Put all things sleep here

[heartofglass]

Good luck belle0720. I think I'm going to try stretching out feeding times too. If that's possible without H's help...I know it's partially my fault too that he's nursing so frequently because like @imapenguin said its the fastest and easiest was to get him back to sleep at night.

[belle0720]

Last night was sooo much better than the night before! H and I had a talk in the morning about trying to stretch her feedings and him helping out. So last night G woke 3 times, but I only fed her once and the 2 other times H got her back to sleep quickly by giving her her pacifier and rubbing her back a bit. She used to never take her pacifier in the MOTN so we were surprised. God I hope this means she's done with her streak of 4+ MOTN wake ups!! Knock on wood.

[pghtruelove]

Omg. I can't do this anymore. Jules is up every 30-45 mins unless she is attached to my boob, or sleeping on top of us on the couch. Every time we put her down in her crib or even in our bed she wakes up after 30-45 mins. This has been going on for almost a week. Send help.

[wegrowsheep]

Apr 24, 2016 23:26:36 GMT -5 pghtruelove said:

Omg. I can't do this anymore. Jules is up every 30-45 mins unless she is attached to my boob, or sleeping on top of us on the couch. Every time we put her down in her crib or even in our bed she wakes up after 30-45 mins. This has been going on for almost a week. Send help.

That was T last week. fx it stops soon.

[jillywilly]

Apr 25, 2016 7:42:33 GMT -5 @scoop said:

The last couple of weeks N has been up to eat no less than 2 times a night. I know that's not a lot compared to some but the anxiety I'm having over it is giving me terrible insomnia and I am struggling. I know she can STTN, she has done it a handful of times. She definitely hungry when she's up so I'm going to try and night wean her, I guess? Any suggestions? Should I slowly decrease both bottles/oz or do one at a time? I'm so frustrated and desperate I'm afraid I'm just going to screw her up more.

I keep reading suggestions of feeding her more during the day but she literally refuses anything more than we already give her. It probably doesn't help that she is eating at least 2 full bottles at night?

I don't know if we should try forgoing the few solids she does eat in an effort to get her to take her bottes better? But then she's almost a year old so that seems pointless given the transition soon.

Gah.

This was my kid to a T. We night weaned, and while it wasn't easy, we're going on two weeks of the earliest he's woken for a bottle being about 3:30 a.m., with full on STTN about half the time now, so worth it. We started by simply decreasing the night bottles. During the day, he gets 6 oz, so we started just doing 4 oz at night. Then, after a week or two, we decided if he woke before X time, he would get 3 oz of water with 1 scoop of formula. If he made it past that time, he'd get a normal 4 oz (sounds convoluted, but we realized that if we gave him the mini bottle after he'd made it more than 7 hours or so, he wouldn't settle down again). There were some times we would try to battle him to get him down without a bottle at all if he woke early, but that rarely worked, which is why we came up with the mini-bottle and the regular nighttime bottle. Now, we're at a point if he wakes before 3 (which he rarely does), we can 99% of the time settle him with a pacifier, if he wakes between 3 and 6, he gets 4 oz, and anytime after 6 he gets a normal bottle because at that point he's up for the day anyway. I hope that makes sense, it was a complicated, long road, and I'm sure I'm jinxing myself now, but even though we're not really consistently STTN, we're 8,000 times better than before, and it sounds like our kids had really similar night issues. Good luck!

ETA - I think DS sleeping better/night weaning has 0% to do with solids vs. bottle, because while all this happened, he actually went through a spell of eating really poorly during the day, which I'm convinced was related to teeth. I think he just slowly needed to understand that he wasn't going to be getting an all-you-can-eat buffet at night anymore.

[jillywilly]

Apr 25, 2016 8:28:13 GMT -5 @scoop said:

jillywilly that's super helpful and gives me hope. We did a normal 11pm 6oz bottle and then at 3 I did a regular 4oz bottle instead of 6 and she actually still settled and slept until 530. Did you notice him start eating more during the day since you've done hat or do you think it was just a sleep association and unrelated to actual caloric need?

Thanks for the advice and commiseration.

