So Unpopular.

[wegrowsheep]

Happy Thursday!

I think Target is kinda lame. Over-priced Walmart, with a lingering burnt popcorn smell.

[Bluedaisy]

wegrowsheep, I agree! I think I was the only person in Canda who did not care at all that they left. For me the only good thing about Target was that they had Starbucks.

[bookninja]

Oct 29, 2015 8:56:48 GMT -5 wegrowsheep said:

Happy Thursday!

I think Target is kinda lame. Over-priced Walmart, with a lingering burnt popcorn smell.

Target=awesome!
Walmart= scary... Although that might just be my Walmart... I've been in others that weren't that bad.
Amazon=even better! I can be in my pj's!
My UO: I hate scary movies. Any scary movie. Every scary movie. Even animated ones like Coraline. Even funny ones. The first jump scare or creepy music build up and I'm all "nope, nope, nope!" This is not a good time of year for me to be flicking through channels.

[dmoney]

OU- I dont give two shits if a person is white or black. Everyone should be taught to follow the rules and to listen to Authority. All of the media recently about the student who got thrown from her chair is mainly because of her skin color. It shouldnt matter. You should be taught at home that if a teacher or officer asks you to do something you listen. ( I DO NOT AGREE with what the resource officer did, and he deserves the punishment that he got) Bringing color into a subject of not respecting those in authority positions should never be the case. There is a video on facebook of a teacher who took a students cell phone being thrown to the ground going around. But no one is up in arms about that. Respect your elders, and those of authority and sh*t like this would never happen.

[erbear]

Target is a magical, beautiful place. I love how Target smells, too!

I used to work there, actually. It was a great job! My managers were really flexible with me working an afternoon job and I never worked weekends after a certain point (I was on the 4 am Sunday ad team for a bit). So I used to work m-f 8-1.

[carolyngrace]

Oct 29, 2015 9:51:39 GMT -5 dmoney said:

OU- I dont give two shits if a person is white or black. Everyone should be taught to follow the rules and to listen to Authority. All of the media recently about the student who got thrown from her chair is mainly because of her skin color. It shouldnt matter. You should be taught at home that if a teacher or officer asks you to do something you listen. ( I DO NOT AGREE with what the resource officer did, and he deserves the punishment that he got) Bringing color into a subject of not respecting those in authority positions should never be the case. There is a video on facebook of a teacher who took a students cell phone being thrown to the ground going around. But no one is up in arms about that. Respect your elders, and those of authority and sh*t like this would never happen.

That's great if YOU don't give a shit if someone is black or white, but that doesn't change the fact that black people are disproportionately arrested, harassed, and discriminated against in SO MANY ways. The reason people keep making a big deal when things happen to black people is that so many people in our country are in denial about how they continue to be treated. I (and they) will continue to make a big fuss and "make" race an issue until things begin to change. 

Also, I believe your last sentence is totally false. There are way too many stories about perfectly "respectful" people of color being brutalized. 

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Oct 29, 2015 10:16:21 GMT -5 Joolschweets said:

dmoney Ugh, no. First of all, you're saying that you don't agree with what the officer did & then you say but if the student "respected authority" it wouldn't have happened. That pretty much implies it was the fault of the student. Contradictory. Refusing to give up a cell phone/messing about in class is par for the course with teenagers. Its hardly massively disrespecting somebody, its just teenagers.

Secondly, race had nothing to do with it?! Open your eyes. Would he have done it if she was white?! I'm guessing not. If you've read some of his back story, this is a man accused several times prior to this of race-related violence throughout his employment. This is a man who has zero respect for a person of colour who took his disgust out on a black student for no good reason. That sounds pretty much like the definition of race hate to me. So yes, race does play a big role here.

