@hazeldublin I live in an area close to wegrowsheep and there are black and grizzly bear, moose, elk and mountain lion. If we plan to go out in the actual woods it's safer if you have a gun.
I know what you mean. Gun culture is a completely foreign concept to me. I don't think I have even ever seen a gun. Other then on a detectives belt or on a police officer in another countries belt.
We have huge areas in America where wildlife goes head to head with people. It's a different way of life here.
Apparently an UO/FFFC based on lurking parenting: I'm voting 3rd party.
Not that it matters because Alabama is going to go solidly Trump, even if every single Democrat turned out and a good chunk of the Republicans voted Hillary.
I know most of you don't like talking politics so I'll keep this short. But voting third party to me is a vote for trump.
I voted third party for Nader during the Bush election and I saw what havoc that caused.
I have so many Muslim friends and to support Trump is supporting a racist homophobe and voting in a Supreme Court for the next 20 years that could overturn roe vs wade and any gay marriage progress.
voting third party is something that white, straight people can afford to do this election because they aren't going to be affected by trumps racist homophobic policies. This is why Trumps black vote is at less then 1 percent and his Latino vote is in the single digits.
Post by periwinkledaydreams on Jul 29, 2016 17:18:46 GMT -5
Even in our suburbs its scarily common for people to have bears turn up in their yards. My sister has them all the time, that they don't even concern her. I on the other hand would freak the eff out if a bear was in my yard. In the mountains and plains etc. there are so many wild creatures, I can absolutely get behind needing a gun there for protection. But the gun obsession is also rampant in this country, ie people in the burbs with enough guns and ammo stockpiled in their basements for a small army, and I won't even touch on human gun violence because its just too god damn awful to get into right now. I get why guns are necessary for some people, and I get why gun ownership is an UO for some people. I think the number was around 65% of elementary kids had an immediate family member been a victim of gun violence where I used to teach. Its scary.
Apparently an UO/FFFC based on lurking parenting: I'm voting 3rd party.
Not that it matters because Alabama is going to go solidly Trump, even if every single Democrat turned out and a good chunk of the Republicans voted Hillary.
I know most of you don't like talking politics so I'll keep this short. But voting third party to me is a vote for trump.
I voted third party for Nader during the Bush election and I saw what havoc that caused.
I have so many Muslim friends and to support Trump is supporting a racist homophobe and voting in a Supreme Court for the next 20 years that could overturn roe vs wade and any gay marriage progress.
voting third party is something that white, straight people can afford to do this election because they aren't going to be affected by trumps racist homophobic policies. This is why Trumps black vote is at less then 1 percent and his Latino vote is in the single digits.
The logic that "a vote for so-and-so is a vote for this other person" is so flawed I won't even go into it.
I will not vote for Hillary, because I disagree vehemently with her platform. I will not vote for Trump for the exact same reason. If I have to pick between Trump and Hillary I pick Trump for the SC nom.
So would you rather me vote for Trump, 3rd party, or not at all?
I know most of you don't like talking politics so I'll keep this short. But voting third party to me is a vote for trump.
I voted third party for Nader during the Bush election and I saw what havoc that caused.
I have so many Muslim friends and to support Trump is supporting a racist homophobe and voting in a Supreme Court for the next 20 years that could overturn roe vs wade and any gay marriage progress.
voting third party is something that white, straight people can afford to do this election because they aren't going to be affected by trumps racist homophobic policies. This is why Trumps black vote is at less then 1 percent and his Latino vote is in the single digits.
The logic that "a vote for so-and-so is a vote for this other person" is so flawed I won't even go into it.
I will not vote for Hillary, because I disagree vehemently with her platform. I will not vote for Trump for the exact same reason. If I have to pick between Trump and Hillary I pick Trump for the SC nom.
So would you rather me vote for Trump, 3rd party, or not at all?
If you were threatened deportation you would see it differently. He's an ER doctor and she is a cancer medical researcher fighting to save American lives and this jackass thinks they don't have a right to live in America. They don't have the luxury of voting third party.
After O goes to bed on Saturday night I'm going out with a friend to Barnes and Noble for the release party of Harry Potter.
