Planet Fitness..

[ghostmonkey]

Mar 10, 2015 16:08:57 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:08:11 GMT -5 hippo said:

I only go in the door that is labeled with a little person in a skirt if I'm actually wearing a skirt that day.  Turns out I'm wearing pants today so I will go in the other one instead.

And that is your choice more power to you!

Thanks for proving you are a troll. Bye.

[joy]

Mar 10, 2015 16:10:31 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

 My MIL was brought up that anyone that isn't white should be avoided at all costs because they will beat you and steal from you. Sounds like that same pile of shit you are spewing against men.

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

[kingsqueen131]

Mar 10, 2015 16:06:57 GMT -5 becwheat said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:02:35 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

Now you are putting in my mouth, please don't do that. I am stating my opinion and what I am comfortable with.  If you are so comfortable with it then how come you don't change in the men's locker room?  I am raising a son I would pray that he is raised right and is a stand up guy.  I also have a dad, uncles, a fiance, and cousins that are all stand up men, not a perv bone in their body.  But when I am at the mall do I want to go in the same bathroom as my dad or the same locker room....no thank you and him being a perv is not even a question.  Would I like to live in your perfect world sure, but take a look at a newpaper or turn on the news, its there everyday, but that's what forums are for you have your view on the issue and I have mine.

I know this is not a perfect world, believe me, and my comfort level is to not change in front of males that are not family (DH, LO etc), but I know gender is not always cut and dry or penis and vagina. That is where your message gets dicey.

I think that people are misunderstanding what I said.  I am saying that if that person is now living as a woman and now has a vagina then they should be treated as a woman and equal to any other woman out there. Period.  I am not saying that said woman is not a danger, mentally stable, not crazy not a perv.  I go to public restrooms with women all the time that I do not know but they are women.  And a transgendered woman is now a woman.  I am not sure where all the other stuff came from.

[kingsqueen131]

Mar 10, 2015 16:11:36 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:08:57 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

And that is your choice more power to you!

Thanks for proving you are a troll. Bye.

Huh?

[joy]

Mar 10, 2015 16:15:15 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

I think that people are misunderstanding what I said.  I am saying that if that person is now living as a woman and now has a vagina then they should be treated as a woman and equal to any other woman out there. Period.  I am not saying that said woman is not a danger, mentally stable, not crazy not a perv.  I go to public restrooms with women all the time that I do not know but they are women.  And a transgendered woman is now a woman.  I am not sure where all the other stuff came from.

It came from that fact that you said you wouldn't share a locker room with men because men are predatory.

But if a man has decided to change genders and decided to remove his penis, then she's not a thread to you in the locker room.

Your post is so biased against men that it's frightening.

[daisy818]

Posts: 27 29 (too slow!)
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Just sayin'

[kingsqueen131]

Mar 10, 2015 16:10:31 GMT -5 ghostmonkey said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:02:35 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

Now you are putting in my mouth, please don't do that. I am stating my opinion and what I am comfortable with.  If you are so comfortable with it then how come you don't change in the men's locker room?  I am raising a son I would pray that he is raised right and is a stand up guy.  I also have a dad, uncles, a fiance, and cousins that are all stand up men, not a perv bone in their body.  But when I am at the mall do I want to go in the same bathroom as my dad or the same locker room....no thank you and him being a perv is not even a question.  Would I like to live in your perfect world sure, but take a look at a newpaper or turn on the news, its there everyday, but that's what forums are for you have your view on the issue and I have mine.

1. It's against policy and that would get my membership revoked (and in some places is subject to fines).
2. Men's locker rooms smell worse.


Stop turning this into a violence issue. You are no different the woman that raised hell and tried to incite violence over this issue already. You are trying to cause an issue where there is none because of some upbringing you had. My MIL was brought up that anyone that isn't white should be avoided at all costs because they will beat you and steal from you. Sounds like that same pile of shit you are spewing against men.

You are sexist. And sadly you will instill fear into your daughter and a right into your son that will perpetuate your sexist views.

Girl bye!  You should turn twisting words into an art form because you certainly created a masterpiece with that one!

[kingsqueen131]

Mar 10, 2015 16:17:35 GMT -5 joy said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:15:15 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

I think that people are misunderstanding what I said.  I am saying that if that person is now living as a woman and now has a vagina then they should be treated as a woman and equal to any other woman out there. Period.  I am not saying that said woman is not a danger, mentally stable, not crazy not a perv.  I go to public restrooms with women all the time that I do not know but they are women.  And a transgendered woman is now a woman.  I am not sure where all the other stuff came from.