No problem! It sucks to be there, I know. I haven't really noticed a major increase in daytime intake - he eats a little more solids, maybe - but that could also be him maturing/related to his graduation to the next room in day care being with older babies. I really felt it was mostly a sleep association, especially since he would normally settle pretty easily after just the 3 oz water/1 scoop formula bottle. We also changed up his bedtime routine when we were working on the night weaning so that we do bottle, then bath, jammies, a song still to try and break that associate of eating to sleep. The sleep website I read said if you need, you can also go down to just a straight bottle of a couple oz water, but we never did that. It was a really slow process, we've been working on this for quite a few weeks, but I liked that while we were doing this, we still could just get up, feed him, and go back to sleep, there wasn't ever really that huge battle/letting him cry, because we realized that he could cry a LONG time if he wanted a bottle.

[pghtruelove]

budders sending hugs back. I hope V feels better soon!

[beersandweirs]

Our LO is the same in that she tends to get more worked up if you go in there to try to settle her, but aren't offering food, so in general we just let her figure it out on her own.

[erbear]

LO skipped her second nap and fell asleep a half hour early on our walk tonight (so, 6:30). H and I got her inside, dressed for bed, nursed, and down by 6:45.

And of course she woke up at 7:10 and is still awake, nursing for the the third time. I need to pump tonight & I was in the middle of making some lactation treats. Ugh.

[beersandweirs]

Has anyone's baby dropped down to 1 nap yet? Or any mom's BTDT, when did your kid drop to 1 nap? I read online that it usually happens between 12-18 months, but it seems like LO is fighting her afternoon nap more and more. Any tips to get her to keep taking it more consistently?

[beersandweirs]

Hugs, budders I know sleep is hard to come by for you!

[tiffbot]

Apr 26, 2016 10:36:49 GMT -5 beersandweirs said:

Has anyone's baby dropped down to 1 nap yet? Or any mom's BTDT, when did your kid drop to 1 nap? I read online that it usually happens between 12-18 months, but it seems like LO is fighting her afternoon nap more and more. Any tips to get her to keep taking it more consistently?

Yep. I dropped her morning nap about 2-3 weeks ago. I was having such a hard time finding a balance between forcing her to nap, being there for DS and not leaving him alone so long while I always failed to get DD down, and it has helped both of them have longer afternoon naps or quiet time because the fear of missing out on each other has settled down. It saved my sanity quite a bit, even though she has some days she starts to get tired a little earlier than nap time.

[beersandweirs]

LO is fighting her nap, but also is a pretty cranky mess by bedtime if she doesn't take the afternoon nap. I suppose we could try to push back her morning nap, but I am not ready to be done with two naps yet...

[beersandweirs]

Yeah, it's always the afternoon nap that she fights, morning is pretty easy, and honestly she seems pretty tired for that morning one, I think it would be hard to push it back too much. Maybe she isn't dropping down to one nap,but then I don't know what is going on.

[musicfrk2002]

J has only been taking one nap most of the time. We were in the car a lot Sunday so he took 2 or 3 naps that day, but he hasn't napped at daycare in quite some timr. He fights me until he has been up for 4 to 5 hours, then will nap for about an hour and a half, then is awake until bedtime around 730 or 8.

[jillywilly]

Apr 26, 2016 12:16:56 GMT -5 beersandweirs said:

Yeah, it's always the afternoon nap that she fights, morning is pretty easy, and honestly she seems pretty tired for that morning one, I think it would be hard to push it back too much. Maybe she isn't dropping down to one nap,but then I don't know what is going on.

This is DS. Today my MIL watched him and he took a two hour nap in the morning, but she said he fought her hard and then only napped a half hour in the afternoon. Yesterday at day care he napped an hour in the late morning and that was it. So I have wondered if he's trying to drop to just one nap, but he does nap better for us when it's just me and/or H at home though, so I think he just has major FOMO, since my MIL also brings our five year old niece when she watches him.

[belle0720]

Has anyone heard of the dockatot?