I wish midnight releases were at like 2 in the afternoon (I know that sounds ridiculous.). I just can't stay up that late and have fun. I think I'm an old lady at heart.
Book 7 came out on my wedding day and my husband gave me the box set of all the books for a wedding present. Well technically he gave me a picture of the box set because it didn't come out for another 2 months. I have a special place in my heart for Harry Potter.
wegrowsheep out of curiosity why are you teaching your kids to shoot? Like for them to shoot a person? Or to shoot an animal?
Just the stranger danger sentence leading to the shooting thing led me to this question.
We are training them to hit what they're shooting at. Right now, it's a bullseye, or a hand drawn coyote. But the principles are the same. We don't ever shoot to wound an animal, even a coyote, because it's cruel. You always shoot to kill. They are far more likely to use those skills when hunting or doing a farm kill, but the county sheriff dept, as well as the county north of us, advises people in rural areas to learn how to operate a firearm because their 911 response time is often more than an hour.
Post by periwinkledaydreams on Jul 29, 2016 19:18:03 GMT -5
Our 2 party system is flawed. The electoral college and use of delegates I believe is flawed. I want to see the system changed, but unfortunately voting 3rd (or 4th or 5th or no) party in this election isn't realistically going to help accomplish that. So I prefer Jill Stein as a candidate over Hillary Clinton, but its important enough to me to help prevent a Trump presidency from becoming a reality that I'd rather cast a vote that helps accomplish that. I wish other candidates had a valid chance of success, but they just don't right now. I think we're getting closer but we're not there yet.
Post by carolyngrace on Jul 29, 2016 19:30:30 GMT -5
When I have to load up the car I let LO wander around the yard and try to stop him from felling down the steps if he gets too close. But our driveway is at the end of a dead end street in the backyard so literally no cars come back there other than ours.
I can't believe people are up in arms about kids being in a car in someone's driveway. I can think of a lot of situations, such as mine, where that would be totally safe. I think we can all determine that for ourselves.
Our 2 party system is flawed. The electoral college and use of delegates I believe is flawed. I want to see the system changed, but unfortunately voting 3rd (or 4th or 5th or no) party in this election isn't realistically going to help accomplish that. So I prefer Jill Stein as a candidate over Hillary Clinton, but its important enough to me to help prevent a Trump presidency from becoming a reality that I'd rather cast a vote that helps accomplish that. I wish other candidates had a valid chance of success, but they just don't right now. I think we're getting closer but we're not there yet.
This. I feel like people considering voting 3rd party this election are simply not as fearful of a trump presidency as I am. I would do pretty much anything to help avoid him getting elected.
Post by heartofglass on Jul 29, 2016 22:59:52 GMT -5
My cousins and I grew up in wegrowsheep's scenario. From the time I was maybe 5 I spent my days outside on my grandparents farm and in their neighbors yards. Probably a square mile or more that we roamed unsupervised (sometimes an older sibling was around). There were plenty of things that could have killed or harmed us.
We were also taught about gun safety and to shoot from that age. I had a bee bee gun at 6 and was shooting skeet with Grandaddy a few years later. The first thing we were taught was where the safety was and to never aim at another person. No one in my family has ever 'played' with a gun. It's not even an option that would go through our minds.
This all being said, my son will be taught how to use a gun. We live in bear and moose country, it's a necessity. That and it's akin to being able to drive a stick shift. I would rather him be knowledgable than clueless.
He will also be allowed to roam within limits. Right now, I won't let him out of my sight outside of the house and I'm not sure when I'll be comfortable letting him out of it. But, he was playing in the room we were constructing this week: climbing on stacks of wood, sorting nails, etc.
I think it honestly depends on how you were raised as to how comfortable you are with raising your child. It also is dependent on your environment. I would never be comfortable letting A roam around outside where we used to live.
He goes into every gas station with me if I have to and I never leave him in the car. I throw him in the carrier if I have to make multiple trips.
heartofglass letting your 1 year old sort nails is a really really bad idea. Please don't do that. But understood about everything else you are saying.
