Because I agree. Pack and play, car seat, highchar, whatever. Put them some place safe while you're loading the car, no need to have H do it night before.
Post by periwinkledaydreams on Jul 29, 2016 12:35:29 GMT -5
The kids in the car for a minute in the driveway thing I can see being totally different on an individual basis. Same with crib/pack-n-play inside while you're outside. I wouldn't be comfortable doing this but I can see how in a different house setup it would be okay. What I can't get behind at all are things like going inside a gas station to pay, or kid sitting outside in the front yard alone, or wandering the house while adult is in the shower. There are any number of ways these things could go horribly wrong.
I just realized that POTUS stands for president of the United States. I've seen that word every so often and just assumed it was the name of a convention or place. Please forgive me, I'm Canadian.
Similar and I'm American... I always knew what it meant when written out, but it took me longer than I would like to admit that I seriously thought Potus was just the last name of the president on Veep. I felt real dumb.
I mostly can't understand why you wouldn't just pack the night before if you're flying solo the next day.
as someone who has a solo outing most everyday, I do not pack the car ahead of time. I'm not scandalized by veggiemo leaving her kids in the car for 30 seconds in her driveway or garage while she loads or unloads shit.
I am crazy scandalized by the fact that she leaves her 1 year old outside by himself while she does things inside. I am also a little uncomfortable she let's him roam free while she showers. It's not something I would do or have done. I am a very laid back parent, but common sense safety is my fucking Hill to die on.
I think the stroller thing sounds worse than it is. If you came to my house you would not be uncomfortable by where LO is, in respect to where I'm standing in the house. I promise.
And yes, he roams free in his room or living room, which are gated off and baby proofed. But anything could happen, I agree with you there. I can tell you he doesn't have access to kitchen chemicals or a set of stairs or anything like that. And it's not like I'm taking these weekday showers for 20 minutes, shaving my legs and taking my sweet time. It's in and out to wash myself. Half the time he's crying at the door, which is a pocket door that I don't slide shut all the way. I brought that example up because of the choking thing. Either of my kids could choke while I'm showering, even if they are just sleeping in their crib.
@jemomma I know you have a much larger house than me, and with more than one level. What if you have to go upstairs for 5 minutes to gather laundry or put new sheets on a bed? You don't leave your kids playing in the living area?
@jemomma I know you have a much larger house than me, and with more than one level. What if you have to go upstairs for 5 minutes to gather laundry or put new sheets on a bed? You don't leave your kids playing in the living area?
My older, yes I leave them but I take the baby with me. And again, inside your home is much much different that outside.
I was referring to the showering portion of your concerns in which the kids are indeed inside.
I think the stroller thing sounds worse than it is. If you came to my house you would not be uncomfortable by where LO is, in respect to where I'm standing in the house.
So...are you just standing in the house staring at him while he's outside? What's the fucking point. Just go outside with him. I don't get it. I just don't comprehend at all why your baby needs to go outside without you. Like in no instance do I think that would be a good logical decision.
Haha, no. I am usually putting on make-up at the mirror in the living area or buttering toast for breakfast or picking up the toys before my in-laws arrive. He asks to go outside, he wants to be out there. He cries at the door and points and so I strap in him in stroller or sometimes put him in his exersaucer and he sits out there. The point is, he likes it. Sometimes DS goes out and waters the flowers or rides his scooter and LO watches him. It's seriously no big deal to me at all. Like not even a little. I feel absolutely no safety concern for him and if I did, I wouldn't do it.
Post by periwinkledaydreams on Jul 29, 2016 13:36:39 GMT -5
My mom tells me how she used to put me outside in the yard to scream and kick and hold my breath when I was an epic tantrum having toddler. My neighbor evenually came to our door to tell my mom that I was out there throwing a fit and my mom was like yea I put her there, she'll come inside when she's over it. Even in the 80's our old ass neighbor thought my toddler self shouldn't be outside by myself, but clearly my mom thought it was just fine. Everyone and every situation is different.
Kristykristyleelee that's also a big cultural thing in Finland. It's said to be good for the babies so you'll see prams lined up outside shops even in the dead of winter. I was stunned but I'm also still stunned about the practice of giving birth in a sauna. That sounds like the seventh circle of hell to me.
My kid slept in the garage in her stroller for over an hour last week. I was upstairs in the kitchen, and had the door open so I could hear when she woke up, but still feels sort of weird to admit.
have done.
Wait a minute, I'm just seeing this. What the hell difference is this than what I do?
On what? Their spit? You could say the same thing while they were sleeping in their crib and you were doing dishes in the kitchen.
Probably no surprise but I'm with you on all this. We don't use a monitor at all actually and I think the thought of constantly listening for them choking any time and place would drive my anxiety up the wall.
Apparently an UO/FFFC based on lurking parenting: I'm voting 3rd party.