It came from that fact that you said you wouldn't share a locker room with men because men are predatory.

But if a man has decided to change genders and decided to remove his penis, then she's not a thread to you in the locker room.

Your post is so biased against men that it's frightening.

Did not say that and if you could quote when I said that, that would be great!

[Deleted]

So what about a transgender woman that had not gone through reassignment surgery?

[becwheat]

Mar 10, 2015 16:15:15 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:06:57 GMT -5 becwheat said:

I know this is not a perfect world, believe me, and my comfort level is to not change in front of males that are not family (DH, LO etc), but I know gender is not always cut and dry or penis and vagina. That is where your message gets dicey.

I think that people are misunderstanding what I said.  I am saying that if that person is now living as a woman and now has a vagina then they should be treated as a woman and equal to any other woman out there. Period.  I am not saying that said woman is not a danger, mentally stable, not crazy not a perv.  I go to public restrooms with women all the time that I do not know but they are women.  And a transgendered woman is now a woman.  I am not sure where all the other stuff came from.

My point was she was a woman before the operation.

[joy]

Mar 10, 2015 15:40:17 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

I has a lot to do with modesty. I go to the gym and I don't change in front of women I go in the stalls and change and I for damn sure do not want to share a locker room with strange men and I do not want my daughter to share one either. It starts from childhood and works it way up. So you start out in kindergarten with your same sex bathrooms, locker rooms, then dorm rooms, etc. We are not in peaceful times and sad to say that most attacks are men on women, not women on women, or men on men. Some people cannot control themselves and those are the ones that drill holes in the locker rooms and use cameras to look under women's skirts and I am glad that they will not have an open opportunity to be a perve. But if someone is living as a woman and has had the surgery and anatomically is a woman then I think that they should be able to share the locker room with other women as well.

Here.  RIGHT FUCKING HERE.

[kingsqueen131]

Mar 10, 2015 16:18:59 GMT -5 @led said:

So what about a transgender woman that had not gone through reassignment surgery?

How would I know if they have not had surgery or not?  If they are living as a woman then I would see them as a woman would I not?

[samanthasays]

Mar 10, 2015 16:15:15 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:06:57 GMT -5 becwheat said:

I know this is not a perfect world, believe me, and my comfort level is to not change in front of males that are not family (DH, LO etc), but I know gender is not always cut and dry or penis and vagina. That is where your message gets dicey.

I think that people are misunderstanding what I said.  I am saying that if that person is now living as a woman and now has a vagina then they should be treated as a woman and equal to any other woman out there. Period.  I am not saying that said woman is not a danger, mentally stable, not crazy not a perv.  I go to public restrooms with women all the time that I do not know but they are women.  And a transgendered woman is now a woman.  I am not sure where all the other stuff came from.

Not all transgender people have a sex reassignment surgery. You may be thinking of transsexuals, but even then there are pre-op transsexuals and post-op transsexuals. A transgender person CAN be transsexual, or they may just identify as a person of the opposite sex. 

If you get confused just remember: Gender is between the ears, Sex is between the legs. But that kind of makes all your points seem even more off base, penises dont have as much power as you are crediting them with. 

[kingsqueen131]

Mar 10, 2015 16:21:52 GMT -5 joy said:

Mar 10, 2015 15:40:17 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

I has a lot to do with modesty. I go to the gym and I don't change in front of women I go in the stalls and change and I for damn sure do not want to share a locker room with strange men and I do not want my daughter to share one either. It starts from childhood and works it way up. So you start out in kindergarten with your same sex bathrooms, locker rooms, then dorm rooms, etc. We are not in peaceful times and sad to say that most attacks are men on women, not women on women, or men on men. Some people cannot control themselves and those are the ones that drill holes in the locker rooms and use cameras to look under women's skirts and I am glad that they will not have an open opportunity to be a perve. But if someone is living as a woman and has had the surgery and anatomically is a woman then I think that they should be able to share the locker room with other women as well.

Here.  RIGHT FUCKING HERE.

Some men do FUCKING do that and your point?  

[joy]

Mar 10, 2015 16:24:25 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:21:52 GMT -5 joy said:

Here.  RIGHT FUCKING HERE.

Some men do FUCKING do that and your point?  

My POINT is that you think that once a man has become a woman that they lose their predatory behavior.

You say that any man who has become a woman is welcome in your locker room.

So, to circle all the way fucking back, YOU MAKE NO SENSE.

[joy]

A better view of the entire situation would be to say: As long as the person isn't leering at me, sneaking pictures of me, or acting like a perv, I don't care who's in my locker room. Their gender has exactly zero to do with it.

