Ovulation after mc Xp *long*

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I'm XPing this here cause you ladies are a wealth of knowledge.

Okay humour me with my insanity but Google is giving me mixed answers.
can you ovulate with trace amounts of hcg in your system?

back story 
mc September 24 last time I checked a beta it was around 1000 on September 26, I didn't follow to 0

cervix hard and closed no more bleeding as of october

oodles of ewcm this week but didn't temp or check cervical placement as the plan was to wait 2 cycles to try again. Ntnp kinda thing 

dtd last night checked Google to see if sex 2 weeks after mc was safe gave H the green light - mass confusion he though said green light was lets try again now. Checked my cervix after soft open arms for sperm. 

Took an an hpt this morning to make sure my levels were negative from the mc. Faint positive on a frer negative on dollar test. 

Google has mixed messages some claim they've ovulated before betas were 0. 

Doctors said we could try again without waiting for a new AF But seriously what a mind fuck as I have no guidlines or timelines to test on now.

Any knowledge or experience on this or direction for testing I'm guessing repeat betas would be a start.

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Oh yes, the positive is definitely from my miscarriage as it was only 16 days ago. I got a negative on the dollar store test and squinter on the frer so I'm guessing my betas are below 20. My question was related to if you can ovulate with traces of hcg still in the urine.

[mosdub]

I have evidence that I ovulated when my hcg was in the 70s, so yes, you can ovulate with hCG in your system.

Sorry for this scary limbo - I hope you get answers soon.

[TheEleventhHour]

No advice on this topic but I just wanted to say I am sorry for your loss. Sorry this is a mind fuck for you!

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Thanks for the info ladies. It's both exciting and worrisome. I've mentioned before this isn't second loss this year so I have a rx of progesterone - though don't even know if I have low progesterone. I hope this mistake doesn't cost us another baby. Condoms for everyone until AF or darker positive comes?

How exactly do I test now, I need to take progesterone "as soon as the home pregnancy test is positive"

[ghostmonkey]

Oct 11, 2015 15:13:53 GMT -5 @jennatles said:

Thanks for the info ladies. It's both exciting and worrisome. I've mentioned before this isn't second loss this year so I have a rx of progesterone - though don't even know if I have low progesterone. I hope this mistake doesn't cost us another baby. Condoms for everyone until AF or darker positive comes?

How exactly do I test now, I need to take progesterone "as soon as the home pregnancy test is positive"

Your doctor didn't follow your betas to zero. 

Your doctor randomly threw pills at you for something you may or may not have issues with. 


If I were you I'd be pretty fucking pissed at what a moron my doctor is. 

And yes, you can ovulate with HCG in your system. It is commonly used during fertility treatments to force ovulation.

[ameliabird]

No experience but wanted to say sorry for your loss

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I saw emergency room doctors on september 24th (beta 2100) and september 26th (beta 1000) the 3 doctors I saw during my two days at emerge said there was no need to wait for AF as it's only for dating purposes (EDD) and ultrasound can take the place of that. I saw my doctor on on the 28th, fortunately she gave me a rx for progesterone on the basis that if my levels are normal extra wouldn't hurt. But she said to take it as soon as I get a positive pregnacny test (but from what I can tell it works best when taken shortly after ovulation) but yeah, no levels done.

I did ask for a requisition for another hcg draw, but she didnt see the need in following it to zero - SHE did reccomend waiting two cycles, which was my plan too because we have weddings next summer that i'll be part of the bridal party.

That's where the confusion set it, my H thought we were in the clear. My mistake was assuming he would pull out - and even then that's not a reliable nor responsible form of birth control. My intent is to wait the two cycles - using condoms - if we didnt get pregnant last night. I guess i'll keep testing every 2 days to watch for a darkening hpt+. My ob said she'd see us as soon as I got a +hpt - we just thought this would be december or later.

I realize this is all irresponsible but I appreciate your insight I'll be watching for a pregnancy.

