TTC since July 2014. CP March 2015. IVF #1 March 2016, 5R, 3M, 2F with ICSI. Transferred 2 on day 3. CP. Surprise BFP and then CP August 2016 (prep cycle for IVF). IVF #2: zero eggs retrieved IVF #3: 6R, 5M, 5F, 3 (2 8A and 1 11A) transferred, one "B" graded embryo frozen on day 5. BFP (at home 7dp3dt, confirmed 14dp3dt with 1552 beta) and U/S at 5w5d, 2 sacs and 2 yolks!
Ugh I'm so sorry. Can you do another IUI tomorrow to try to get more in there?
We are choosing not to since we are OOP. H is going to see a urologist as soon as possible. Then we'll probably move to IVF if possible. H is completely against donor sperm so I hope the urologist can help.
Ugh I'm so sorry. Can you do another IUI tomorrow to try to get more in there?
We are choosing not to since we are OOP. H is going to see a urologist as soon as possible. Then we'll probably move to IVF if possible. H is completely against donor sperm so I hope the urologist can help.
Many ladies have had excellent results working with a urologist, although it does take some time to see results. Between that it IVF (with ICSI) I can't think you'd need to be talking about donor sperm too much yet.
IUI 1-3 BFN IVF #1 - Oct '15 - 10R, 3M, 0F IVF #2 - August 16 - 12R, 11M, 5F. 1 to transfer and 2 to freeze - BFP!! - MMC caught at 7w5d FET #1 - 1/26 - BFP, due 10/14
We are choosing not to since we are OOP. H is going to see a urologist as soon as possible. Then we'll probably move to IVF if possible. H is completely against donor sperm so I hope the urologist can help.
Many ladies have had excellent results working with a urologist, although it does take some time to see results. Between that it IVF (with ICSI) I can't think you'd need to be talking about donor sperm too much yet.
Fx the urologist has some great ideas!
You're right. I'm just having a woe is me kind of day. And we actually mentioned donor sperm a looonnnggg time ago when we were throwing out ideas of what we would be ok with and what we wouldn't (IVF, adoption, donors sperm/eggs, etc).
I'm just feeling very defeated today. I appreciate all the support from you ladies tho. It's nice to have somewhere to bitch. I don't want to bitch to DH because I don't want him to feel worse than he already does. It's not his fault.
Many ladies have had excellent results working with a urologist, although it does take some time to see results. Between that it IVF (with ICSI) I can't think you'd need to be talking about donor sperm too much yet.
Fx the urologist has some great ideas!
You're right. I'm just having a woe is me kind of day. And we actually mentioned donor sperm a looonnnggg time ago when we were throwing out ideas of what we would be ok with and what we wouldn't (IVF, adoption, donors sperm/eggs, etc).
I'm just feeling very defeated today. I appreciate all the support from you ladies tho. It's nice to have somewhere to bitch. I don't want to bitch to DH because I don't want him to feel worse than he already does. It's not his fault.
Many ladies have had excellent results working with a urologist, although it does take some time to see results. Between that it IVF (with ICSI) I can't think you'd need to be talking about donor sperm too much yet.
Fx the urologist has some great ideas!
You're right. I'm just having a woe is me kind of day. And we actually mentioned donor sperm a looonnnggg time ago when we were throwing out ideas of what we would be ok with and what we wouldn't (IVF, adoption, donors sperm/eggs, etc).
I'm just feeling very defeated today. I appreciate all the support from you ladies tho. It's nice to have somewhere to bitch. I don't want to bitch to DH because I don't want him to feel worse than he already does. It's not his fault.
I'm sorry. Please don't think I was trying to tell you to suck it up or anything. I was shooting for encouraging!
IUI 1-3 BFN IVF #1 - Oct '15 - 10R, 3M, 0F IVF #2 - August 16 - 12R, 11M, 5F. 1 to transfer and 2 to freeze - BFP!! - MMC caught at 7w5d FET #1 - 1/26 - BFP, due 10/14
You're right. I'm just having a woe is me kind of day. And we actually mentioned donor sperm a looonnnggg time ago when we were throwing out ideas of what we would be ok with and what we wouldn't (IVF, adoption, donors sperm/eggs, etc).