G has been sleeping soooo much better since starting using the Zipadee Zip this weekend, I'm amazed. I mean we went from a few weeks of 4 MOTN feedings down to 1 and have actually been able to get her back to sleep in seconds by giving her a pacifier. She even took the paci from me last night, which she has never done before MOTN (because she knows I'm the milk maid). I think she's just not waking up as fully as she was before. Or maybe it's total coincidence, but even looking at my sleep history on my fitbit is crazy. Last Tuesday night I had 3 times awake and 12 times restless (26 mins total), last night 0 times awake and 3 times restless (5 mins total). Knock on wood.

So anyways I just read about the Dockatot which is also supposed to reduce the startle reflex and simulate a womb-like environment, similar to the Zipadee Zip. They're pricey but I'm sooo tempted to buy one. You can apparently (safely) put them in bassinets and cribs too and I imagine it'd really help us transition G from our bed to the crib. I'm such an easy sell, but I want to do more homework before taking the plunge.

[heartofglass]

I saw it online a while ago. If I wasn't so pricey I was going to buy it.

[belle0720]

@scoop Yeah the price seems pretty outrageous, I had found one on ebay for cheaper but looks like the seller canceled the auction. Not a stupid question about the startle reflex, I have no idea, maybe not! But I imagine it's a good transition from swaddling. I've never heard of the pool noodle idea, I'll have to look it up. I wish I had started looking into ideas to help G sleep better earlier on.

[belle0720]

budders Cute print! I wish the used ones were cheaper too, we'll probably make another so G doesn't have to wear the same one every single night.

[sammyca]

Anyone had any success with getting your LOs to sleep a little later?

Freddie has given up his 4am feed but replaced it with waking at 5-5.30am wide awake. I only want him to get to 6am when H gets up but nothing I'm doing is working. He won't nurse back to sleep and rocking and patting just seems to rile him up.

[beersandweirs]

Apr 27, 2016 18:55:13 GMT -5 sammyca said:

Anyone had any success with getting your LOs to sleep a little later?

Freddie has given up his 4am feed but replaced it with waking at 5-5.30am wide awake. I only want him to get to 6am when H gets up but nothing I'm doing is working. He won't nurse back to sleep and rocking and patting just seems to rile him up.

Following this, because we're here, too. In addition to her occasionally not taking her afternoon nap I am worried she's not getting enough sleep.

[billyhorrible]

Apr 27, 2016 18:55:13 GMT -5 sammyca said:

Anyone had any success with getting your LOs to sleep a little later?

Freddie has given up his 4am feed but replaced it with waking at 5-5.30am wide awake. I only want him to get to 6am when H gets up but nothing I'm doing is working. He won't nurse back to sleep and rocking and patting just seems to rile him up.

If you figure it out, lemme know. We've been working on getting LBB to sleep later for almost 3 years.

[Deleted]

Apr 26, 2016 10:36:49 GMT -5 beersandweirs said:

Has anyone's baby dropped down to 1 nap yet? Or any mom's BTDT, when did your kid drop to 1 nap? I read online that it usually happens between 12-18 months, but it seems like LO is fighting her afternoon nap more and more. Any tips to get her to keep taking it more consistently?

Ali had only 1 nap yesterday and it didn't go well. Bedtime was way harder and she was grumpy all day. She def still needs her morning nap even if it's only 30 min

[Deleted]

Apr 27, 2016 23:15:20 GMT -5 @poppyc8 said:

Apr 26, 2016 10:36:49 GMT -5 beersandweirs said:

Has anyone's baby dropped down to 1 nap yet? Or any mom's BTDT, when did your kid drop to 1 nap? I read online that it usually happens between 12-18 months, but it seems like LO is fighting her afternoon nap more and more. Any tips to get her to keep taking it more consistently?

Ali had only 1 nap yesterday and it didn't go well. Bedtime was way harder and she was grumpy all day. She def still needs her morning nap even if it's only 30 min

I just read your original post and in answer to your 2nd question they usually drop to 1 nap between 12-24 months. The first thing to do when you see this happening is to extend the morning awake time a bit and also don't push for them to sleep that long in the morning. then eventually they have 1 mid day nap. So they nap from 11-1 or 12-2. Then when they are 2 or so the nap can be from 1-3. If you get lucky and have a 2 Hr napper. A good thing to do when they go to 1 nap is to move their bedtime up to 7 because if they nap from 11-1 it a long stretch to go to 8pm. Just my opinions based on DS.