All of this. Thank you

[dmoney]

Never said Racisms doesnt exists, and I did say that I do NOT agree with what the man did. No one Child, Adult, Black or White should be treated that way ever. But so many issues happen in schools where students are asked to do something and they dont listen. What happened to a parent teaching their kids that if you are asked to do something by your teacher that you listen? Its about basic respect. Color should not have any impact on if a person deserves respect or not. Everyone should be treated with the same level of respect. I also stated that I agree with the punishment that the resource officer received. If he has had issues in the past then he should never of been allowed back into the school or put into that type of a position to begin with. I clearly state that I said I DO NOT AGREE, none of us were there to be able to say what events lead up to what happened. We can only go off of what we saw on TV or on facebook or wherever it was that you saw the video. I also said that Race SHOULD NOT have anything to do with it. All kids disrespect their teachers all the time, but it should NEVER turn violent.

Everyone does have rights, but if a rule is in place i.e. no phones during class it needs to be upheld. Rules and Laws are in place for a reason. To teach a child that they do not have follow a rule or a law because they dont believe it is right is not the proper way to guide your children in life. Sorry if you dont agree with me on that one but thats how I feel.

[mrsdee1982]

Ok, first of all, Target is a magical wonderland. It could only be made better if I could have a glass of wine whilst wandering the countless aisles.

Second of all, 2 things can be right at the same time. Did that officer go WAY over the line? YES!! He did. And he should be fired, and I'm glad he was fired. He should also probably be charged with some sort of battery charge. BUT…was that girl also in the wrong? YES. Did she deserve to get beat like that? Of course not. But, she was doing something wrong to the point where the teacher had to call in the school's police officer. I'm not victim blaming here. I'm just saying that because the officers reaction was so horrible, everyone seems to be glossing over the fact that she was not an innocent bystander, and that drives me crazy.

ETA: Race totally had a role in this. 

[Deleted]

I'm having deja vu here of dmoney UO or FFFC last month where you said that the family of the black person who died in police custody should not have been awarded money before a trial and also that if he had never done something wrong in the first place he wouldn't have died. Pretty much implying that he asked for it.

You need to just lay off with the racist UOs.

[Deleted]

Oct 29, 2015 10:25:52 GMT -5 budders said:

I do not get the hype over the new Adele song. Yes, I love her voice and yes she's incredibly talented, but that song does nothing for me. I feel like I'm in an alternate dimension every time I hear people obsessing over it.

Noooo. I'm not an Adele fan but I'm obsessed with this song

[wegrowsheep]

Oct 29, 2015 10:40:59 GMT -5 mrsdee1982 said:

Ok, first of all, Target is a magical wonderland. It could only be made better if I could have a glass of wine whilst wandering the countless aisles.

Second of all, 2 things can be right at the same time. Did that officer go WAY over the line? YES!! He did. And he should be fired, and I'm glad he was fired. He should also probably be charged with some sort of battery charge. BUT…was that girl also in the wrong? YES. Did she deserve to get beat like that? Of course not. But, she was doing something wrong to the point where the teacher had to call in the school's police officer. I'm not victim blaming here. I'm just saying that because the officers reaction was so horrible, everyone seems to be glossing over the fact that she was not an innocent bystander, and that drives me crazy.

ETA: Race totally had a role in this. 

yes.
@jemomma re kids and authority: There is a time and place for standing up for what you believe is right. Disrupting class time because you refuse to follow school rules isn't it.
Kids have become seriously entitled and disrespectful. Not just teens, and not helped by some administration. It was a way bigger deal to our principal last year that my 5 yo DD chased a boy at recess and kissed him on the cheek than it was for a third grader to tell his teacher (DH) to fuck off. I have subbed in 7-12th grades for the last 7 years, and it has gotten way worse.
I'm not going to say a parent has to teach their kid not to swear (personal choice) but that language doesn't belong in class.

[nchauhan]

+1 on not liking target...it's way to hyped up. I always come out of there disappointed...I definitely don't have the same nirvana experience as my friends do when they shop there.

