negative, just to be sure.

I have my chart linked in my signature, but I also get annoyed with myself when I wake up too early and mess up my temp. Or forget to set an alarm on the weekends and temp late (hence my open circles on cds 15 and 16). But you just have to wait it out, really. Most of TTC is wait and see. Even with a few open circles, the pattern usually sorts itself out.

I don't really mind your updates, but you might also consider posting in WTO or the TWW. I vent my chart frustrations there. Daily.

Ok, but there are ways around this and just venting daily about it does not change the chart, or your timing. The chart doesn't make you pregnant or not pregnant and can only work with the data it is given.



FF says to keep having sex and keep taking OPKs until you have ovulation confirmed (solid crosshairs). The chart is a tool, and giving it more information helps, but the only thing that is going to get you pregnant is sperm being present during the fertile window, no matter what the chart shows.



Right now, the OP can only assume she ovulated sometime between CD19 and CD23, with FF's best guess right now on CD21. Even if there was no sex after CD19, the chances are still good that she had sex within the fertile window. I have done my share of chart obsessing, but none of it changes the fact that people (and FF) can't interpret information that isn't there. My point is, if you haven't used all the tools available, you just have to accept that the result is inconclusive and move on.



Or, by all means, one could keep posting updates in one's own personal ute thread diary blog and likely get called out for it.

[almachs0786]

Was the OP deleted or am I just not seeing it??

[sister13]

Jan 29, 2015 9:53:16 GMT -5 almachs0786 said:

Was the OP deleted or am I just not seeing it??

That's weird.

[expatmama11]

Jan 29, 2015 9:53:16 GMT -5 almachs0786 said:

Was the OP deleted or am I just not seeing it??

It must have been deleted. I was really confused as well....

[SheilaTheTank]

So we now have to QFP newbies again? I thought this shit was over when we left TD.

[sister13]

It was there prior to my first comment today because I saw it in the post history but it's gone now. joy, can you see what happened?

[joy]

I think that anyone has the ability to edit their own posts. Meaning - you can dirty delete here if you want.

sister13 - do you have an edit button at the bottom of your own posts?

[sister13]

Jan 29, 2015 10:16:07 GMT -5 joy said:

I think that anyone has the ability to edit their own posts. Meaning - you can dirty delete here if you want.

sister13 - do you have an edit button at the bottom of your own posts?

I do have an edit button.  I was just wondering if it was anything different since the entire post disappeared, not just the text within it and didn't want to jump to conclusions that the OP DD'd.  

Like, it looks like you are the OP now, since you were the first poster after OP.

[heatherj9603]

If you wake up a little early or late, still take your temp. As long as it's not way off from your regular temps, input it anyway. It's better than having gaps of no temps. 

[joy]

Jan 29, 2015 10:18:27 GMT -5 sister13 said:

Jan 29, 2015 10:16:07 GMT -5 joy said:

I think that anyone has the ability to edit their own posts. Meaning - you can dirty delete here if you want.

sister13 - do you have an edit button at the bottom of your own posts?

I do have an edit button.  I was just wondering if it was anything different since the entire post disappeared, not just the text within it and didn't want to jump to conclusions that the OP DD'd.  

Like, it looks like you are the OP now, since you were the first poster after OP.

See the gear next to the "heart" button?  In there, you have the option to delete your entire post as opposed to just editing it to nothing.

I think the OP just up and deleted her post.  When she does that, the next post after it becomes the first one.

I wonder if that can be changed.

[piccyami]

Jan 29, 2015 10:28:24 GMT -5 joy said:

Jan 29, 2015 10:18:27 GMT -5 sister13 said:

I do have an edit button.  I was just wondering if it was anything different since the entire post disappeared, not just the text within it and didn't want to jump to conclusions that the OP DD'd.  

Like, it looks like you are the OP now, since you were the first poster after OP.

See the gear next to the "heart" button?  In there, you have the option to delete your entire post as opposed to just editing it to nothing.

I think the OP just up and deleted her post.  When she does that, the next post after it becomes the first one.

I wonder if that can be changed.

It does at least show on desktop who actually started the thread.

[mainewifey]

Jan 29, 2015 10:28:24 GMT -5 joy said:

Jan 29, 2015 10:18:27 GMT -5 sister13 said:

I do have an edit button.  I was just wondering if it was anything different since the entire post disappeared, not just the text within it and didn't want to jump to conclusions that the OP DD'd.  

Like, it looks like you are the OP now, since you were the first poster after OP.

See the gear next to the "heart" button?  In there, you have the option to delete your entire post as opposed to just editing it to nothing.

I think the OP just up and deleted her post.  When she does that, the next post after it becomes the first one.

I wonder if that can be changed.

If I click on the gear on someone elses post it says I can give gifts... What kind of gifts?!

[jennytwoshoes]

Jan 29, 2015 9:32:55 GMT -5 sister13 said:

Jan 29, 2015 9:04:21 GMT -5 jennytwoshoes said:

Aw, Extina, I'm a softie and feel for you. It's hard to be in the middle of your cycle and not know what's going on. I'm confused though - are you using OPKs? If not, I'd suggest them for a little more data. Is that the # on CD 11? I have a tendency to gear up to O once or twice before I really O. I will see some OPKs that are really close to positive, but not get there, confirmed with no sustained temp shift. I'd keep using OPKs until you see a sustained temp shift. I actually get positives for many days and keep testing until it's negative, just to be sure.

I have my chart linked in my signature, but I also get annoyed with myself when I wake up too early and mess up my temp. Or forget to set an alarm on the weekends and temp late (hence my open circles on cds 15 and 16). But you just have to wait it out, really. Most of TTC is wait and see. Even with a few open circles, the pattern usually sorts itself out.

I don't really mind your updates, but you might also consider posting in WTO or the TWW. I vent my chart frustrations there. Daily.

Ok, but there are ways around this and just venting daily about it does not change the chart, or your timing. The chart doesn't make you pregnant or not pregnant and can only work with the data it is given.



FF says to keep having sex and keep taking OPKs until you have ovulation confirmed (solid crosshairs). The chart is a tool, and giving it more information helps, but the only thing that is going to get you pregnant is sperm being present during the fertile window, no matter what the chart shows.



Right now, the OP can only assume she ovulated sometime between CD19 and CD23, with FF's best guess right now on CD21. Even if there was no sex after CD19, the chances are still good that she had sex within the fertile window. I have done my share of chart obsessing, but none of it changes the fact that people (and FF) can't interpret information that isn't there. My point is, if you haven't used all the tools available, you just have to accept that the result is inconclusive and move on.



Or, by all means, one could keep posting updates in one's own personal ute thread diary blog and likely get called out for it.

I agree with you. I was trying to be nice about it but daily vents really are for the TWW or WTO threads. I mean, there's a line right there every day to talk about your chart or whatever. So take it there. 

I think mostly you and I were giving the same advice, just in a different package.