[kingsqueen131]

Mar 10, 2015 16:26:59 GMT -5 joy said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:24:25 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

Some men do FUCKING do that and your point?  

My POINT is that you think that once a man has become a woman that they lose their predatory behavior.

You say that any man who has become a woman is welcome in your locker room.

So, to circle all the way fucking back, YOU MAKE NO SENSE.

I think that people are misunderstanding what I said. I am saying that if that person is now living as a woman and now has a vagina then they should be treated as a woman and equal to any other woman out there. Period. I am not saying that said woman is not a danger, mentally stable, not crazy not a perv. I go to public restrooms with women all the time that I do not know but they are women. And a transgendered woman is now a woman. I am not sure where all the other stuff came from.

[kingsqueen131]

Mar 10, 2015 16:28:34 GMT -5 joy said:

A better view of the entire situation would be to say: As long as the person isn't leering at me, sneaking pictures of me, or acting like a perv, I don't care who's in my locker room. Their gender has exactly zero to do with it.

That's your view.  Don't push that shit off on me.  Don't tell me how to feel and don't tell me what I am.  You're right gender has nothing to do with being a perv but I do not want to share locker rooms with men period.

[samanthasays]

Mar 10, 2015 16:30:01 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:26:59 GMT -5 joy said:

My POINT is that you think that once a man has become a woman that they lose their predatory behavior.

You say that any man who has become a woman is welcome in your locker room.

So, to circle all the way fucking back, YOU MAKE NO SENSE.

I think that people are misunderstanding what I said. I am saying that if that person is now living as a woman and now has a vagina then they should be treated as a woman and equal to any other woman out there. Period. I am not saying that said woman is not a danger, mentally stable, not crazy not a perv. I go to public restrooms with women all the time that I do not know but they are women. And a transgendered woman is now a woman. I am not sure where all the other stuff came from.

You are totally wrong. Not all transgender people have sex reassignment surgeries! They can still live like a woman if they were born a man, even if they still have their penis. There is so much more to gender than your genitalia.

Your ignorance is infuriating. 

[joy]

Mar 10, 2015 16:32:15 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:28:34 GMT -5 joy said:

A better view of the entire situation would be to say: As long as the person isn't leering at me, sneaking pictures of me, or acting like a perv, I don't care who's in my locker room. Their gender has exactly zero to do with it.

That's your view.  Don't push that shit off on me.  Don't tell me how to feel and don't tell me what I am.  You're right gender has nothing to do with being a perv but I do not want to share locker rooms with men period.

::sigh::

I won't push my logical views on you.  Sorry.

My point remains as this:

1. if you are in a bathroom with a pre-op, transgendered woman, then you have said that you're uncomfortable
2. if you are in a bathroom with a post-op, transgendered woman, then you feel fine.

And this is illogical.  Thanks for playing.

[mugster]

Mar 10, 2015 16:30:01 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:26:59 GMT -5 joy said:

My POINT is that you think that once a man has become a woman that they lose their predatory behavior.

You say that any man who has become a woman is welcome in your locker room.

So, to circle all the way fucking back, YOU MAKE NO SENSE.

I think that people are misunderstanding what I said. I am saying that if that person is now living as a woman and now has a vagina then they should be treated as a woman and equal to any other woman out there. Period. I am not saying that said woman is not a danger, mentally stable, not crazy not a perv. I go to public restrooms with women all the time that I do not know but they are women. And a transgendered woman is now a woman. I am not sure where all the other stuff came from.

Am I misreading this or is "said woman" the transgender woman and are you implying that she is all of those things (a danger, not mentally stable, crazy, and a perv?)

Edited for grammar...

[anonymouseliza]

Yeah, women never assault other women. I'm glad someone finally pointed out that indisputable fact!






Oh. Wait. . .

[anonymouseliza]

Let's ignore that perverts are going to be perverts whether or not there are discriminatory policies in place and whether or not we as a society choose to inclusive. Let's ignore that men aren't just waiting for a unisex changing room before becoming predators or that men who sexually assault women actively seek to do it and are not victims of circumstance.

Let's just make up shit about what we think we know about transgender and transsexual individuals. It's really much more comfortable that way.

[anonymouseliza]

Mar 10, 2015 17:10:30 GMT -5 @emilie818 said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:32:15 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

That's your view.  Don't push that shit off on me.  Don't tell me how to feel and don't tell me what I am.  You're right gender has nothing to do with being a perv but I do not want to share locker rooms with men period.

So what about the trans woman in this situation?  She is much more likely to get attacked, verbally or physically, in a men's locker room than in the women's locker room.  You are a woman and you say you have a right to be safe.  She is also a woman.  Does she not have that same right?