I'm with mrsdee1982, on this officer thing, the officer reacted to an unacceptable extreme but this student refused to put away her cell phone or leave the classroom when asked. It's not like she was just sitting there and got attacked. I understand when people say that 'I want my kids to stand up for their beliefs and not blindly obey authority', but that is not what this girl was doing. Joolschweets, mentioned that messing around in class and playing with cell phones is par for the course and not disrepectful. I strongly disagree, it may be par for the course, but I think it is very disrespectful and I think it's sad that we expect so little of students. Maybe I'm more sensitive to this because my mother is a professor, but I think if a teacher is asking you to put away your cell phone while you are in class, you need to do it. There isn't any moral gray area to me where the kid needs to disobey it. If a teacher told my kid to put away their phone, I'd be more upset that they didn't follow that simple rule/request than think the teacher was infringing on my kids rights. Yes, I've played on my phone during lecture on occasion, but I would never look a teacher in the face and refuse to put it away after they asked me to. I'm on their time in the classroom.

[nchauhan]

Thanks for clarifying, @jemomma! I was so confused when you posted that, especially since I usually agree with you!

[Deleted]

Oct 29, 2015 11:08:06 GMT -5 @jemomma said:

Just to clarify - When I say I do not want my kids to blindly follow authority, I am not referring to this case with the cell phone. This was a reaction to dmoney's original statement that one should be taught to follow authority no matter what the case. Sometimes authority deserves to be questioned.

Agree. Women would not have the right to vote if authority was always followed. Thank you suffragettes! Also, I've mentioned this before but my friend and I were almost kidnapped when a man told us he was a police officer and asked us to get in his car to 'head to the police station'. We ran like hell. I'm glad our parents taught us to question authority.

[wegrowsheep]

Oct 29, 2015 11:04:27 GMT -5 nchauhan said:

+1 on not liking target...it's way to hyped up. I always come out of there disappointed...I definitely don't have the same nirvana experience as my friends do when they shop there.

I'm with mrsdee1982, on this officer thing, the officer reacted to an unacceptable extreme but this student refused to put away her cell phone or leave the classroom when asked. It's not like she was just sitting there and got attacked. I understand when people say that 'I want my kids to stand up for their beliefs and not blindly obey authority', but that is not what this girl was doing. Joolschweets, mentioned that messing around in class and playing with cell phones is par for the course and not disrepectful. I strongly disagree, it may be par for the course, but I think it is very disrespectful and I think it's sad that we expect so little of students. Maybe I'm more sensitive to this because my mother is a professor, but I think if a teacher is asking you to put away your cell phone while you are in class, you need to do it. There isn't any moral gray area to me where the kid needs to disobey it. If a teacher told my kid to put away their phone, I'd be more upset that they didn't follow that simple rule/request than think the teacher was infringing on my kids rights. Yes, I've played on my phone during lecture on occasion, but I would never look a teacher in the face and refuse to put it away after they asked me to. I'm on their time in the classroom.

All this. And I've had kids forcibly removed from my classrooms for being obstinate, disrespectful little shits. One of them insisted on standing on her desk and flapping her arms like a bird. Just, no.
And completely agree on the lack of expectations on students. This is a big reason I'm homeschooling DD. Principal thinks teachers need to teach to the lowest student. Maybe this is a UO, but I think that's BS. There are kids that absolutely refuse to work and participate, and the rest of the class should be allowed to move on without them. What is the point of having the 4th grade curriculum if you're only going to teach the first half of it?
Oh yeah, and "social promotion" needs to stop.

I'll get off my soapbox now.

@jemomma I didn't see your post til after mine posted. agree.

[nchauhan]

@poppyc8, holy shit!!!! I don't think I was around when you mentioned that! That's terrifying! I'm glad you guys listened to your gut and ran away

[tiffbot]

I saw a point brought up yesterday saying look at the other students in class, they are just calmly sitting there. Maybe there's more to the video I haven't seen so correct me if I'm wrong. If that happened in my H's school kids would be freaking out, teachers would be freaking out, parents would be freaking out. The reactions by them is so, so sad. It's almost like they expected it to end like that. Someone had their phone out to record what they expected would happen. That's why we need to talk about racism.