Not that it matters because Alabama is going to go solidly Trump, even if every single Democrat turned out and a good chunk of the Republicans voted Hillary.
Please vote 3rd party. H always votes 3rd party even though it obviously will not be a 3rd party winner because they need to have a certain percentage of votes (I forget exactly) in order to have money for a convention and debates, etc. that Dems and Republicans automatically get. Honestly whoever is tired of the 2 party system, the only way to change it is to vote 3rd party, even if you think you are "throwing away" your vote by doing so.
LO fell asleep when we got to the mall and I found a new store from a winery. I had several samples while she napped and I'm really looking forward to my cocoa-infused red wine!
Oh, we are beating a dead horse and releasing it. Sorry.
I wasn't aware that discussing a confession you voluntarily posted was "beating a dead horse"...again, great logic.
I'm confused. I don't think we are beating a dead horse, I would prefer to keep discussing. But based off @scoop's gif and your post, I thought you wanted to be done with it. Which is fine with me.
Wait who's acting high and mighty? Genuinely asking because I don't get that vibe from veggiemo at all
Pretty sure @scoop was referring to me. Farms are dangerous. Fortunately, farm kids are aware of that. Even as young as 4 or 5. I could obsessively follow them around and watch their every move, or I can get shit done while they follow the rules.
I'm confused. I don't think we are beating a dead horse, I would prefer to keep discussing. But based off @scoop 's gif and your post, I thought you wanted to be done with it. Which is fine with me.
.... You LITERALLY said "we're beating a dead horse and releasing it".....
..... ....
I feel like I'm being trolled right now.
Not trolling, just a miscommunication. You said YOU were releasing it (in the post with the jesus takes the wheel gif). So my comment was in response to your post.
Post by periwinkledaydreams on Jul 29, 2016 15:44:08 GMT -5
Ah I see now wegrowsheep. Yep definitely feel like there's must be a whole separate kind of rules for kids on a farm, although really no idea how I would handle it. I was very badly injured when I was 4 yo playing in the woods with my older cousins, trying to do some thing they could do but I was too small to do, and even though some were older (maybe 8ish) none of us had any idea what to do because we were kids in the woods by ourselves, and we were far away from any parents, and no one knew first aid, etc. So I was terrified bleeding in the woods while everyone panicked. I think I should not have been allowed to go out in the woods alone with them, I was too small. I get what you're saying, no way you could watch their every move and you trust theyre following the rules, but on the other hand I don't know I could feel comfortable like that. I want to to be able to know if my kid is badly injured by accident so I can help them. I feel like Id be way too scared to let a 5 and 7 year old roam all that land unsupervised. But thats not my situation.
Do you think you'd let them wander that much of you lived in a less rural, more populated area? Its a whole different set of issues and fears that come into play.
Post by periwinkledaydreams on Jul 29, 2016 16:02:48 GMT -5
I just made a giant batch of muddy buddies for no other reason besides that I had all the ingredients, and now I'm just eating all of them while I cook dinner. Well LOs eating some too.
Post by wegrowsheep on Jul 29, 2016 16:24:53 GMT -5
I'll clarify: @scoop yes, TETO. I'm not minimizing other's safety choices, just acknowledging that I could not operate our lives that way.
periwinkledaydreams I grew up here, and the ranch was 175 acres then. It was divided amongst family, and our portion is now 75+ acres. My rules growing up were: Don't go where you can't see the house, and take a dog or a gun when you go into the woods. The area the kids frequent is around the outbuildings, barns, horse and livestock corrals, nursery and greenhouses, orchards, chicken coop, main house and yard, etc. The outbuildings that contain chemicals or tools are locked 24/7, and the kids have hard rules about where they are allowed to go (not into the woods or horse pens) and what they can do. They know they could get seriously hurt or killed if they start messing around They aren't "home alone" as I'm not the only adult here (my parents are around, as well as an employee or two), but they don't have an adult "with them" all the time either. They know stranger danger (3 weeks of welcoming people onto the farm for UPick is not without added stress). They are learning how to shoot (I'm sure that's a UO, but whatever). There are plenty more things I could add.
Accidents can happen, yes. But the kids know the boundaries, and for us it works. I don't treat my nieces and nephews the same way, or our friends kids.
I don't side-eye veggiemo letting her kid have outside time, because if she thought it was unsafe she wouldn't do it.
I know people whose children have died while they were literally standing right there with them, and not on a farm. I can't control everything or take all the risks out of life without losing my damn mind.
This is a vastly different world than living in the suburbs or in an urban area, and no, they don't get to roam wild and free there.
@hazeldublin I live in an area close to wegrowsheep and there are black and grizzly bear, moose, elk and mountain lion. If we plan to go out in the actual woods it's safer if you have a gun.
Bear spray doesn't always work. H cousin forgot his gun walking in Montana and encountered a mountain lion and sprayed it in the face and it barely phased him. He survived the encounter but he would not forget his rifle again
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