Thanks.

[housecarder]

Oct 11, 2015 15:13:53 GMT -5 @jennatles said:

How exactly do I test now, I need to take progesterone "as soon as the home pregnancy test is positive"

My guess is that you would do betas to confirm rising numbers and not left over hcg.
Being that you just ovulated and had sex and he frer is only a squinted I'd guess by the time your TWW is over no left over hcg would be still turnings test +. You could use cheapie a to continue to test out and start taking the progesterone if they get darker rather than lighter too.

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Oct 11, 2015 16:20:19 GMT -5 housecarder said:

Oct 11, 2015 15:13:53 GMT -5 @jennatles said:

How exactly do I test now, I need to take progesterone "as soon as the home pregnancy test is positive"

My guess is that you would do betas to confirm rising numbers and not left over hcg.
Being that you just ovulated and had sex and he frer is only a squinted I'd guess by the time your TWW is over no left over hcg would be still turnings test +. You could use cheapie a to continue to test out and start taking the progesterone if they get darker rather than lighter too.

I didn't confirm O, but yeah I had fertility signs and had unprotected sex. The cheapies were negative today so I'll use those and start the progesterone if they turn positive. I'll connect with my OB as her advice is probably most valuable.

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Oct 11, 2015 16:23:47 GMT -5 @wickedcandy said:

I normally don't eye roll stuff regarding losses, but something just isn't sitting right with me ..

I appreciate the snark. I got my answer, the body can ovulate with trace amounts of hcg in the body.  Im sorry that my recurrent losses and attempt to navigate the health care system leaves you eye rolling.

eta: And if you really want to try and pick apart my losses, you can look at my post history.

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You know what? I thought about uploading a picture to prove my doctor had prescribed me progesterone to take once the pregnancy test is positive, but I owe you nothing. You mentioned that you don't often roll your eyes at loss situations and I hope that's true. What a punch in the face when someone's already in a shitty situation.

[babyzebra]

@jennatles I'm sorry for your loss. You can definitely ovulate before hcg returns to 0. I would also really recommend pushing to get your hcg tracked down to 0. I had a not pleasant experience earlier this year after my first loss when my hcg was not tracked down to zero. Good luck, and again, I'm really sorry for your loss.

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Oct 11, 2015 16:53:58 GMT -5 babyzebra said:

@jennatles I'm sorry for your loss. You can definitely ovulate before hcg returns to 0. I would also really recommend pushing to get your hcg tracked down to 0. I had a not pleasant experience earlier this year after my first loss when my hcg was not tracked down to zero. Good luck, and again, I'm really sorry for your loss.

Sorry to hear about your loss and experience following. I have the paper work for a single hcg blood draw on my fridge, Ill go to the blood work tomorrow and call my doctor for another req for a stand order to follow it to 0. My ultrasound on the 24th was empty - no sac, no pole not even any blood so there wasn't much to pass. Im assuming it's under 20 as im not turning cheapies just a FRER but blood work would be settling on the nerves. I read something about hcg leaving the blood first and then the urine so urine levels could be higher when blood levels have already reached 0. Google is unreliable though.

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How - up your fucking vag
When - as soon as the home pregnancy test is positive:

I'm not infertile, my body has failed to have viable pregnancies twice this year. Dafuq indeed.

[kawaiikitsune]

If your dr. said to wait two cycles, why did YH take that as an "all clear"? Why didn't you discuss it with YH and clear up any confusion? Why didn't you take responsibility instead of assuming he would pull out and just use a condom from the get-go? I truly am sorry for your losses but you really need to start advocating for yourself.

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Oct 11, 2015 17:23:17 GMT -5 @wickedcandy said:

Oct 11, 2015 17:20:18 GMT -5 @jennatles said:

How - up your fucking vag
When - as soon as the home pregnancy test is positive:

I'm not infertile, my body has failed to have viable pregnancies twice this year. Dafuq indeed.

