And come on @poppyc8, let's keep this a civil discussion. No need to get hostile or put words in my mouth.
I don't feel I'm being hostile. Just calling it as I see it. I'm not sure what you mean. On the one hand you are saying you don't think sleepovers with adult men and young boys are appropriate and then on the other hand you are saying you feel he was innocent.
And come on @poppyc8 , let's keep this a civil discussion. No need to get hostile or put words in my mouth.
I don't feel I'm being hostile. Just calling it as I see it. I'm not sure what you mean. On the one hand you are saying you don't think sleepovers with adult men and young boys are appropriate and then on the other hand you are saying you feel he was innocent.
I agree with the court's decision that there was not enough evidence to suggest he molested those 3 boys. The sleepovers, while weird and non appropriate by my standards, were not illegal.
@hazeldublin please watch the Ron Howard documentary in the shadow of the moon
The cinematography is amazing and they have extensive footage of the landing in addition to interviews with some of the astronauts. I remember watching it for the first time while I was on a business trip in Japan and feeling very isolated. a lot of the focus of the film shows the first person account of how isolated it feels to be out in space and also just how intelligent and brave these men were to be the first to do this.
And come on @poppyc8 , let's keep this a civil discussion. No need to get hostile or put words in my mouth.
I don't feel I'm being hostile. Just calling it as I see it. I'm not sure what you mean. On the one hand you are saying you don't think sleepovers with adult men and young boys are appropriate and then on the other hand you are saying you feel he was innocent.
In all fairness, appropriate and innocent are two very different things. Just because something may not be appropriate, does not mean the inappropriate act commits any crime.
(Again, I think MJ was guilty AF…just playing devils advocate here).
I don't feel I'm being hostile. Just calling it as I see it. I'm not sure what you mean. On the one hand you are saying you don't think sleepovers with adult men and young boys are appropriate and then on the other hand you are saying you feel he was innocent.
I agree with the court's decision that there was not enough evidence to suggest he molested those 3 boys. The sleepovers, while weird and non appropriate by my standards, were not illegal.
In many sexual abuse cases there is no evidence. Especially when time has passed. There is only a he said she said account of what happened.
I don't know if it's random but I'll call some bullshit on Columbus Day.
yes all the random like MLK, Columbus, Presidents...those types.
ETA: sorry just seeing stuff between the MJ posts. I'm sure teachers out of all of them would deserve the days off more than others but I mean it in the way of if you are going to give the day off then give the damn day off to everyone. It didn't bother me as much before but now that I have to take a friggen PTO day because daycare is closed for a bullshit holiday it irks me.
So veggiemo, just to clarify, are you saying that you think he was innocent or are you saying that the court did they right thing in finding him innocent because of the lack of evidence? Two very different things.
I was doubtful he actually molested those boys. When the court came to their decision, it solidified my doubts. So no, I don't think he did it. If something came out proving he for sure did do it, I wouldn't be extremely shocked or anything, but my opinion, as it stands today, is that molestation didn't happen.
I agree with the court's decision that there was not enough evidence to suggest he molested those 3 boys. The sleepovers, while weird and non appropriate by my standards, were not illegal.
In many sexual abuse cases there is no evidence. Especially when time has passed. There is only a he said she said account of what happened.
Which is why if someone claims they were molested or raped, we can't just automatically assume it to be the truth. I'm not some huge MJ supporter rallying for him with signs outside the courthouse. I'm just forming an opinion from what I saw in the media. Those people who let their kids go over there for overnights with a very obviously weird guy are messed up. That didn't make anyone think twice about the allegations? I really didn't know this was THAT odd of a stance.
veggiemo, I'm with you on this one. I think often the media only tells half of the story and we LOVE a scandal and a scapegoat. Add in a weirdo millionaire and that shit sells tons of papers regardless of the facts. As of right now, barring new facts coming to light I don't believe there is enough evidence to say he did it and I truly believe in the idea of innocent until proven guilty.