I'm just feeling very defeated today. I appreciate all the support from you ladies tho. It's nice to have somewhere to bitch. I don't want to bitch to DH because I don't want him to feel worse than he already does. It's not his fault.
I'm sorry. Please don't think I was trying to tell you to suck it up or anything. I was shooting for encouraging!
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Well, we just got H's SA results back. Despite the low volume, they were able to do the analysis which was good. Count was great (41 million), motility was pretty good (37%), but morphology was 0%. ZERO percent. So there wasn't a single normal shaped sperm in the portion of the sample that they analyzed. The nurse explained that that doesn't mean there weren't any normal sperm in the entire sample, but still.
So they are recommending IVF with ICSI. The RE said that if we aren't ready for that, H can go to a urologist and do a repeat SA, and we can consider trying medicated IUI's first, but that the chance of success for those would probably be very low.
I just feel frustrated and sad. I don't think we're ready for IVF, but I also don't want to waste money on a urologist and IUI's etc. if they are unlikely to help. I spent a while reading through last week's GKU IF check-in because I remembered that butlerfan and wannabmama had similar situations. So thank you for your responses to those ladies last week. It sounds like when you just have bad morphology there usually isn't much that can be done.
I'm so sorry ceejay. I shared this anecdote last week, but at my husband's first SA his morph was at 2% but then after 8 weeks of taking CoQ10 and a multivitamin his morph jumped to 7%. I know that is anecdotal and may not help at all but perhaps it's something inexpensive and easy to try. They usually want you to wait a bit before doing a repeat SA anyway.
ceejay that sucks. But yup IVF (and possibly ICSI-have to go to different hospital and more meetings to discuss IVF in general) is where we are sitting due to H's test results and now mine as well.
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around it as well. So many hugs to you.
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Post by wannabmama on Oct 28, 2015 13:25:35 GMT -5
ceejay just jumping in as someone in a similar boat to offer a big hug. We are doing the medicated IUI now but know it's not going to improve our chances much with the mfi. I have hope though regardless (got to, right?) MH can't get to a urologist unless he pays OOP and getting him to do that is another challenge I'm just not ready for on top of everything else. I am trying to get him to try CoQ10 at least... And then I'm giving us a couple months to come around to IVF. It. Just. Sucks.
TTC since July 2014. CP March 2015. IVF #1 March 2016, 5R, 3M, 2F with ICSI. Transferred 2 on day 3. CP. Surprise BFP and then CP August 2016 (prep cycle for IVF). IVF #2: zero eggs retrieved IVF #3: 6R, 5M, 5F, 3 (2 8A and 1 11A) transferred, one "B" graded embryo frozen on day 5. BFP (at home 7dp3dt, confirmed 14dp3dt with 1552 beta) and U/S at 5w5d, 2 sacs and 2 yolks!
ceejay, We're in the same boat as well. We had 3-4 months to come to terms with possibly IVF before we were told IVF. All the feelings suck. I'm sorry.
Post by easilyunamused on Oct 28, 2015 14:07:49 GMT -5
Sorry ceejay. I know IVF is something we all have to think about, but it sucks when it starts to look like your only choice. Maybe he could take the supplements and vitamins and then re take the SA?
There's count, motility and morphology. Anything else? And what should those values be?
Also, my husband was given two out of those three right away and then told the third would not be available for a few weeks. I can't remember which one was delayed. I can check when I'm not mobile. Was this true for you all, too? Or is my crazy doctor still crazy?
There's count, motility and morphology. Anything else? And what should those values be?
Also, my husband was given two out of those three right away and then told the third would not be available for a few weeks. I can't remember which one was delayed. I can check when I'm not mobile. Was this true for you all, too? Or is my crazy doctor still crazy?
I think it's count, morph, mobility, motility? I'm pretty sure there are four categories.
We got MrRama's results the same day for all parameters checked.
EDIT: I don't remember the normal values for each, though.
There's count, motility and morphology. Anything else? And what should those values be?
