Post by getzystark on Aug 25, 2015 13:22:13 GMT -5
I had a Mirena and started my chart the day of IUD removal. I actually got my period like 27 days later with EWCM in the middle of that cycle around 13 days after IUD removal /ancedote. I then counted the next cycle as a full "real" one.
What kind of IUD did you have? Mirena (secretes progesterone) or Paragard (no horomones)?
My answer will change depending.
Mirena. I am just hoping that there is another way to start FF instead of putting in CD1.
Well, you can just pick a random day for CD1, start inputting temps and when you get your period, FertilityFriend will adjust itself.
Since external progesterone is supposed to "suspend" your body in the luteal phase and you have now withdrawn that progesterone, it is likely that you will get a withdrawal bleed soon. You can input temps during this time, but those temps will not be leading to ovulation so they will just be practice. Then, once you start bleeding, FertilityFriend will start anew with CD1 and your temps will then mean something.
However, not all bodies respond to the external progesterone as they theoretically should. You very well may ovulate before getting a period, in which case those temps will be nice. The random CD1 you choose will slightly mess up future predictions for a time, but those will even out as you chart longer and longer.
Mirena. I am just hoping that there is another way to start FF instead of putting in CD1.
Well, you can just pick a random day for CD1, start inputting temps and when you get your period, FertilityFriend will adjust itself.
Since external progesterone is supposed to "suspend" your body in the luteal phase and you have now withdrawn that progesterone, it is likely that you will get a withdrawal bleed soon. You can input temps during this time, but those temps will not be leading to ovulation so they will just be practice. Then, once you start bleeding, FertilityFriend will start anew with CD1 and your temps will then mean something.
However, not all bodies respond to the external progesterone as they theoretically should. You very well may ovulate before getting a period, in which case those temps will be nice. The random CD1 you choose will slightly mess up future predictions for a time, but those will even out as you chart longer and longer.
bighair12 You can also choose to exclude cycles from your data, if it's abnormal data -- like starting to chart. Listen to Joy, though. She's supah smart.
Post by notagoddess on Aug 25, 2015 14:00:49 GMT -5
bighair12, did you get periods on the Mirena? I still had periods on it, so I counted CD 1 as the date of my last period. I got it pulled out CD 4 or so, and I had a normal length cycle that month.
By the way, the Mirena does not usually suppress ovulation like birth control pills.
ETA: So you may very well ovulate before getting a period.
I got my first period 11 days after Mirena. Since I had not entered any data other than notes and some spotting prior to that, FF considers my first cycle to be the one that started after the Mirena. I did not put in any arbitrary CD1 data to "get my chart started"."
bighair12, did you get periods on the Mirena? I still had periods on it, so I counted CD 1 as the date of my last period. I got it pulled out CD 4 or so, and I had a normal length cycle that month.
By the way, the Mirena does not usually suppress ovulation like birth control pills.
ETA: So you may very well ovulate before getting a period.
I did not get my period with the mirena.
I feel silly that I didn't know that I could still ovulate with mirena.
By the way, the Mirena does not usually suppress ovulation like birth control pills.
Progesterone alone isn't the best at suppressing ovulation. In theory, it absolutely should. In natural cycles, progesterone is secreted by the corpus luteum which tells the body in no uncertain terms that ovulation has occurred, stop maturing follicles, and start paying attention to possible pregnancy.
But, taken externally like this, progesterone isn't really awesome at fulfilling its job. It's weird, honestly. I was on a progesterone-only pill for awhile and damn was that pill stressful. It had to be taken exactly 24 hours apart and even then it's failure rate was high.
Dual pills of estrogen and progesterone are much better at suppressing ovulation. But, the Mirena's progesterone (which may suppress it) coupled with the device (which keeps sperm from exiting the uterus) is a nice double protection.
EDIT: Progesterone also changes the consistency of CM to make it less amenable to sperm.
bighair12, did you get periods on the Mirena? I still had periods on it, so I counted CD 1 as the date of my last period. I got it pulled out CD 4 or so, and I had a normal length cycle that month.
By the way, the Mirena does not usually suppress ovulation like birth control pills.
ETA: So you may very well ovulate before getting a period.
I did not get my period with the mirena.
I feel silly that I didn't know that I could still ovulate with mirena.
I was somewhat shocked when I saw that on the materials they handed out during the insertion. I don't think it's common knowledge.
I feel silly that I didn't know that I could still ovulate with mirena.
I was somewhat shocked when I saw that on the materials they handed out during the insertion. I don't think it's common knowledge.