Wow... Well fuck you.

Only after my next period.

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Oct 11, 2015 17:23:00 GMT -5 kawaiikitsune said:

If your dr. said to wait two cycles, why did YH take that as an "all clear"? Why didn't you discuss it with YH and clear up any confusion? Why didn't you take responsibility instead of assuming he would pull out and just use a condom from the get-go? I truly am sorry for your losses but you really need to start advocating for yourself.

3 doctors in ER said there was no need to wait, my doctor suggested waiting two cycles as to accurately no when to start the prometrium - unknowing whether or not it will be helpful.

[kawaiikitsune]

Oct 11, 2015 17:28:19 GMT -5 @jennatles said:

Oct 11, 2015 17:23:00 GMT -5 kawaiikitsune said:

If your dr. said to wait two cycles, why did YH take that as an "all clear"? Why didn't you discuss it with YH and clear up any confusion? Why didn't you take responsibility instead of assuming he would pull out and just use a condom from the get-go? I truly am sorry for your losses but you really need to start advocating for yourself.

3 doctors in ER said there was no need to wait, my doctor suggested waiting two cycles as to accurately no when to start the prometrium - unknowing whether or not it will be helpful.

Always follow the instructions of your usual obgyn. I am side-eye'ing the hell out of the fact that you went against the advice of your ob and, while tracking and being completely aware of your fertile signs, had unprotected sex. Regardless, any hcg still in your system is from your loss so I highly recommend not having any more unprotected sex and urging your ob to follow your levels down to 0.

[rablissful]

Oct 11, 2015 17:28:19 GMT -5 @jennatles said:

Oct 11, 2015 17:23:00 GMT -5 kawaiikitsune said:

If your dr. said to wait two cycles, why did YH take that as an "all clear"? Why didn't you discuss it with YH and clear up any confusion? Why didn't you take responsibility instead of assuming he would pull out and just use a condom from the get-go? I truly am sorry for your losses but you really need to start advocating for yourself.

3 doctors in ER said there was no need to wait, my doctor suggested waiting two cycles as to accurately no when to start the prometrium - unknowing whether or not it will be helpful.

I'm very sorry for your loss.

That being said ER doctors =/= your doctor. Your doctor knows you and your body much better than stranger doctors do. All doctors (including my midwife) I've heard of say to wait at least until after your first loss period so that dating is more accurate and so you can heal. If your doctor is suggesting two, that's what you should be going with. I agree with kawaiikitsune that you need to advocate for yourself, with your doctor for testing (new recommendation is RPL testing after two losses) and YH so you two are on the same page.

There is no need to get snarky and lash out at anyone. We're here to help.

[joy]

Well - I'm just going to say that none of what you listed confirms ovulation. There's no way to know if you did or you didn't at this point.

I hope things are clearer at the end of your cycle.

Good luck.

[rablissful]

I never followed my betas down to zero for either of my losses, it's not always necessary. I was just told that if my period didn't show up within 6 weeks I should call to see what was up.

I obviously had to have protected sex during that time since I didn't know if I was ovulating, and wouldn't know to test since I was waiting for my period.

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Oct 11, 2015 17:34:29 GMT -5 kawaiikitsune said:

Oct 11, 2015 17:28:19 GMT -5 @jennatles said:

3 doctors in ER said there was no need to wait, my doctor suggested waiting two cycles as to accurately no when to start the prometrium - unknowing whether or not it will be helpful.

Always follow the instructions of your usual obgyn. I am side-eye'ing the hell out of the fact that you went against the advice of your ob and, while tracking and being completely aware of your fertile signs, had unprotected sex. Regardless, any hcg still in your system is from your loss so I highly recommend not having any more unprotected sex and urging your ob to follow your levels down to 0.