Apparently only if she's completed sex-reassignment surgery and has a surgically created vagina.  I mean, obviously.

(that was sarcasm)

[becwheat]

Beyonce is ripping her hair out in frustration over your lack of understanding.

[pismoduo]

Mar 10, 2015 16:30:01 GMT -5 kingsqueen131 said:

Mar 10, 2015 16:26:59 GMT -5 joy said:

My POINT is that you think that once a man has become a woman that they lose their predatory behavior.

You say that any man who has become a woman is welcome in your locker room.

So, to circle all the way fucking back, YOU MAKE NO SENSE.

I think that people are misunderstanding what I said. I am saying that if that person is now living as a woman and now has a vagina then they should be treated as a woman and equal to any other woman out there. Period. I am not saying that said woman is not a danger, mentally stable, not crazy not a perv. I go to public restrooms with women all the time that I do not know but they are women. And a transgendered woman is now a woman. I am not sure where all the other stuff came from.

Repeating the same words over and over doesn't change the fact that your words make no sense to us. You said this already - we didn't misunderstand you.

You're totally comfortable with going into a restroom or locker room with a woman who you admit might be a pervert or violently unstable. But apparently going into a restroom or locker room with a man who has the same probability of being a pervert or violently unstable is just too much.

That about sums it up, yes?

[anonymouseliza]

Can't view the link now, but it is totally irrelevant. I'm really into BDSM myself, but I'm not looking for someone to tie up at the gym; I'm there to sweat on a treadmill in air conditioning instead sweating outside. This woman was literally putting her things in a locker and another woman freaked out for no goddamned good reason.

(I know you know this, I'm just so exasperated right now.)

[cutiepatootie]

ghostmonkey Are you really saying that most heterosexual men don't find naked breasts sexually arousing?

A lot of big talk here on the internet, but I'm willing to bet that in real life if most of you were to walk into the women's change room and see a naked man, you would be at least a little bit uncomfortable.

Oh but she is a transgender woman. Okay, but how am I to know that at first glance? Oh because she says she is, okay that's cool, I trust the complete stranger.

I'm glad that most of you live in a world where you or nobody you know has ever been sexually assaulted by a man and you're totally comfortable stripping naked in front of strange men. But guess what? Some of us don't have that luxury. "Well it just as likely could have been a woman to assault you." Well it wasn't, and most sexual assaults on women are not from other women. That doesn't matter though, right? my rights don't matter. I should just not go to the gym, or public bathroom for that matter.

[Deleted]

Mar 10, 2015 19:08:42 GMT -5 cutiepatootie said:

ghostmonkey Are you really saying that most heterosexual men don't find naked breasts sexually arousing?

A lot of big talk here on the internet, but I'm willing to bet that in real life if most of you were to walk into the women's change room and see a naked man, you would be at least a little bit uncomfortable.

Oh but she is a transgender woman. Okay, but how am I to know that at first glance? Oh because she says she is, okay that's cool, I trust the complete stranger.

I'm glad that most of you live in a world where you or nobody you know has ever been sexually assaulted by a man and you're totally comfortable stripping naked in front of strange men. But guess what? Some of us don't have that luxury. "Well it just as likely could have been a woman to assault you." Well it wasn't, and most sexual assaults on women are not from other women. That doesn't matter though, right? my rights don't matter. I should just not go to the gym, or public bathroom for that matter.

The wig and makeup didn't give it away?

ETA: And the fact that she wasn't naked.

[Deleted]

Mar 10, 2015 19:14:06 GMT -5 @led said:

Mar 10, 2015 19:08:42 GMT -5 cutiepatootie said:

ghostmonkey Are you really saying that most heterosexual men don't find naked breasts sexually arousing?

A lot of big talk here on the internet, but I'm willing to bet that in real life if most of you were to walk into the women's change room and see a naked man, you would be at least a little bit uncomfortable.

Oh but she is a transgender woman. Okay, but how am I to know that at first glance? Oh because she says she is, okay that's cool, I trust the complete stranger.

I'm glad that most of you live in a world where you or nobody you know has ever been sexually assaulted by a man and you're totally comfortable stripping naked in front of strange men. But guess what? Some of us don't have that luxury. "Well it just as likely could have been a woman to assault you." Well it wasn't, and most sexual assaults on women are not from other women. That doesn't matter though, right? my rights don't matter. I should just not go to the gym, or public bathroom for that matter.

The wig and makeup didn't give it away?

ETA: And the fact that she wasn't naked.

Also, no one said we haven't been sexually assaulted. That's a big claim to make.