Post by carolyngrace on Jan 14, 2016 18:18:58 GMT -5
Re: sleepovers with men and young boys... what about women and young girls? As a kid I went to sleepovers with other girls at a woman's houser from my church. Now, as an adult, I've hosted sleepovers with young girls from my church. Is it just weird because we automatically think men are creeps if they like kids? Or is my situation weird to you all too?
Re: sleepovers with men and young boys... what about women and young girls? As a kid I went to sleepovers with other girls at a woman's houser from my church. Now, as an adult, I've hosted sleepovers with young girls from my church. Is it just weird because we automatically think men are creeps if they like kids? Or is my situation weird to you all too?
It would all be weird to me unless it was someone I knew really well or was a family member.
I guess they all know me really well... 5+ years at the same church and living within blocks from one another. Plus I teach sunday school to their kids.
Ok, I have a real one! My O, U is that I don't have emotions when a celebrity dies. It sounds cold hearted, but I just don't feel any amount of sadness other then, "oh someone died, that sucks". I will say 2 exceptions when I can really remember being slightly upset were 1. Michael Jackson and 2. Whitney Houston. Otherwise I usually...don't care?
Dude, I cried when I heard about David Bowie on Monday. I also fucking bawled my eyes out over Jerry Garcia and Kurt Cobain. But they were all more than human so totally justified.
ETA now that I've read it all:
do not miss pregnancy but miss the anticipation.
team minivan. Most people who say they hate them have never driven one for a period of time and have no clue. Andplusalso, no one thinks your cool in your current car so the "it's not cool" isn't an excuse.
Give me all the pedicures.
I mostly hate social media but like that I can keep up with family and friends on FB. But I refuse to have any account other than there.
My kid is that one who will correct the teacher on Columbus and tell her, in front of the class, that he was 1. Lost and 2. A murdering POS. Notsorry
+1 for not believing the moon landing really happened
Post by hannahl201477 on Jan 14, 2016 19:12:45 GMT -5
This may not be much of an UO but I'm so tired of mom shaming. I don't care if a mom chooses to BF in public in the slightest. I do realize some people do and that's crazy. But I am tired of breast is best, I know that's been said here before. But this group on FB is a bf group and a couple "friends" share their posts. Tonight it's about one saying they don't care if how a mother chooses to feed the baby. Blah blah blah. Then is says something about the "risks of formula". Like for real?? How can you say you don't care then say that?
yes all the random like MLK, Columbus, Presidents...those types.
ETA: sorry just seeing stuff between the MJ posts. I'm sure teachers out of all of them would deserve the days off more than others but I mean it in the way of if you are going to give the day off then give the damn day off to everyone. It didn't bother me as much before but now that I have to take a friggen PTO day because daycare is closed for a bullshit holiday it irks me.
I would be careful when classifying MLK day as a random holiday because it does hold a lot of meaning to a lot of people.
I'm not saying anything about the fact that it is a holiday and I even said that it's not to take away from celebrating the accomplishments of those that they are named for ( except for Columbus because no one likes him haha). I mentioned it because it's this week and why they came to mind to begin with but there are plenty of the added in holidays that don't have to do with the "traditional" (I guess that's how you'd describe them) holidays. I'm just that it's annoying that only SOME things are closed those days and not all making it unpopular with me that I have to use a day off because day care is closed.
It would all be weird to me unless it was someone I knew really well or was a family member.
^^ this. Both scenarios are weird to me, guy or girl. What is it that you can't accomplish during the day? I can't think of scenario where I would let my daughter sleep over at someone's house if it wasn't family or at the house of friend of similar age (later on).
One of my best friend's moms was an elementary school teacher and while we were in high school she had a slumber party for all of the girls. We were there and had a blast with them!
My mom is a school Librarian and used to do an all night party as a reward for a reading program.
Neither situation was one on one but just making a point that I think there are cases where a slumber party at an adult's house other than family isn't weird.