Post by ombradellarosa on Jul 30, 2016 2:30:21 GMT -5
FFFC: I know it won't do any good, but I keep arguing politics with DH's grandma. She never remembers what I say later so it's like free debate practice with no consequences. But I do get very frustrated. Today she admitted she doesn't care if something is true if she wants to believe it. Because she's entitled to her opinion. I can't with that nonsense.
Edited because typing on DH's phone does not lead to cohesion.
FFFC: I know it won't do any good, but I keep arguing politics worth DH's grandma. She never remembers what I say later so it's like free debate practice with no consequences. But I do get very frustrated. Today she admitted she doesn't care if something is true if she wants to believe it. Because she's entitled to her opinion. I can't wI think that nonsense.
I think it was last nights Daily Show where they were highlighting politicians that use the argument that things are true if enough Americans believe in it. The newscaster prevented facts to the contrary (it was about violent crime) and the politician said he would "go with what people believe because that's more important". It was Newt Gingrich I think... So infuriating.
Post by carolyngrace on Jul 30, 2016 10:30:11 GMT -5
@jemomma I agree it could affect both candidates. I'd be really curious to see some data about what percent of each major party votes third party this year. I really hope you're right about checks and balances keeping Trump in his place but the fact that he even got where he is today makes me doubt that.
This. I feel like people considering voting 3rd party this election are simply not as fearful of a trump presidency as I am. I would do pretty much anything to help avoid him getting elected.
I feel like the taking votes away from a candidate goes both ways though. As 3dimesdown said, she will either vote Trump or vote 3rd party. Third party candidates are not only taking votes away from HRC, they are also taking them away from Trump. Personally I do not see Trump ever being the winner of this election. However, if he is elected I really do not think he has the knowledge or political savvy to get any of his grand ideas through congress. The system of checks and balances exists to prevent people like Trump from putting their nut job agenda into action. I also think he would be a 1 term president, there's no way he is going to the Republican candidate again in 4 years. It's a fluke that he is even here now. What's important for me in voting third party is to have another option the next go round so we aren't stuck in this unpleasant situation again.
I agree depending on what state you reside voting third party can equal a vote for Clinton or Trump. What it won't equal is a third party president 4 years from now. History repeats itself. Nadar, Ross Perot.... Everyone passionate about change in politics should vote third party for congress and the house. if you really agree with the libertarian platform (using as an example since it's the most popular third party right now) to get rid of federal welfare (oops sorry poor children) abolish the IRS, abolish Social Security (sorry poor elderly) legalize pot etc then show passion for these issues at the grass roots level where it's more effective.
Post by ombradellarosa on Jul 31, 2016 0:46:20 GMT -5
@jemomma said it, that is what I think too. People will say that voting third party is a vote for _______ (it changes based on who is saying it, but is unrelated to actual factors like the voter's second choice, the majority in the state, and which major party candidate their chosen third party candidate is closest to in policy) but I the one thing we can be sure of is that a vote for Sanders is a vote for Sanders, a vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson, and so on.
Post by periwinkledaydreams on Jul 31, 2016 9:48:45 GMT -5
I mean factually yes, a vote for anyone is a vote for that person, pure numbers. In a state like my current state, which always goes blue, not even close at all, I think myself and many others could "safely" vote our third party choice and the state will still go blue. But in a state where it is closely divided, what people mean is that by voting third party they are essentially taking a vote away from the candidate from the major party they are most closely aligned with and would otherwise vote for, and if enough people did this they risk their state going one way or another. This is my problem with the electoral college process.. our individual votes don't actually count equally across the board. I feel like I'm just rambling at this point, I'm so disillusioned with the entire thing.
Post by periwinkledaydreams on Jul 31, 2016 12:10:40 GMT -5
@jemomma its so crazy when you look at the breakdown of the numbers of delegates and state sizes the calculations of how much each persons vote is "worth" is actually different. I just can't entirely wrap my mind around how this is fair or right. I never took the time to reall try to understand it before this election and just kind of took it for granted that "it is what it is" kind of mindset. But the more I learn the more I feel it needs to be changed.
It would be very interesting to me to see a real accurate count of people who support each candidate (totally different from who they actually vote for for all the reasons were talking about obvs).
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