I don't think its unpopular to think the rules were created to be followed equally. But the actions taken to enforce those rules need to be equal to everyone. And the fact that some people expect to be treated that way, while others don't, means there's an issue.

[mrsdee1982]

Joolschweets - I clearly said she did not deserve what happened to her. And, playing on your phone in class, after a teacher has repeatedly told you not to, or being a smart ass to your teacher does not make you an innocent bystander. She was being extremely disrespectful and breaking the schools rules. Now, if she had been sitting there, taking notes or quietly reading and that happened to her, then yes, she would have been an innocent bystander.

She broke the rules and deserved some sort of consequence, but not what happened to her. But people are portraying it as though she was just sitting there and then out of nowhere she was attacked. That is not the case here.

[hannahl201477]

Oct 29, 2015 11:19:07 GMT -5 Joolschweets said:

mrsdee1982 if she was playing with her phone or just being a general smartass then she was absolutely an innocent bystander IMO. She didn't do anything to warrant that level of rage.

I guess you're right nchauhan, playing with the phone in class is disrespectful but hell there's a lot worse. Having worked with some exceptionally troubled 15-19 year olds, there's a lot worse things could be happening in your classroom. My main argument really is the racism here though, not about young people demonstrating respect.

NO she didn't do anything to warrant the rage. But my gosh, just hand the damn phone over. I'm glad the officer lost his job. And who knows this may have still happened even if she did give the phone over. Race IS an issue. But so is a disrespectful entitled generation!

[nchauhan]

Oct 29, 2015 11:19:07 GMT -5 Joolschweets said:

mrsdee1982 if she was playing with her phone or just being a general smartass then she was absolutely an innocent bystander IMO. She didn't do anything to warrant that level of rage.

I guess you're right nchauhan, playing with the phone in class is disrespectful but hell there's a lot worse. Having worked with some exceptionally troubled 15-19 year olds, there's a lot worse things could be happening in your classroom. My main argument really is the racism here though, not about young people demonstrating respect.

Of course the student didn't deserve to get thrown around, but I still don't think she was an innocent bystander. Yes, there could be worse things in the classroom than disrespect.  There could always been something worse and more terrible happening, but that doesn't mean that students get a pass on basic respect of others.

[wegrowsheep]

Oct 29, 2015 12:09:28 GMT -5 Kristykristyleelee said:

Oct 29, 2015 9:51:39 GMT -5 dmoney said:

OU- I dont give two shits if a person is white or black. Everyone should be taught to follow the rules and to listen to Authority. All of the media recently about the student who got thrown from her chair is mainly because of her skin color. It shouldnt matter. You should be taught at home that if a teacher or officer asks you to do something you listen. ( I DO NOT AGREE with what the resource officer did, and he deserves the punishment that he got) Bringing color into a subject of not respecting those in authority positions should never be the case. There is a video on facebook of a teacher who took a students cell phone being thrown to the ground going around. But no one is up in arms about that. Respect your elders, and those of authority and sh*t like this would never happen.

Lastly, its UO, not OU.

Every week I notice this and every week it bugs me.

Unpopular Opinion.

However, I guess one could argue that it could be opinion, unpopular?

I was considering the possibility of that punctuation as well!

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Target is awesome.

Walmart scares me.

Racism totally had a role in the student-cop thing.

If my child refused to put their cell phone away in class or hand it over when asked, I would smack the shit out of him upside his entitled, bratty little head when he got home and cancel his plan. But I would also sue the shit out of a cop for throwing him across the room over a phone and non threatening belligerence because just hell fucking no. Anyone here who says otherwise if it was their own child in that situation is lying liar who lies.