I liked that the materials said that the reasons it works as birth control aren't fully understood...uh...great? I had a totally "normal" cycle when I got mine out, period around normal time that I would've expected. I had a period with the Mirena though, too.
TTC since July 2014. CP March 2015. IVF #1 March 2016, 5R, 3M, 2F with ICSI. Transferred 2 on day 3. CP. Surprise BFP and then CP August 2016 (prep cycle for IVF). IVF #2: zero eggs retrieved IVF #3: 6R, 5M, 5F, 3 (2 8A and 1 11A) transferred, one "B" graded embryo frozen on day 5. BFP (at home 7dp3dt, confirmed 14dp3dt with 1552 beta) and U/S at 5w5d, 2 sacs and 2 yolks!
I was somewhat shocked when I saw that on the materials they handed out during the insertion. I don't think it's common knowledge.
I liked that the materials said that the reasons it works as birth control aren't fully understood...uh...great? I had a totally "normal" cycle when I got mine out, period around normal time that I would've expected. I had a period with the Mirena though, too.
Yeah, I was like, well thanks for the great info...
I checked again on their website, and they've updated the language.
I couldn't find the FAQ about it not typically suppressing ovulation, like I got in my materials.
But, ovulation is mentioned in the question about lighter/absent periods.
I was somewhat shocked when I saw that on the materials they handed out during the insertion. I don't think it's common knowledge.
I liked that the materials said that the reasons it works as birth control aren't fully understood...uh...great? I had a totally "normal" cycle when I got mine out, period around normal time that I would've expected. I had a period with the Mirena though, too.
They don't know how IUDs work to keep sperm from exiting the uterus. Some evidence suggests that the device decapitates the sperm so they can no longer swim. For Paragard, they say the copper concentrations are enough to be toxic to sperm and simply kill them all. Others say that it keeps implantation from occuring and doesn't really stop the sperm at all.
Interestingly, many medications "work" but the exact mechanism is unknown. I'm taking a beta blocker for a migraine preventative right now. It's an off-label use and no one knows how they work. There are some ideas, but no one is certain. The research needs to be done.
Even now, the work I'm doing is to design a drug towards a particular target with a particular function. We have the function, but other data suggests it's working via a mechanism we hadn't predicted. We now have to go back and tease that out. But, for a drug going on to clinical trials, often times the efficacy of treatment and limitations of side effects is enough for a doctor to know, the FDA to approve, and a patient to take.
Post by wannabmama on Aug 25, 2015 14:51:48 GMT -5
joy I used beta blockers for my migraines too and it was the only thing that worked. I'm fascinated by the ways medicines work and am happy as long as they do usually!
TTC since July 2014. CP March 2015. IVF #1 March 2016, 5R, 3M, 2F with ICSI. Transferred 2 on day 3. CP. Surprise BFP and then CP August 2016 (prep cycle for IVF). IVF #2: zero eggs retrieved IVF #3: 6R, 5M, 5F, 3 (2 8A and 1 11A) transferred, one "B" graded embryo frozen on day 5. BFP (at home 7dp3dt, confirmed 14dp3dt with 1552 beta) and U/S at 5w5d, 2 sacs and 2 yolks!
joy I used beta blockers for my migraines too and it was the only thing that worked. I'm fascinated by the ways medicines work and am happy as long as they do usually!
Oh my god - I kinda love my beta blocker. I am - however - on day four. So, y'know, I'm still an experiment in progress :-)
joy I used beta blockers for my migraines too and it was the only thing that worked. I'm fascinated by the ways medicines work and am happy as long as they do usually!
Oh my god - I kinda love my beta blocker. I am - however - on day four. So, y'know, I'm still an experiment in progress :-)
Sorry to thread hog...but the only problem for me was that I was in law school and the beta blockers (I think or maybe they had nothing to do with it) seemed to make it impossible for me to get adrenaline rushing that I needed for exams. I'm fairly laid back by nature and need the little edge of nerves to kickstart me. Maybe it was just coincidence but that semester I just was totally different with how I approached my exams. It was crazy. I stopped taking them and the migraine situation seems to have remedied itself somehow (I was getting 1-2 week and now it's back to a few a year).
TTC since July 2014. CP March 2015. IVF #1 March 2016, 5R, 3M, 2F with ICSI. Transferred 2 on day 3. CP. Surprise BFP and then CP August 2016 (prep cycle for IVF). IVF #2: zero eggs retrieved IVF #3: 6R, 5M, 5F, 3 (2 8A and 1 11A) transferred, one "B" graded embryo frozen on day 5. BFP (at home 7dp3dt, confirmed 14dp3dt with 1552 beta) and U/S at 5w5d, 2 sacs and 2 yolks!
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