[carolyngrace]

Apr 27, 2016 18:55:13 GMT -5 sammyca said:

Anyone had any success with getting your LOs to sleep a little later?

Freddie has given up his 4am feed but replaced it with waking at 5-5.30am wide awake. I only want him to get to 6am when H gets up but nothing I'm doing is working. He won't nurse back to sleep and rocking and patting just seems to rile him up.

Yes, we've gone from 6pm bedtime to 7:30/8 pm. Basically by fighting and pushing both naps and bedtime gradually later for the past 2 months. When he wakes up around 5 (which is often) I nurse him without eye contact and put him right back in the crib. Sometimes he cries, sometimes he plays for 20 minutes, but he almost always falls back asleep. I have noticed that his naps are getting shorter though, so I think if I let him get up earlier he'd probably nap better. It seems like they're all trying to decrease sleep right now, whether it's by dropping a nap, waking earlier, etc...

[heartofglass]

If it wasn't Saturday (it is Saturday, right?) I would be at my wits end. A will only sleep by himself for around 45 minutes then he's up screaming unless I pick him up. So I've been sleeping with him in arms all night. That's bad enough. But he has been up at 3 for the past few nights crying whether I'm holding him or not and only settling for about 15-20 minutes at a time. He's not hungry, he'll nurse but it doesn't help or prolong his sleep at all.
Finally I woke him up completely about 5am and then he laid down with me and just sat there quietly with his eyes open for about 5 minutes then went to sleep for an hour. I just don't know why he's waking up crying constantly. Can it just be teeth? Tylenol doesn't help.

[periwinkledaydreams]

Apr 28, 2016 8:24:07 GMT -5 @poppyc8 said:

Apr 27, 2016 23:15:20 GMT -5 @poppyc8 said:

Ali had only 1 nap yesterday and it didn't go well. Bedtime was way harder and she was grumpy all day. She def still needs her morning nap even if it's only 30 min

I just read your original post and in answer to your 2nd question they usually drop to 1 nap between 12-24 months. The first thing to do when you see this happening is to extend the morning awake time a bit and also don't push for them to sleep that long in the morning. then eventually they have 1 mid day nap. So they nap from 11-1 or 12-2. Then when they are 2 or so the nap can be from 1-3. If you get lucky and have a 2 Hr napper. A good thing to do when they go to 1 nap is to move their bedtime up to 7 because if they nap from 11-1 it a long stretch to go to 8pm. Just my opinions based on DS.

Sooo this is exactly whats happening most days to our morning nap. She gets tired around 10 still but as per Jasmine fights her sleep tooth and nail and takes FOR EV ER to actually go down for it, and ends up sleeping round about 11 to 1. So what we wind up with is a screwed up afternoon, because she cannot possibly make it from 1 til bedtime without another nap, but she gets tired at like 4. She doesn't fight that quite as hard and catnaps like 4:45 til 5:30 then wakes up for dinner. I don't know how to change this. Y'all already know her overnight sleep is all sorts of effed, and that remains a problem. I don't even know anymore, I just let us sleep whenever we do because we're getting so little.

[bookninja]

Apr 30, 2016 6:20:14 GMT -5 heartofglass said:

If it wasn't Saturday (it is Saturday, right?) I would be at my wits end. A will only sleep by himself for around 45 minutes then he's up screaming unless I pick him up. So I've been sleeping with him in arms all night. That's bad enough. But he has been up at 3 for the past few nights crying whether I'm holding him or not and only settling for about 15-20 minutes at a time. He's not hungry, he'll nurse but it doesn't help or prolong his sleep at all.
Finally I woke him up completely about 5am and then he laid down with me and just sat there quietly with his eyes open for about 5 minutes then went to sleep for an hour. I just don't know why he's waking up crying constantly. Can it just be teeth? Tylenol doesn't help.

Us too. No ideas, just commiseration.

[billyhorrible]

Apr 30, 2016 6:20:14 GMT -5 heartofglass said:

I just don't know why he's waking up crying constantly. Can it just be teeth? Tylenol doesn't help.

This is is during teething. We've found ibuprofen to be more effective than Tylenol. And time.