My UO: I don't get the baby wrap thing. I do understand wearing babies because it is convenient and you want your hands free. I do have one carrier, ONE, to do that around the house, when we're hiking, out for the day, etc. I don't get the trend of having an entire wardrobe of wraps and carriers though.

[Flick]

Someone page me when parenting swoops in.
*patiently waiting with popcorn in hand*

[hannahl201477]

Oct 29, 2015 12:13:39 GMT -5 @jemomma said:

Oct 29, 2015 12:04:20 GMT -5 Kristykristyleelee said:

Just think about it, though. No one knows the situation of the girl involved here.  Yes, there are rules, yes, kids in school should respect authority, etc.  Also, this officer had a reputation of racist/harsh actions in the past.

What if she was worried that she wouldn't get her phone back? Or that he would break it? Or she wouldn't be able to contact her mom/family?

There could have been other reasons as to why she wouldn't just hand over her phone. I would have handed it over, and I would expect my child to, as well. But let's not dwell on the fact that she didn't hand her phone over - because what should have happened, by the grown up in an authoritative position, did not happen. Let's worry about holding the grown-up officer accountable for his behavior instead of qualifying his actions, however little, by saying she should have followed the rules and they wouldn't be there in the 1st place.

Could not agree more. Saying that the girl should have followed the rules is victim blaming, any way you spin it.  She is a child, the officer was not. He is in the wrong, she is not.

You're absolutely right he IS in the wrong and I'm not blaming her in the least. Like other people stated if it were my son he will know he better give the phone up. Regardless I will go crazy in anyone that touches him for something like that especially. I don't understand why police were involved in the first place... That's my question why could school officials not handle This situation? I haven't read up on it just watched part of the video. Another question why were the other students so calm? None of them even flinched. I guess they were scared but none even jumped. That's strange though still.

[alayne926]

Oct 29, 2015 12:46:06 GMT -5 hannahl201477 said:

Oct 29, 2015 12:13:39 GMT -5 @jemomma said:

Could not agree more. Saying that the girl should have followed the rules is victim blaming, any way you spin it.  She is a child, the officer was not. He is in the wrong, she is not.

You're absolutely right he IS in the wrong and I'm not blaming her in the least. Like other people stated if it were my son he will know he better give the phone up. Regardless I will go crazy in anyone that touches him for something like that especially. I don't understand why police were involved in the first place... That's my question why could school officials not handle This situation? I haven't read up on it just watched part of the video. Another question why were the other students so calm? None of them even flinched. I guess they were scared but none even jumped. That's strange though still.

School resource officers are officers that work for the district to assist teachers in dealing with potentially dangerous situations and overall school safety.  However, I think they are used too frequently in what should be a minor offence.  Teachers use them to deal with the kids that they don't want to deal with.  

It's sad that the kids in the class didn't seem affected (effected...hmmm...I think it's affected) by the interaction. Clearly, they are used to the behavior of the "adult" in this situation. 

[kemdupuis]

I detest Walmart (will not shop there) and don't really care for Target either, but feel it is the lesser of two evils. I'd prefer to get my various household/beauty/personal products either in the grocery store or avoid the store all together and order from Amazon. Those big "bargain" stores give me the heebie jeebies- to the point of having a full on panic attack in Walmart before.

eta: I'm not touching the dmoney comment with a 10 foot pole. I feel like Joolschweets and several of the rest of you have my sentiments covered. That take down on the student was 100% NOT ok, and was absolutely race related.     

[Flick]

I LOVE Walmart!! Target's alright. I prefer Meijer over target though. I've gotten two of my favorite coats from Meijer.

[ravinraven216]

I don't think parents should have their kids ears pierced before the child is old enough to consent to the procedure.

I also think ear gages are gross, especially the really large ones.

[erbear]

I'd like to add that I've never once been taught to teach to the lowest student. Ever. In fact, we're taught to differentiate learning so students can learn at their own pace. This has been consistent at every school I've been to.

Not touching the race thing except to say you're lying to yourself if you say race isn't An issue.