Thanks, I've already mentioned countless times that our plan was to wait until december due to myself being in wedding parties for weddings in july & august next year, and on my OB's end to accurately know when to start the progesterone. All four doctors (ER (3) and my OB stated there was no risk for repeat miscarriage without waiting for AF, waiting is merely for EDD, emotional healing, and having a start date for prometrium - which may or may not be the reason for my recurrent losses.

No unprotected sex will be had. Like I've also said countless time I googled "resuming sex after MC" because after my d&c there was instructions for sex, tampon use and bath, and the "all clear" meant I'm good to have sex, My H thought the all clear meant we're good to start trying again - as he's heard from the ER phyisicans. Yes Im aware of the faults at place, but precautions and condoms weren't used, I have responsibility to watch for a HPT+ that's from a new pregnancy rather than the + today that was from my MC. I asked for a questions regarding ovulation with trace amounts of hcg, I got it, thanks.

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Oct 11, 2015 17:42:18 GMT -5 joy said:

Well - I'm just going to say that none of what you listed confirms ovulation. There's no way to know if you did or you didn't at this point.

I hope things are clearer at the end of your cycle.

Good luck.

I never confirmed ovulation, nor suggested I did.

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Oct 11, 2015 17:40:09 GMT -5 @wickedcandy said:

Oct 11, 2015 17:34:29 GMT -5 kawaiikitsune said:

Always follow the instructions of your usual obgyn. I am side-eye'ing the hell out of the fact that you went against the advice of your ob and, while tracking and being completely aware of your fertile signs, had unprotected sex. Regardless, any hcg still in your system is from your loss so I highly recommend not having any more unprotected sex and urging your ob to follow your levels down to 0.

It's called trying to get pg against the advice of your OB ( who knows the OP vs ER drs)... SMH

My OB doesn't know me well. I was followed my a midwife my first pregnancy, I happened upon her because of my first loss she was the surgeon on call. I've met her twice, once while unconscious.

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Oct 11, 2015 17:48:36 GMT -5 @sarahwithanh said:

I'm with @wickedcandy on this one. Honestly it feels like you are looking for us to disagree with your regular OB. Yes differnt doctors recommend different things, but you're OB knows you and your body best. They are the only one you should be listening to. also you posted on CAL with this too and this feels very "OMG guys, could I be pregnant? Its only mt 1st cycle." I do remember the fear and excitement of the first month trying, but this post just rubs me in the wrong way. You need to take a deep breath and talk to your doctor.

*P.s. NO ONE was or is side eying or criticizing your loss.

How would I be excited to pregnant on my first cycle if Im begging for fertility problems as wicked suggested. It took 6 cycles last time, I merely asked if you CAN ovulate with traces of hcg in the urine, if you could not then I wouldnt have any monitoring to do.

[kawaiikitsune]

The shade you are throwing is unnecessary. You stated in a previous post that your OB's advice was probably most valuable so then why are you even asking us and then getting your panties twisted when we try to help you?

ETA - Your stories are changing with every post. That is why people keep commenting. We're trying to get a bigger/better picture.

[ghostmonkey]

Oct 11, 2015 17:49:29 GMT -5 @jennatles said:

Oct 11, 2015 17:40:09 GMT -5 @wickedcandy said:

It's called trying to get pg against the advice of your OB ( who knows the OP vs ER drs)... SMH

My OB doesn't know me well. I was followed my a midwife my first pregnancy, I happened upon her because of my first loss she was the surgeon on call. I've met her twice, once while unconscious.

Ok. ER doctors are not OBs. They are completely clueless when it comes to pregnancy issues, especially early pregnancy issues.

Let's see how you try to change your story this time.

[joy]

Oct 11, 2015 17:47:23 GMT -5 @jennatles said:

Oct 11, 2015 17:42:18 GMT -5 joy said:

Well - I'm just going to say that none of what you listed confirms ovulation. There's no way to know if you did or you didn't at this point.

I hope things are clearer at the end of your cycle.

Good luck.

I never confirmed ovulation, nor suggested I did.

Yes... my point was that you could be worrying for nothing.