Also, my husband was given two out of those three right away and then told the third would not be available for a few weeks. I can't remember which one was delayed. I can check when I'm not mobile. Was this true for you all, too? Or is my crazy doctor still crazy?
I hope it's okay if I poke back in here...
Yes. Count, motility, morphology, total count and volume are usually included in the test.
The normal values depend on which WHO criteria the lab is using. There is the Kruger (5th edition) or the older 4th edition. The Kruger is more strict, especially when it comes to morphology, as far as what they consider "normal." Some of the sperm that may fall outside of the criteria may still be capable of fertilizing an egg, so morphology is tricky. They also have grades of morphology that determine the severity of the abnormalities but that isn't always done.
Here are the normal values per the type of criteria used.
I would guess they might have left off morphology but normally they do include everything. My husband's count was too low to get an accurate morphology until much further into treatment when we saw some improvement, so we didn't have everything for a while.
There's count, motility and morphology. Anything else? And what should those values be?
Also, my husband was given two out of those three right away and then told the third would not be available for a few weeks. I can't remember which one was delayed. I can check when I'm not mobile. Was this true for you all, too? Or is my crazy doctor still crazy?
I hope it's okay if I poke back in here...
Yes. Count, motility, morphology, total count and volume are usually included in the test.
The normal values depend on which WHO criteria the lab is using. There is the Kruger (5th edition) or the older 4th edition. The Kruger is more strict, especially when it comes to morphology, as far as what they consider "normal." Some of the sperm that may fall outside of the criteria may still be capable of fertilizing an egg, so morphology is tricky. They also have grades of morphology that determine the severity of the abnormalities but that isn't always done.
Here are the normal values per the type of criteria used.
I would guess they might have left off morphology but normally they do include everything. My husband's count was too low to get an accurate morphology until much further into treatment when we saw some improvement, so we didn't have everything for a while.
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Actually I believe the "% normal form" is the morphology number. It looks like they are using the strict Kruger scale for that one.
Yes. Count, motility, morphology, total count and volume are usually included in the test.
The normal values depend on which WHO criteria the lab is using. There is the Kruger (5th edition) or the older 4th edition. The Kruger is more strict, especially when it comes to morphology, as far as what they consider "normal." Some of the sperm that may fall outside of the criteria may still be capable of fertilizing an egg, so morphology is tricky. They also have grades of morphology that determine the severity of the abnormalities but that isn't always done.
Here are the normal values per the type of criteria used.
I would guess they might have left off morphology but normally they do include everything. My husband's count was too low to get an accurate morphology until much further into treatment when we saw some improvement, so we didn't have everything for a while.
********siggy warning*************
Actually I believe the "% normal form" is the morphology number. It looks like they are using the strict Kruger scale for that one.
Correct. % normal forms = morphology. The Kruger (5th edition) is the left column and the 4th edition is the right column. Not all labs have switched to using the Kruger criteria yet. So, there is a difference when comparing an SA from one lab to another.
Can I just bitch for a minute about how much I hate doctor's offices? Is there one doctor's office out there that actually has their shit together? My REs office drew my blood a couple weeks ago to re-test my AMH and since I hadn't gotten the results back I called today to follow up. They said that there is no record of my blood sample and no record of results. Funny enough, they didn't have an issue billing me for the test, though. WTAF? I am supposed to trust these people with an IUI and sperm samples?
Can I just bitch for a minute about how much I hate doctor's offices? Is there one doctor's office out there that actually has their shit together? My REs office drew my blood a couple weeks ago to re-test my AMH and since I hadn't gotten the results back I called today to follow up. They said that there is no record of my blood sample and no record of results. Funny enough, they didn't have an issue billing me for the test, though. WTAF? I am supposed to trust these people with an IUI and sperm samples?
Uh yeah, I'd be watching every step of the way to make sure you're not making a baby with the guy who was in the room before YH. They need to get their shit together.
IUI 1-3 BFN IVF #1 - Oct '15 - 10R, 3M, 0F IVF #2 - August 16 - 12R, 11M, 5F. 1 to transfer and 2 to freeze - BFP!! - MMC caught at 7w5d FET #1 - 1/26 - BFP, due 10/14
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