I shall provide my opinion on all the things like JBC I never thought I'd ever want to be pregnant again, but I'm finally in a place where I could be excited about it again. Just not now... Don't want to minivan on principal. I'm in denial - they are super practical Pedicures yes. Manicures ok if someone else is paying - otherwise waste of money for me. Plus I can't sit still that long. I like playing in private groups on FB - I have a few cool groups of moms, plus I like helping with cloth diapers Really all sleepovers are kinda weird. I'm cool with late night get-togethers, but why the need to sleep over? I know I loved them as a kid, but there were only a select few people we could sleep over with. Not sure that we'll let Z do sleepovers. I'm with carolyngrace on Internet safety. I don't side-eye anyone who wants to be cautious, I'm just not too concerned about it personally. Back to the FB groups, my real name is on there and I interact with plenty of people I don't know so meh :/. Just please don't go waiting for me at one of my favorite local restaurants. I don't want to die eating BBQ.
I'm a firm supporter of all federal holidays in the US. Compared to other countries, we don't have that many. Try looking up countries with the most paid federal holidays! To me, our federal holidays are symbolic and are well deserved to be commemorated ( I get the argument against Columbis Day though)- MLK Day, Presidents Day, Memorial Day, July 4th, etc... Plus, it doesn't hurt to give overworked and probably underpaid Americans a paid day off . For those complaining about schools being closed while their work remains open, that's corporate America for you.
+1 on being cautious with anything Internet related. The world is a scary place yo!
O,U - FB is now a hub for all things stupid. I have almost deactivated many times, but hesitate because there are some people on there that I like to have a line of communication open with.
I deactivated right before Thanksgiving. While I miss some people my life is so less stressful (or less dramatic? ) for the few people I still want to keep up with I have logged onto DHs 3 or 4 times.
This may not be much of an UO but I'm so tired of mom shaming. I don't care if a mom chooses to BF in public in the slightest. I do realize some people do and that's crazy. But I am tired of breast is best, I know that's been said here before. But this group on FB is a bf group and a couple "friends" share their posts. Tonight it's about one saying they don't care if how a mother chooses to feed the baby. Blah blah blah. Then is says something about the "risks of formula". Like for real?? How can you say you don't care then say that?
Are you saying that bf in public is crazy?
& as a FFing mom I have never felt personally attacked from a BFing mom. There ARE risks with formula feeding. It is scientifically proven that breast milk is best for babies. To me, BFing is an accomplishment and should be celebrated by everyone. I feel so happy for my mom friends who are able to BF. It's such a difficult thing to master. Personally FFing worked better for me and my family but I don't feel offended when someone says "breast is best" because breast IS best. I don't really know your situation but from what you described they aren't attacking you.
This may not be much of an UO but I'm so tired of mom shaming. I don't care if a mom chooses to BF in public in the slightest. I do realize some people do and that's crazy. But I am tired of breast is best, I know that's been said here before. But this group on FB is a bf group and a couple "friends" share their posts. Tonight it's about one saying they don't care if how a mother chooses to feed the baby. Blah blah blah. Then is says something about the "risks of formula". Like for real?? How can you say you don't care then say that?
Are you saying that bf in public is crazy?
& as a FFing mom I have never felt personally attacked from a BFing mom. There ARE risks with formula feeding. It is scientifically proven that breast milk is best for babies. To me, BFing is an accomplishment and should be celebrated by everyone. I feel so happy for my mom friends who are able to BF. It's such a difficult thing to master. Personally FFing worked better for me and my family but I don't feel offended when someone says "breast is best" because breast IS best. I don't really know your situation but from what you described they aren't attacking you.
No no no! I said I don't care if someone breastfed in public. I have friends that do it! I tried to breastfeed for a month and just gave up. Never said it was personal it just irratates me with mom shaming and it happens a lot. No I have never been attacked BC I FF, I just think everyone should support everyone. I guess I didn't make my point clear bc you better believe I wish I was breastfeeding! Mom shaming is very real. If you work or not, bottle feed or BF, cloth diaper or not, give your kid chicken nuggets, the list goes on and on.
Flick so my friend who had absolutely no problem bf and it came super wonderfully naturally easily to her should be celebrated for her accomplishments but since I got no milk at all and my child would have starved TO DEATH so I formula feed I shouldn't be?
This is why people feel attacked by the whole breast is best thing. I would have given my right arm to breast feed, it wasn't in the cards for us so for my baby breast wasn't best.
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